At the very least 3d Realms needs to drop them and disavow any support.
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Ion Fury to retain homophobic content after all
- Thread starter Biestmann
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At the very least 3d Realms needs to drop them and disavow any support.
Homophobic content is not what made that generation great. Nostalgia is not an excuse.
So yeah, I don't 'know'.
I'm at the absolute core of the audience that this release is catering to. But given the narrative around this game, this stupid joke is far from harmless.
If this really turns out to be the case then:
Way to ruin you career you dumbass.
I guess is a way to avoid any kind of responsibility if 3D Realms steps is and forces it to change it.
If they went rogue just to save face for bigots...
Doesn't make any sense. Frederich Schrieber (Sp) is the VP of 3DR, which basically consists of 3 people (Schrieber, Scott Miller, and 1 other). Fred is in the Steam forums and has made comment on this a few times.
Voidpoint may be stupid, but they aren't that stupid.
The huge surge of negative reviews came from people upset at their apology/promise to edit the game's content, etc.
It was a much higher surge than the initial review bombing which came from people upset at the content/Discord stuff.
What's the point of saying this if not to rile shit up? This whole thread is filled with 'gamers' that are wholly against this. The only reason this controversy even exists is because gamers brought it to light.
It's a nice thought, but perhaps it just goes to show that those who backtrack shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the sincerity of their apology.
User banned (permanent): concern trolling over a series of posts, account in junior phase
cen·sorship
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noun
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the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security
And worse, the scum who support homophobia and bigotry have the audacity to call those who had an issue with it "non gamers".
It's like we are willing to just let those who want to represent the worst of the gaming community take over the term.
Just maybe...
But for clarification, has Frederich replied directly to their new 'joint statement'? I haven't been able to follow the steam side of things
Because if 3DR are condoning this, that's important to know
Who was suppressing them? Nobody forced them to change it, they did it themselves.
Supression or prohibition requires outside authority.
Choosing to change your work because it's problematic is not the definition you just posted. At all.
Yeah, so like, maybe about 13 pages into the thread attached to the official announcement (the Steam update going over this) he made some commentary about people treating each other respect, basically just tone policing. I don't think he'd be doing that if he didn't know that announcement was going to take place.
edit: I was way off. Page 48:
Frederik Schreiber said:
This is attached to:
It literally doesn't fit that definition. The case for suppression is not due to obscenity, political considerations, or a threat to security.
The case for suppression is due to bullying and possible hate speech.
This wrongfully banned poster is right!
After all, when we ingest 80s throwback stuff, we always expect things like the Yellow Peril!!!
/s
Steam Review said:
Polygon said:
Also this:
I can't believe they'd be reckless enough to put that without sign-off, even with past comments in mind.
I think 3DRealms had no say on this.
Idiotic decision made by idiotic people. Maybe they should stop browsing pro-gamergate sites and certain "pro-free speech" forums.
This is gold. Stay ignorant, Voidpoint.
Idiotic decision made by idiotic people. Maybe they should stop browsing pro-gamergate sites and certain "pro-free speech" forums.
This is gold. Stay ignorant, Voidpoint.
Okay, since you asked for this, I figured that I might as well. In your five page post history you, my friend, have:
- referred to socialism as a fringe political movement (it's implemented successfully on some scale by Canada and most European countries and is mainstream in many places that aren't the US. This was your 2nd post)
- mocked Era's posting habits as being logical fallaces (This was your 13th post)
- complained about banning promotion such as Boogie (who has a history of promoting hate movements)
- talked about how wearing nazi symbols should not be a cause for violence
- complained about politics permeating the discussion on this forum (note that I'm posting these in order, so this is after you posted the above)
- posted typical not all cops rhetoric (in a topic where numerous cops are upset by an officer being held accountable for murder and refer to themselves doing similar things, and the only counterpoint is from a woman in the force who believes patriarchy within the force retains this culture)
- denied systemic racism in Hollywood casting
- decried the removal of slurs in Ion Fury as censorship
Individual posts might nott be too bad, but considering that I included about 7% of your entire posting history, I think it paints a picture. I've also skipped out at later posts in the same thread, like when you whined about how people are demonized for supporting THQ Nordic or Dragon Quest's transphobic, and I also skipped out on a bunch of your posts praising THQ Nordic, which I think are more notable considering this.
