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Is this Paz Ortega Ground Zeroes reference in Smash Ultimate accidental or on purpose
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Donkey Kong is actually the final fight in Punch-Out!! Wii, so I imagine it was intended to be a reference to that.
That said, Sakurai clearly didn't think it through. That is very in bad taste.
It's dark humor, what do you expect? I didnt mind because it's such a simple reference.
Not even a bit offended by the spirit description.
What are the chances Sakurai even knows about that one though? That bit of lore was inferred, the main bomb was in her stomach (the one we see being removed) and then she says there's "another" but it's never explicitly said- it's an obscure thing and most people playing would never have picked up on the other bomb being in her vagina. It's only well known here because we are an enthusiast forums and word gets around.
It's true, we don't know if Sakurai actually played the games and he could've just been handed a vague reference in note form. As for your second point, I wouldn't call it obscure, anyone who played the game would've figured it out. There's only so many ways you can interpret "There's another... in my..." followed by Snake looking down at her crotch and then back up shocked.
Oh they knew exactly what they were doing.
Kids who play the game aren't gonna pick up on it. It's an (extremely dark) inside joke for Metal Gear fans. That's all.
Kids who play the game aren't gonna pick up on it. It's an (extremely dark) inside joke for Metal Gear fans. That's all.
What people think is funny is the existence of this reference.
No one thinks that the actual event that its referring to is funny.
You should learn the difference.
Also you're focusing way too much on the rape/ and sexual abuse aspect of the reffered instance. The reference would stay the same even if she didn't get the bomb inserted into her via her vagina.
I think it's a problematic reference. They could've done something else, but they chose instead to do this. I think they made a wrong decision. I'm not expecting it to be changed, but I will still criticise it.
It really seems like when viewed in the context of the fight with her spirit, it's referencing the Peace Walker final boss more than anything else...
It's gamers. Misogyny and "lol, rape, no biggie" is par for the course.
Btw it could also be referencing PW ending, where she steals a nuke and fights you in a metal gear.
Most Metal Gear's spirit fights feature a giant Rob acting as a metal gear.
Most Metal Gear's spirit fights feature a giant Rob acting as a metal gear.
Wait, what? I always thought they cut her stomach open and forced the bomb inside her intestines.
People aren't finding rape funny, they're finding the fact a character violently killed by a bomb grants the player a bomb. It's more Douglas Adams or Terry Pratchett than "lmao misogyny".
I know that. But I must have missed the part where they forced the second bomb through her vagina. I've always thought they were both hidden inside her stomach.
That's what everyone remembers though, because holy shit.
Excellent reference imo, I was cracking up.
What in the fuck did I just read? All of this happens?
If so wow. Kojima is embarassing.
Donkey Kong is the final opponent in Punchout Wii. That's why he was chosen for that spirit.
Paz is an entirely fictional person in a fictional scenario. Stupid writing by a man with unhealthy views of women should definitely not be taken seriously.
They hella did that on purpose.
The majority of that is left vague as hell, but it's clear from context that this is pretty much what happens.
Really shouldn't be concerned about that at all as DK has history with Little Mac/Punch Out and was the final boss in the Wii version.
Y'all really looking for shit with these spirits
I found Paz treatment in Ground Zeroes to be absolutely horrific and it still upsets me to this day, but it doesn't make it being referenced in a Smash Bros game any less funny. It's not the Ground Zeroes event that are funny, it's the fact that such event are referenced in a Smash game, and in such a way (a fucking bob-omb!). And it's not ha ha funny, it's just shocking. I really feel like this is obvious, but since I'm seeing people already coming out with the old "gamers, what did I expect" might as well spell it out.
...I mean that's what Kojima was going for...? He famously said that the game would tackle many taboos, subject matter would be grim and that there was a risk it wouldn't even release at all. Too bad the execution was fucking horrible aye?
I think many here are being offended by something that is not even clear yet. I forgot how on the internet of today is impossible to say anything without offending someone, someway. Just relax, investigate a bit more before taking the pitchforks out lol.
This has to be one of the most beautifully fucked up references I've ever seen. And in Smash of all things. Goddamn.
It's basically just like the Lost meme in that regard. It's not the subject matter that is funny, it's the context behind its use that is funny.
Kinda gross tbh, even if they were referencing the stomach bomb and not the other one.
I almost feel like Japanese game devs are too removed from what the global society thinks is acceptable so then we get tone deaf stuff like this.
I almost feel like Japanese game devs are too removed from what the global society thinks is acceptable so then we get tone deaf stuff like this.
Obviously intentional and it's a shame to see willfully controversial Kojima idiocy pop up in a Nintendo game.
Children won't get it, until they read game websites that explain it, or watch a youtuber who explains or references it or one of their friends does and then explains it to everyone in their peer group who has the game.
I guess what I'm saying is kids will get it and it would be naive to think otherwise.
Children won't get it, until they read game websites that explain it, or watch a youtuber who explains or references it or one of their friends does and then explains it to everyone in their peer group who has the game.
I guess what I'm saying is kids will get it and it would be naive to think otherwise.
It's a huge stretch to say this reference is making fun of the vagina bomb or rape or anything like that. Yeah, that's all relevant to the events of Ground Zeroes, but all this references is that she died from a bomb that was unknowingly placed inside of her. It would be the same if they made a spirit from that guy who had the bomb placed inside of him in The Dark Knight. As for why people find it so funny, it's because that super dark situation is juxtaposed with the cutesy world of Smash Bros. It's more due to the shock of it than anything else.
Even "gamers" don't find the situation Paz went through funny, so it's a little disingenuous to get up in arms about people not approaching this with the utmost gravitas. I do think what happened to Paz was an example of Kojima "going too far in a few places", but that's on him.
Even "gamers" don't find the situation Paz went through funny, so it's a little disingenuous to get up in arms about people not approaching this with the utmost gravitas. I do think what happened to Paz was an example of Kojima "going too far in a few places", but that's on him.
It's great subtle dark joke that works only for those who are aware of context, and invisible for kids. Just like those jokes in Pixar films.
Exactly this, but apparenlty you can't use black humor without offending someone. There will be controversy about it, Kotaku would write article with title "SHOCKING VAGINA BOMB REFERENCE IN NEW SMASH", and this joke will be patched out. Another huge win for videogame culture.
Exactly this, but apparenlty you can't use black humor without offending someone. There will be controversy about it, Kotaku would write article with title "SHOCKING VAGINA BOMB REFERENCE IN NEW SMASH", and this joke will be patched out. Another huge win for videogame culture.