Seriously though, as soon as she won South Carolina by nearly 50%, it was clear to almost everyone. 2008 dragged on well into April and May.It wasn't. Clinton had the nom effectively locked 4 states in.
2008 was what a close race looks like.
Seriously though, as soon as she won South Carolina by nearly 50%, it was clear to almost everyone. 2008 dragged on well into April and May.It wasn't. Clinton had the nom effectively locked 4 states in.
2008 was what a close race looks like.
As an immigrant and the son of immigrants, these are the kind of posts that made me hesitant to support Bernie.
You do not need to belittle other issues to promote medicare for all.
Clinton did more than have the most delegates. She secured a majority of delegates necessary to make her the presumptive nominee. Something Sanders likely won't do in 2020. Sanders' campaign also floated the idea of using superdelegates to win the nomination if Clinton didn't secure the majority.I get why people rhetorically feel the need to bring it up, but yeah, Bernie dropped out and endorsed Hillary, who had the most delegates. And candidates this time should do the same.
They aren't belittling other issues at all, where are you getting that from?As an immigrant and the son of immigrants, these are the kind of posts that made me hesitant to support Bernie.
You do not need to belittle other issues to promote medicare for all.
I think you underestimate how much sway Trump still holds. There is only one candidate with enough momentum behind him to beat Trump and it's Sanders.I legitimately believe that any Dem candidate will easily beat Trump come Election Day, except Bloomberg.
I think what they're saying is they don't want yet another milquetoast centrist that is going to do the bare minimum to not rock the boat. Because that doesn't really work out for a lot of people anymore.People say they want the good Proportional Representation, but they really want the bad First Past The Post, apparently.
I think he's saying that people's opinions on how elections should be run and the role of superdelegates change based on who the frontrunner is.I think what they're saying is they don't want yet another milquetoast centrist that is going to do the bare minimum to not rock the boat. Because that doesn't really work out for a lot of people anymore.
I'm sorry, I overreacted. I'm sick of a lot of the leftist discourse online, but at the end of the day, most of these people want the same things I do.That wasn't my intention, was just trying to show how some in the media are being really two faced towards a potential nominee, but in the future I will keep immigration reform and M4A separate, asides for also wanting M4A to be available to immigrants.
popular vote sure, shame that doesn't really matterI legitimately believe that any Dem candidate will easily beat Trump come Election Day, except Bloomberg.
Right. But Bernie would be hypothetically wrong to think that way and so are these candidates. like Bernie was wrong to make that comment in 2016 - he isn't retroactively vindicated because other candidates have similar ideas or vice versa.Clinton did more than have the most delegates. She secured a majority of delegates necessary to make her the presumptive nominee. Something Sanders likely won't do in 2020. Sanders' campaign also floated the idea of using superdelegates to win the nomination if Clinton didn't secure the majority.
Clinton secures majority of pledged delegates
“I really wish my mother could be here tonight," said Clinton.www.politico.com
Just face it. If Bernie Sanders was not the likely candidate to come out of this contest with the most votes or delegates, Bernie Sanders would have given the same answer as every person on that stage.
I legitimately believe that any Dem candidate will easily beat Trump come Election Day, except Bloomberg.
I think your overreating here. He was comparing and contrasting responses in the media not necessarily making a judgment about either one.As an immigrant and the son of immigrants, these are the kind of posts that made me hesitant to support Bernie.
You do not need to belittle other issues to promote medicare for all.
Enjoy this oneAny highlights I can watch? I missed the debate because life is cruel.
Probably. But a primary race is different than a general election process also. I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking that if a person was clearly in front, but maybe not an absolute majority (nearly impossible anyway with so many people running), then yes, that person should be pushed over the edge. The only issue comes into play is if 1st and 2nd are very close.I think he's saying that people's opinions on how elections should be run and the role of superdelegates change based on who the frontrunner is.
This.I think he's saying that people's opinions on how elections should be run and the role of superdelegates change based on who the frontrunner is.
Man, must we loop Garbodor in with that crowd? Did Garbodor ask to be born as garbage? At least Weinstein and Dubya had some agency to determine whether they would be a festering trash heap or not. Garbodor had that choice thrust upon it from its early days as a little Trubbish.so
can all of us on Era -- no matter who we back, have backed, or will back in this race -- call a truce for 24 hours and agree that Mike Bloomberg is an unmitigated piece of shit who shouldn't sniff the nomination because he is, in fact, the metaphorical bastard child of Droopy, Harvey Weinstein, George W. Bush, and Garbodor from Pokemon Black/White?
Bernie was wrong in 16. He is right in 2020, the current year. If things were different and he said otherwise then we would be saying he is wrong. Lets focus on the fact that its wrong to have a system in place that ignores the will of the people.Clinton did more than have the most delegates. She secured a majority of delegates necessary to make her the presumptive nominee. Something Sanders likely won't do in 2020. Sanders' campaign also floated the idea of using superdelegates to win the nomination if Clinton didn't secure the majority.
Clinton secures majority of pledged delegates
“I really wish my mother could be here tonight," said Clinton.www.politico.com
Just face it. If Bernie Sanders was not the likely candidate to come out of this contest with the most votes or delegates, Bernie Sanders would have given the same answer as every person on that stage.
Thats the downside of being the smartest person in the room on a topic while having all the conversations revolve around those topics. She's too into policy to streamline her own stances into workable soundbites.Well, ripping corrupt, rich, white men a new asshole in public view is her specialty. It's too bad she stinks at the campaigning part.
Yes. Biden is hanging onto viability by a thread in a lot of big states and Bloomberg is likely taking a big fucking hit after tonight. If the moderate wing continues to vote split up to Super Tuesday its real possible that he is the only viable candidate in major delegate states like California and Texas.So bernie needs about 15%+ more delegates for him not to be fucked by the super delegates? Is that even possible?
