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Let's Speculate on Tifa's Design in Final Fantasy VII Remake
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He had Nerd Rage.
Bastard shouldn't have fucked with his Tifa....oh and he burned his mom alive too. ;)
mma gloves looks way better for her and closer to the original
Tifa doesn't have any supernatural strength right? Just a normie? It's been a while.
Her design/clothing are iconic at this point, I guarantee they're not gonna mess with it too much for fear of fan outcry.
Her melons will surely be gigantic too.
Her limit breaks suggest some pretty good power, but I dont think its past the limit of what other people can do, just an exaggeration for game sake. She is just a good fighter with a decent amount of strength, not super powered or anything to my knowledge
Lol. Yeah he had the adrenaline, but wasn't gonna give him more strength of Hercules.
Though tbf Cloud was always special. He was a naturally gifted swordsman and solo'd a Behemoth a bunch of other mooks and Turks had trouble with in Before Crisis
A normie in the context of the rules of FF7. Even then, through materia boosts, and etc. Plus the opponent she fights. She's not just some normie exactly. We won't know exactly how strong she really is until the remake comes out as in FF7 the limitations made everyone seem like they could lift a city.
Cloud was able to do some stupid shit as a non-enhanced fighter. So we will just have to see what they decide here for her.
SOLDIER's are physically enhanced with JENOVA cells. And even then, aside from Sephiroth who was made special, they have their faults too and die all the time. Hell you fight and kill a number of SOLDIERs, from all classes, in FF7. Its not like Tifa can't beat them too. SOLDIERs are boost humans, but only a few a truly "special"
Cloud rejected JENOVA cells, but later his body accepted Sephiroth cells and successfully got enhanced.
Time will tell
i'm a FF fan, but we have to accept final fantasy is anime, they kill megazords created by the planet that can destroy cities with a beam, they are not average humans
"Haha! I am invincible! Not even a thousand of your attacks can harm me!"
*on attack one thousand, Tifa lands a normal punch*
"OH NO, MY SUDDEN WEAKNESSES!" *dies*
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This is one of those weird lore things that's never been clarified: all that's ever been said is that she was scouted by Zangan at a young age because he saw a natural talent with her (and I really hope this doesn't get expanded to reveal that he was a Master Roshi type...).
I always thought it was strange we never saw any of his other students. If he was able to unlock that kind of freakish strength from someone without using Mako or Jenova cells, he must have gotten noticed by Shin-Ra or something. This is one of those things I hope gets expanded on in the Remake.
After watching HunterXHunter, my theory is that Tifa is using chakra, i.e. her inner energy to allow her to perform the crazy powerful feats that she does. That said, she still should have some muscle tone for someone who regularly exercises, so that's still a hope.
I don't think it needs any more explanation than why Cid or Yuffie can do superhuman stuff
You know that idea of mothers becoming super strong when their kids are trapped under cars, and lifting the cars off them? And humans are limited because if we were like that all the time, our limbs would rip apart?
Same thing, but if you're living in FF7 land, that includes having an innate magic/lifestream-power inside you.
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Neither of them really do anything physically insane, minus Cid having the trademark Dragoon jump. Yuffie is all about speedy ninja techniques, so her biggest accomplishment is being able to jump really high and dash around quickly.
She is absolutely not on the same league as Tifa physically, and if Dissidia OO is to be believed she's also terrified of taking Tifa on in a direct fight.
normal soldiers only have mako, the ones with dark robes that have numbers received jenova cells but they have no free will they are sephiroth puppets, while zack and cloud (kinda of) still have their free will.
so cloud and zack are real special cases of bio-engineered soldiers
Cloud specifically says you can only join SOLDIER is your body accepts the JENOVA cells.
"You see, someone in SOLDIER isn't simply exposed to Mako energy. Their bodies are actually injected with Jenova cells...... For better or for worse, only the strong can enter SOLDIER. "
The Mako is just what ShinRa tells them that they are injecting. Cloud couldn't join SOLDIER because his body rejected the cells. This is a plot point that was brought up and expanded on in Crisis Core
Zack's body also rejected Sephiroth's cells. Because he already had JENOVA cells
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There have been some cheeky references in other games, like the aforementioned Dissidia, as well as a nickname of "Perfect Hourglass" in Theatrhythm (there's also the especially creepy "Grew Up Real Fine" nickname for Rydia).
