I've heard 8k would be helpful for VR, but then you also need very high framerates, so it's gonna be a while on that front too.
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Is there a need to go higher than 4k?
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My s3inch 1080p 144 Hz monitor is really smooth, and looks great. Can hit all games max settings with this res.
I'm probably going to have to get a 4k monitor for work purposes, but I'd much prefer a 1440 144 Hz.
Until 4k lets me have: 144 Hz, max settings, FPs in the 100 range at least... I'm not interested.
I'm probably going to have to get a 4k monitor for work purposes, but I'd much prefer a 1440 144 Hz.
Until 4k lets me have: 144 Hz, max settings, FPs in the 100 range at least... I'm not interested.
Yes, for people that have the space and viewing angle to buy a 55"/65"/75" TV that will exceed the noticeable pixel difference that a similar 4K TV has.
For people with spaces that only allow for TVs smaller than that, we are maybe a decade away from video cards being able to render 8K/60 graphics, so no.
For people with spaces that only allow for TVs smaller than that, we are maybe a decade away from video cards being able to render 8K/60 graphics, so no.
I am sure we will see 8K soon and everything, but it already feels very difficult to make the most out of 4K so I doubt we will see anything higher for a while. At least anything higher with a serious adoption rate.
Yeah I'd prefer if they worked on Hz too. Took me forever to realize why I preferred my monitor to our 4k tv.
But I'm also not a sucker for visuals like that
I already have problems seeing the difference between 1080p and 2160p from 1.5 meter away from a 55" tv and I have 20/20 vision.
So what I'd like, at least for games, is to stop at 4k for now and develop the graphics details and performance instead.. 4k/120 fps would be cool :)
There is one exception though.. VR
It can benefit from far higher resolutions than normal TVs..
I'm actually not certain what to answer in the poll.
So what I'd like, at least for games, is to stop at 4k for now and develop the graphics details and performance instead.. 4k/120 fps would be cool :)
There is one exception though.. VR
It can benefit from far higher resolutions than normal TVs..
I'm actually not certain what to answer in the poll.
I think 16k will be fine. 4k without good AA is not clean enough. Most AA make the image blurry. I need it as clear as possible.
There's still enough aliasing on 4k that I will be happy when we can go higher, but it is definitely a matter of diminishing returns.
Resolutions will continue to go up but as for whether I think we need them anytime soon no. We can't even get 1080P/60FPS on consoles reliably yet so I'd rather we continue to push FPS and other areas and just stick with 4K as the max for quite some time.
Click bait title, but it does a good job of showing why 4k is a bit needless for gaming right now unless you're really into those extra pixels over other aspects.
Yep, the above video shows why I'm not excited for it atm. I think many players would appreciate the extra Hz without really understanding why, too.
Yep, the above video shows why I'm not excited for it atm. I think many players would appreciate the extra Hz without really understanding why, too.
When you own a 150'' screen and sit 2 meters tops away from it, yes. Otherwise (and in regards and relation to the needed performance) ppi is (at common viewing distance) high enough with 4k and it's almost impossible to distinguish 80ppi (4k @ 55 inch TV) from 160ppi when sitting 2 meters (or even further) away.
I always found the PS3/360 era blurry on my screens. 720p was never enough (for me). Also, leaps in increased image quality via resolution are getting exponential smaller while performance demands rise almost linear. It's a loosing game and I don't think we get the same resolution increase we got over the last two decades.
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This. 4K is nice if you have a projector screen but 1080p is plenty enough on a regular sized TV unless you sit really close. I think the power should be used for better image quality and framerates instead. My PC is still 1080p and it's not like games on the X looks better just because they're 4K.
the vast majority of digitally-shot movies are mastered at 1080p, or if they're shot on film the scan will usually be around 4K. most movie theater projectors are 1080p.
i've seen a lot of 8K TVs. they're nice when you stand real close. but this discussion has to start with the inarguable fact that even the most expensive movies in the world aren't going to be filmed in 8K in the foreseeable future.
4K is already asking a lot for workflows, and most directors/studios shooting digital don't think the tradeoff is worth it yet. now when you consider the extra processing load that 8K would place on gaming hardware, and the extremely marginal benefit you'd get on all but the largest of screens? it's a pointless pipe dream.
if 8K is ever a thing for video games it will be because it'll otherwise be too expensive to make proper use of more powerful hardware with better effects, assets, world-building and so on. maybe we'll get to a point where it's untenable to spend more but the GPU power will be there, so at that point we can just spit out more pixels. but it isn't something anyone should get particularly excited about unless they're planning on building a house out of TVs, and those people certainly shouldn't hold their breath for much video content either.
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The constant race towards higher and higher resolutions for TVs kind of rub me the wrong way.
First, oh yeah it sure can be nice, but is it really necessary for those res to be pushed to the mainstream? Except for very specific use cases – like maybe huge screens and VR – to me that's a solid "no". The return on investment becomes very low...