I know for a fact Friedrich agrees with the statement, I read several posts in the steam forum by him confirming it.
Oof, I wonder if they'll follow up in official channels and back voidpoint. I was kinda hoping 3DR remained innocent, but dang
I edited my post to link to it, or at least, show you how to get to the comment.
So if the going rogue-scenario is really what happened here, when can we expect a clarification from 3D Realms?
Also what will happen with the game if they really cut ties? I feel like this is an unprecedented situation.
Also what will happen with the game if they really cut ties? I feel like this is an unprecedented situation.
Ahh, good old "Webster's Dictionary defines censorship as.."
Maybe it's good that Gearbox has Duke now. Pitchford's a moron, but at least Gearbox in general seems to be pretty progressive.
Tbh I get that POV, it's not that hard to explain. While ERA is mostly made of gamers, it mostly encapsulates a small percentage of gamers that are praising progress, equality and fairness to any human beings while the rest of the internet, the majority, laughs at us using terms such as 'SJWs' 'White Knights' 'leftist' 'REEE' and whatever fucking derogative term they'll use to describe peeps wanting to be decent human beings. Those are the very same people that review bombed the game and flowed any open discussion about the game with hateful comments about the devs 'bending the knee', 'caving to the left' and 'bending', for removing a fucking texture on bottle of soap with a homophobic brand written on it.
While I consider myself a gamer because hell I love games, it is a shameful, backward and medieval community to be part of, outside of this place.
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So I'm not a fan of censorship either but projects like this are a group effort and if the group or head of the project doesn't want an aspect of it to be part of what they are putting out to the world, it's not really censorship to alter the content because it's simply put not the product they want to put out to begin with.
What would be censorship is if the game was say out there in the open in a "complete" state and then they come by and cut content. I'm still debating what exactly this whole thing counts as and I gotta say this is whole thing is, regardless of your views on the devs here, crazy to watch.
The writers of Bill & Ted have expressed regret of the homophobic slurs in their movies and won't use them in the new one. Pretty simple and easy thing to do show you've grown and respect others.
Aw man, I was only mildly interested in Ion Fury but was really looking forward to Wrath Aeon of Ruin. But there's no way I'm going to give money to 3DR now.
"Gaming's most controversial facial wash," these fuckheads. Gotta love how their statement just happens to gloss over the transphobic bullshit from devs in their Discord that actually set all of this off. The Ogay thing is sophomoric and embarrassing but this was never just about getting a label on a bottle changed.
I was at least happy to see 3DRealm's initial response (even if it was clearly them and not the devs), but yeah, all of this makes me really disappointed that I'm already beyond the refund window. This is some capitol-g Gamer bullshit that I have little desire to associate with lol
I was at least happy to see 3DRealm's initial response (even if it was clearly them and not the devs), but yeah, all of this makes me really disappointed that I'm already beyond the refund window. This is some capitol-g Gamer bullshit that I have little desire to associate with lol
Whoa there, guy!!! I have no love for the ducks but your non-duck side aren't acting any better. You must be the real duck!!!
I don't see how that's going to get through on the console ports.
Randy is a biiiig can of worms, but yeah I agree to an extent
Words are just words, they have no meaning
Stop calling me a bigot!
You're conflating criticism with censorship. Did the US government directly step in and arrest everybody at 3D Realms for their offensive jokes? No. Did 3D Realms face criticism for making an offensive joke and then respond to that criticism with their own free will? Yes.
It sounds like that will be taken off but the "Ogay" reference is staying cuz ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Of all the aspects of 90s nostalgia to stand by, they chose the cringey, homophobic "edgey 12yo boy" humor?
They can have fun not taking my money I guess.
They can have fun not taking my money I guess.
hey
go buy Dusk instead
it fucking rules
"things have gone wrong"
go buy Dusk instead
it fucking rules
"things have gone wrong"
"very wrong"
"better kill everything"