It wasn't close. Clinton won by double digits in vote percentage and a similar amount in delegates. It was a foregone conclusion that with only two candidates that Clinton would have a clear majority well before the primary process even ended.The race in 2016 was, for a long time, really really close. It'd be one thing if the convention was in a week and any of these candidates were neck and neck with sanders, but that's not the case. the sanders campaign floated the idea of swaying superdelegates with a month and change to go; it's very early for these candidates to more or less be saying "I know i can't win outright, but what if i had superdelegates?" (fwiw, i am in total agreement with people who think SDEs are bad)
anyway, it is a moot point, because ultimately the 2016 democratic convention was not contested. bernie dropped out and endorsed hillary.
I'm sorry, I overreacted. I'm sick of a lot of the leftist discourse online, but at the end of the day, most of these people want the same things I do.
I think you underestimate how much sway Trump still holds. There is only one candidate with enough momentum behind him to beat Trump and it's Sanders.
I don't.
1) The Trump base is still the Trump base. Most of them still love the guy.
2) The economy is doing well and most people put their short-term interests first.
3) Trump is emboldened to get away with any amount of fuckery he can.
4) Moscow Mitch has blocked every voting security bill put on the table.
5) If the vote somehow goes to the Supreme Court again, the numbers aren't on our side.
That's why electability IS a concern in the general. Warren is IMO the best shot we've got. She doesn't have a lot of skeletons in the closet, she has practical experience fighting for working folk, she's progressive enough to attract the young vote but folksy enough to play in Peoria, she has an emotional empathy that comes through big on her stump speeches, and she can light people up in a debate like it ain't no thing.
A contested convention isn't ignoring the will of the people. It's acknowledging that a majority did not choose a single candidate.Bernie was wrong in 16. He is right in 2020, the current year. If things were different and he said otherwise then we would be saying he is wrong. Lets focus on the fact that its wrong to have a system in place that ignores the will of the people.
They're both social democrats, the difference really comes from their rhetoric, where it's apparent that Bernie has a theory of change, and Warren not so much.
I would hope that people who thought that opposition to caucuses/open primaries in 2016 was just because people supported Clinton are rethinking that perspective now.In fact in 2016 his campaign was all about caucuses and I'd expect that after Iowa they'll want them all gone completely, as while it benefited him as an outsider in that race it blew up spectacularly to his detriment in this one.
Sanders hasn't been winning elections for >30 years sa an independent without knowing and employing political maneuvering.
As an immigrant and the son of immigrants, these are the kind of posts that made me hesitant to support Bernie.
You do not need to belittle other issues to promote medicare for all.
Dont be disingenuous. If the person who got the most votes doesnt win were not talking about democracy. Same with the electoral college. If the dem party wants to destroy itself by ignoring its voters they can try to fuck over the winner with the most votes/delegates and see what happens.A contested convention isn't ignoring the will of the people. It's acknowledging that a majority did not choose a single candidate.
Mine surely do. I don't give a shit about being consistent regarding party rules. Do what it takes to gain legitimacy.I think he's saying that people's opinions on how elections should be run and the role of superdelegates change based on who the frontrunner is.
I'm going to say this again. A contested convention is not ignoring the will of the people. It's an acknowledgment that the people did not come to a consensus. Which in this case is a majority. More than 50 percent. That's not undemocratic. And I don't know why you're bringing up the electoral college.Dont be disingenuous. If the person who got the most votes doesnt win were not talking about democracy. Same with the electoral college. If the dem party wants to destroy itself by ignoring its voters they can try to fuck over the winner with the most votes/delegates and see what happens.
He did argue that superdelegates should vote against the will of the people and choose him over Hillary and he argued that caucuses were good. He did say those thingsi'm glad we've all united to defeat shadow bernie for the thing he didn't say that would have been dumb if he did say. now, as for all those candidates who did say it, that's fine,
It may not be a bad idea to let the dem party crash and burn and let the progressives take over. Nancy, chuck and everyone else have to go.
As of most recent national polling Sanders is the only one with a likely path in both swing state and national polling. Most beat him in the head to head national polls, but up until Biden's fall only Sanders and Biden clearly beat Trump in a majority the rust belt swing states needed to win the electoral college.I legitimately believe that any Dem candidate will easily beat Trump come Election Day, except Bloomberg.
Sanders has a theory of change, Warren has actual incremental policies. Thats the difference. But Sanders has the political charisma to energize a largely untapped youth vote and a larger existing coalition behind him, both of which are essential for a progressive to win.They're both social democrats, the difference really comes from their rhetoric, where it's apparent that Bernie has a theory of change, and Warren not so much.
Depends, though. Getting to 50% is nearly impossible with a field this large. I'd say that if 1st is at like 45% and 2nd at 30%, that's probably grounds to just push #1 over the edge.I'm going to say this again. A contested convention is not ignoring the will of the people. It's an acknowledgment that the people did not come to a consensus. Which in this case is a majority. More than 50 percent. That's not undemocratic. And I don't know why you're bringing up the electoral college.
I'm going to say this again. A contested convention is ignoring the will of the people. A consensus for what? Its an arbitrary number that means nothing and only exists in the event that Dems have an opportunity to use the SDs to swing the election in a way that goes against what the majority of voters/delegates picked. What youre talking about is not democracy.I'm going to say this again. A contested convention is not ignoring the will of the people. It's an acknowledgment that the people did not come to a consensus. Which in this case is a majority. More than 50 percent. That's not undemocratic. And I don't know why you're bringing up the electoral college.
Didn't work in 2000 and 2016Call me old fashioned, but I think ultimately it's going to come down to turnout and whoever gets the most votes.