Second (and for me the most important point), each time there's a bump in TV resolution it impacts the picture integrity of all of the lower resolution mediums you play on it. That huge DVD and blu-ray collection you have? Those older game consoles? They will inevitably look worst than they did before. No amount of technology TV manufacturers put in there to smooth things out will change the fact that you cannot retain 100% display integrity of lower res media being played on a fixed resolution screen. The max that can be done is throw tech at the problem to have the picture look close to its original resolution. But the end result will always be a picture that is different than what it's supposed to be.
First, oh yeah it sure can be nice, but is it really necessary for those res to be pushed to the mainstream? Except for very specific use cases – like maybe huge screens and VR – to me that's a solid "no". The return on investment becomes very low...
Second (and for me the most important point), each time there's a bump in TV resolution it impacts the picture integrity of all of the lower resolution mediums you play on it. That huge DVD and blu-ray collection you have? Those older game consoles? They will inevitably look worst than they did before. No amount of technology TV manufacturers put in there to smooth things out will change the fact that you cannot retain 100% display integrity of lower res media being played on a fixed resolution screen. The max that can be done is throw tech at the problem to have the picture look close to its original resolution. But the end result will always be a picture that is different than what it's supposed to be.
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While larger screen sizes do benefit from higher resolutions, I think that tv size is big enough for it to not really matter for now. In fact, I wonder how many years or decades until 70-80" tv's become mainstream.
going above 4k on anything less than that is diminishing returns. From what I've seen anyway.
going above 4k on anything less than that is diminishing returns. From what I've seen anyway.
Lol @ the constant race.
We've gone from 720p to 1080p to 4K in like 14 years? That's almost one upgrade every 5 years... right... "constant" upgrading.
Just because you're cool with decade old tech and resolution doesn't mean we should be too. To your second point, buy a good TV for once and you'll have some decent upscaling.
Man, what sort of setup would someone need to run 8k VR with least 60fps(preferably 120fps+) locked for AAA games? Even with rendering saving techniques, that'll be one beast of a rig. It's coming for sure and really exciting.
Seems like the limiting factor, soon, will be the size of peoples' living rooms or spaces. Im bot sure what 8k would look like in my living space.
8k takes you into the realm of photorealistic video walls ala Total Recall. Combined with Micro LED scalability you are going to have a versatile video area to suit different playing sizes, aspect ratios etc. Beyond 8k I don't see any advantage unless for specialist things like 8k glassless 3d.
However your broadly right that the industry is going to struggle to market any benefits in the short term; hence the development of things like HDR and RTX.
However your broadly right that the industry is going to struggle to market any benefits in the short term; hence the development of things like HDR and RTX.
I'm just saying I think investments in TV tech could have greater returns in other areas than resolution. And I have a great 4k TV that does wonderful upscaling thank you very much. But my point still stand. And that's only my opinion on something I noted across the years. I am perfectly ok with people that do enjoy that increase in resolution. I wasn't attacking your beliefs or anything.
I have a 75" 4K TV and its enough resolution wise, I want a bigger screen though. Hard to find price worthy stuff over 82" where I live sadly.
When a 90"+ screen which is affordable comes I'll buy it, don't care about if its 4K or 8K
When a 90"+ screen which is affordable comes I'll buy it, don't care about if its 4K or 8K
In the short term, going above 4k will indeed be largely pointless, as the content pipelines just aren't going to be there.
Longer term, TVs get big enough that higher resolution would make sense, and the dearth of content won't last forever.
When we get that point though, it'd be real great if nearest neighbor scaling became a standard option, though. Even 4k has plenty of perfect integer scaling opportunities.
Longer term, TVs get big enough that higher resolution would make sense, and the dearth of content won't last forever.
When we get that point though, it'd be real great if nearest neighbor scaling became a standard option, though. Even 4k has plenty of perfect integer scaling opportunities.
Can't wait to change my tv and consoles every 5 years to play 20 FPS games in 8K and 16K and 32 K....
I also hope they will keep the font size of UI in games the same - I think reading mission objectives in a 4 point font will be a must in 2028. I mean text is already small in monster hunter world, but if I get close to the screen I can still read it.
Besides, I like giving all my savings to big tech companies. It's my hobby.
I also hope they will keep the font size of UI in games the same - I think reading mission objectives in a 4 point font will be a must in 2028. I mean text is already small in monster hunter world, but if I get close to the screen I can still read it.
Besides, I like giving all my savings to big tech companies. It's my hobby.
Not for me. I'm still in 1080p with our two 55" TVs and in no hurry to upgrade. It's just not a huge difference in our space/viewing distance and there's a lack of content since most of our screen time is sports and shows on cable. There's some streaming content of course, but we have a 1TB cap we already have to keep an eye on without 4K streams.
The way I see it, 4K is only really useful when the screen is right up in your face. For most people's gaming situation 1080p is probably fine. I'm disappointed this horsepower race isn't going into better performance at 1080p :/
Although 4K is great for VR, which I love, so I'm cool with 4K getting used to make cheaper screens, I suppose.
Although 4K is great for VR, which I love, so I'm cool with 4K getting used to make cheaper screens, I suppose.