Donkey Kong is actually the final fight in Punch-Out!! Wii, so I imagine it was intended to be a reference to that.Mr Sandman is black and, well, Donkey Kong is a monkey.
I'm sure it's innocent on their part, but, yeah...that's a racial slur in a lot of the world.
It's dark humor, what do you expect? I didnt mind because it's such a simple reference.
It's true, we don't know if Sakurai actually played the games and he could've just been handed a vague reference in note form. As for your second point, I wouldn't call it obscure, anyone who played the game would've figured it out. There's only so many ways you can interpret "There's another... in my..." followed by Snake looking down at her crotch and then back up shocked.What are the chances Sakurai even knows about that one though? That bit of lore was inferred, the main bomb was in her stomach (the one we see being removed) and then she says there's "another" but it's never explicitly said- it's an obscure thing and most people playing would never have picked up on the other bomb being in her vagina. It's only well known here because we are an enthusiast forums and word gets around.
You should bench press 200 lbs and get a man fired!So, let me get this straight. Nintendo decided to reference a character having a bomb forced up her vagina (after being tortured, gang raped, having her child friend forced to rape her, and never mind the fact that she then tried to rape the same boy on her own later because Kojima) and people think it's hilarious and shouldn't be changed? The fuck is going on here?
Is this some reference I'm not getting?
So, let me get this straight. Nintendo decided to reference a character having a bomb forced up her vagina (after being tortured, gang raped, having her child friend forced to rape her, and never mind the fact that she then tried to rape the same boy on her own later because Kojima) and people think it's hilarious and shouldn't be changed? The fuck is going on here?
I think it's a problematic reference. They could've done something else, but they chose instead to do this. I think they made a wrong decision. I'm not expecting it to be changed, but I will still criticise it.What people think is funny is the existence of this reference.
No one thinks that the actual event that its referring to is funny.
You should learn the difference.
Also you're focusing way too much on the rape/ and sexual abuse aspect of the reffered instance. The reference would stay the same even if she didn't get the bomb inserted into her via her vagina.
So, let me get this straight. Nintendo decided to reference a character having a bomb forced up her vagina (after being tortured, gang raped, having her child friend forced to rape her, and never mind the fact that she then tried to rape the same boy on her own later because Kojima) and people think it's hilarious and shouldn't be changed? The fuck is going on here?
So, let me get this straight. Nintendo decided to reference a character having a bomb forced up her vagina (after being tortured, gang raped, having her child friend forced to rape her, and never mind the fact that she then tried to rape the same boy on her own later because Kojima) and people think it's hilarious and shouldn't be changed? The fuck is going on here?
Wait, what? I always thought they cut her stomach open and forced the bomb inside her intestines.
That was the one they found.Wait, what? I always thought they cut her stomach open and forced the bomb inside her intestines.
People aren't finding rape funny, they're finding the fact a character violently killed by a bomb grants the player a bomb. It's more Douglas Adams or Terry Pratchett than "lmao misogyny".It's gamers. Misogyny and "lol, rape, no biggie" is par for the course.
I know that. But I must have missed the part where they forced the second bomb through her vagina. I've always thought they were both hidden inside her stomach.
That's what everyone remembers though, because holy shit.Can't they make nods about her being an agent of peace ? That's not the only thing that defines her
So, let me get this straight. Nintendo decided to reference a character having a bomb forced up her vagina (after being tortured, gang raped, having her child friend forced to rape her, and never mind the fact that she then tried to rape the same boy on her own later because Kojima) and people think it's hilarious and shouldn't be changed? The fuck is going on here?
Mr Sandman is black and, well, Donkey Kong is a monkey.
I'm sure it's innocent on their part, but, yeah...that's a racial slur in a lot of the world.
It's gamers. Misogyny and "lol, rape, no biggie" is par for the course.
The majority of that is left vague as hell, but it's clear from context that this is pretty much what happens.What in the fuck did I just read? All of this happens?
If so wow. Kojima is embarassing.
Really shouldn't be concerned about that at all as DK has history with Little Mac/Punch Out and was the final boss in the Wii version.It's on purpose, obviously, and very, very funny. It's the Mr Sandman from Punch Out/Donkey Kong WoL battle that you guys should probably be more concerned about.
...I mean that's what Kojima was going for...? He famously said that the game would tackle many taboos, subject matter would be grim and that there was a risk it wouldn't even release at all. Too bad the execution was fucking horrible aye?
During a round table interview in February 2013, Hideo Kojima spoke about how Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes may be too taboo heavy and deal with such grim subject matter that he may not be able to get it published, and even if it does get published, it may not sell.
Hideo Kojima: "I'm going to be targeting a lot of taboos, a lot of mature themes that really are quite risky,"
"I'm not even sure if I'm going to be able to release the game, and even if I did release the game then maybe it wouldn't sell because it's too much. As a creator I want to take that risk."
"Video games as a medium haven't matured very much at all in the last 25 years," Kojima explained. "It's always about killing aliens and zombies. Not that I don't like those kinds of games... they are fun, but I think games have a long way to go before they can mature."
"Over the past 25 years I have tried to work with the Metal Gear series to introduce more mature themes, but really it hasn't gotten there yet. Compared to movies and books it still has a long way to go... That's precisely what I want to try to tackle with Ground Zeroes."
"I'm approaching the project as a creator and prioritising creativity over sales"
I found Paz treatment in Ground Zeroes to be absolutely horrific and it still upsets me to this day, but it doesn't make it being referenced in a Smash Bros game any less funny. It's not the Ground Zeroes event that are funny, it's the fact that such event are referenced in a Smash game, and in such a way (a fucking bob-omb!). And it's not ha ha funny, it's just shocking. I really feel like this is obvious, but since I'm seeing people already coming out with the old "gamers, what did I expect" might as well spell it out.
What part of it isn't clear?I think many here are being offended by something that is not even clear yet. I forgot how on the internet of today is impossible to say anything without offending someone, someway. Just relax, investigate a bit more before taking the pitchforks out lol.
People aren't finding rape funny, they're finding the fact a character violently killed by a bomb grants the player a bomb. It's more Douglas Adams or Terry Pratchett than "lmao misogyny".