I properly explained my point, so I suggest reading again because I don't think my non-native English is in the way of getting my point across this time.
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Kotaku UK: Shut The Hell Up, Deacon
- Thread starter Eolz
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The counter argument of "I dont like silent protagonists" is bullshit because not every thought needs to be said out loud by the main character. When you go to the grocery store, you sure as hell aren't talking out loud about everything you're taking off of the shelf to buy.
I think it's overdone, but the frequency is fine; it's more that Deacon has two or three emotional levels, and in cutscenes we almost never see the level of unhinged he routinely gets to during gameplay. I wouldn't call it bad, exactly, but there is a disconnect between the behaviour he displays in the various parts of the game.
But I can also see a justification for it: in gameplay he's alone. In cutscenes he's usually not, and generally he's with people he can't or wouldn't be openly hostile to. The one exception I've run into so far, he approaches that level of unhinged.
But I can also see a justification for it: in gameplay he's alone. In cutscenes he's usually not, and generally he's with people he can't or wouldn't be openly hostile to. The one exception I've run into so far, he approaches that level of unhinged.
Like I guess I get what your saying but this is a really stupid comparison because when you're at a grocery story you're in your own head thinking not you know controlling a fake person on a TV screen lol
it is overdone, one could argue it is because he is crazy or insane or whatever but i don´t think that this was the intention at all because the cutscenes don´t support this theory. he is another person there. and i don´t think he is schizophrenic because that would also need some support in the cutscenes to make it really believable.
it is especially hilarious when he screams while sneaking around in a camp. in general, i don´t like babbling protagonists at all, it was annoying in Tomb Raider, it was annoying in Horizon and it is annoying in Days Gone.
it is especially hilarious when he screams while sneaking around in a camp. in general, i don´t like babbling protagonists at all, it was annoying in Tomb Raider, it was annoying in Horizon and it is annoying in Days Gone.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/days-gone-has-a-little-spec-ops-the-line-us-gamer-article.114902/
There is a ludonarrative dissonance but psychotic Deacon sounds more interesting.
I don't know about the execution but NOT TODAY COPELAND sounds like a great line 😆
But games arent deep. At all. We dont need to hear some thoughts about generic themes like parent-child relationships or zombies.
but they can be? And they should try to say something more beyond gameplay loops. Thematic elements tied to gameplay and characters , when done right are fantastic and enrich the whole experience .
Did it.I took a while to realise this was about Days Gone's Deacon St John, and not Queen in the recording studio. "Shut up John Deacon!"
Will always come down on the side of quieter protagonists especially those you have to spend a long time travelling with.
On the contraire, I do myself and everything tell me I'm abnormal. So, why can't I do but a random video game character can?
Funny thing:
So... No! You can talk anytime you want, Deacon!
When Deacon found Sarah, he stops talking to himself. I realized that his thoughts filled the silence, and I missed it... I was very attached to the character at that point.
So... No! You can talk anytime you want, Deacon!
Not sure I understand you.
Are you saying people are telling you that you are not normal because you talk to yourself? These people are full of shit.
Basically all of this. It's annoying as hell and comically overdone. I lost track of the number of times I missed recordings and stuff because Deacon was screaming over them, while I was stealthing around. In another thread, I called Deacon one of the worst characters this gen - this is part of the reason why.
Deacon's pretty damn hilarious, imho, so I'm cool with his constant comments and mutterings,
I think it isn't that he says stuff it's the way he says it, sometimes he just yells out dialogue while he's killing people and he comes across as even more insane than the rippers. Though come to think of it that's probably what they were trying to convey anyway.
Yeah, no. I fucking hate it when characters don't talk and end up being like some sort of division shit where your character is just a robot. I want my characters to have personality and a voice.
Deacon is a trash tier character (as well as every other character in this game), and I agree, he talks way too much and the delivery is... not good. So awkward, predictable and done to death. That unearned "somber song #14" bike ride with Bulldozer or w/e the fuck his name is was cringe.
I like the game though, the sandbox and open world is nice actually. Mechanics get better and feel tighter as you get better weapons and such. Def. gonna beat it, but the characters and narrative are piss poor compared to every other Sony 1P game.
I like the game though, the sandbox and open world is nice actually. Mechanics get better and feel tighter as you get better weapons and such. Def. gonna beat it, but the characters and narrative are piss poor compared to every other Sony 1P game.
This. I'm reading these comments about how some are annoyed at Aloy or deacon's constant rambling and how it breaks immersion or what and I'm just ??? Like a silent android who doesn't say or react to anything is not immersion breaking? I like it when my characters talk.... shows they have personality.
people dont complain as much about nathan drake, geralt, joel or AC protagonists and they talk a lot and have very defined characters ,but theres a balance, a middle ground compared to nearly non stop commenting on shit in DG and HZD. It is only an issue if the execution is spotty at best. In this thread I only saw one or two people preferring silent protagonist , the other who agree with the article or in general want a middle ground and better writing/va whatever.
I enjoy it to it sort of adds to the desolate atmosphere and since you cannot read his thoughts having verbal ones make sense
Why must a character either talk non stop or be completely silent! It's such a straw man that people who dislike highly yappy characters want their character to say nothing at all. I want my character to say things I just don't want a motormouth.
They do actually.
You can find them hunting animals or going for a drink or even sleeping.
Love the game and actually like Deacons rumblings, but man the voice/radio play is super fucked up in this game.
One of it's biggest flaws.
It's almost as Bend didn't have enough time left to actually place the audio in the right situations.
One of it's biggest flaws.
It's almost as Bend didn't have enough time left to actually place the audio in the right situations.
I could never enjoy the GBA Mario rereleases because of the added voices.
Also you don't know how obnoxious a tag-along character can be until you've played Puppeteer. The main character being completely silent in that game isn't even a blessing because that thing that follows you for the whole game talks enough for an entire cast, and never utters a phrase that's not supremely annoying at the best of times.
You can tell who actually read the article based on their comments. People do realize that there is a middle ground from non-stop talking and Silent Protagonist.
There's no disconnect. Characters even comment on his bloodlust and unhinged thrill at killing Rippers, bandits, and freakers. He just don't show that around people, and his commentary and behavior around others makes it pretty clear that he's deliberately trying to be calm around them. It shows in how awkward he is or how he'll have aggressive violent moments like pulling a gun on people he's trying to ask for help
I don't think they pull it off nearly as effectively as you're making it sound here, mainly because the combat/exploration-dialogue is way overdone for my tastes. But I also wasn't a fan of Aloy commenting on every single thing.
There's actually a loading screen tip that says wolves hunt in packs. Not sure if it was an intended reference, but it stood out to me because I love Dragon's Dogma.