The recently released FFXIV minion describes her as "the gravity-defying martial artist", and I can only hope that's referencing her jumping....
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I thought you had to pass a physical regimen first and THEN you get injected with Mako once you're approved as a candidate.
That's how I always interpreted it: Cloud was so weak he could barely muster as a regular grunt.
I have a fundemental disagreement with the big boobs=bad design mentality, I think its pretty dumb honestly.
Nobody (outside of a few madmen) want the absurd balloon boobs of the FMV but the original Nomura designs are still good to this day.
Is it a bit impractical, yes, but so its a good 50% of everything in FFVII. Just look at Clouds sword, Sephiroth's sword or even Cait Sith. I also don't think some impractical sillyness is a bad thing either. Its part of the charm.
But like I said before, there is no reason every character shouldn't have a least one alt costume.
Nobody (outside of a few madmen) want the absurd balloon boobs of the FMV but the original Nomura designs are still good to this day.
Is it a bit impractical, yes, but so its a good 50% of everything in FFVII. Just look at Clouds sword, Sephiroth's sword or even Cait Sith. I also don't think some impractical sillyness is a bad thing either. Its part of the charm.
But like I said before, there is no reason every character shouldn't have a least one alt costume.
"You see, someone in SOLDIER isn't simply exposed to Mako energy. Their bodies are actually injected with Jenova cells...... For better or for worse, only the strong can enter SOLDIER. "
Cloud wasn't weak at all. He was actually far above the level of any normal grunt. Zack even expresses this in Crisis Core. Cloud simply rejected the JENOVA cells and they denied him. He couldn't pass any SOLDIER tests because he didn't get turned into a superhuman
If you only look in the context of FF7 itself. Cloud claims he was weak. But in every release after that, it seemed that he just had no confidence in his natural abilities and somehow stepped up in specific occasions. Like the Behemoth, or other times his life was in danger. Or against Sephiroth. Even though he was no SOLDIER, it turned out he wasn't just any normal grunt
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And it's totally normal to have big boobs. The challenge is treating Tifa with dignity when the camera is on her and when she's flipping around.
Just admit these dudes are overpowered anime characters who can bodyslam tanks
Nothing about these dudes whether by way of magic or strength, that makes them conform to even the rules of their own world in normal people terms. Tifa is a martial artist and so is superhuman. Cloud being apart of the solider program turned him into a mere grunt with a gun to a overpowered badass in the same manner.
Nothing about these dudes whether by way of magic or strength, that makes them conform to even the rules of their own world in normal people terms. Tifa is a martial artist and so is superhuman. Cloud being apart of the solider program turned him into a mere grunt with a gun to a overpowered badass in the same manner.
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I'm a firm believer that a good design should match the aesthetics and tone of the media in question. That's why I don't take issue with Dead or Alive or Senran Kagura. It's a world of titty monsters, and that's how they like it.
Tifa can be sexy and have an ample bosom in the FFVII Remake, as long as she still meshes with the other designs. If they go too far in one direction, it'll look like putting Pyrra in Final Fantasy XV, as seen in PC mods.
Scrap that, thinking of something else from Crisis Core
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I would honestly mind sexy designs less if they weren't doubled-down with a perverted-camera.
I have no doubt the new design will be good.
Cloud, Aerith and Barrett look great. There is no reason Tifa won't as well.
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I would honestly mind sexy designs less if they weren't doubled-down with a perverted-camera.
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no, zack survived because he already had mako in his body and was strong, while cloud was weaker and had to face the effects of jenova cells and mako.
Only the tests subjects of Hojo received the jenova cells, if cloud says that in game its a miss translation, you face soldiers in the game and they dont want the reunion.
"Hojo put his Reunion Theory to the test in the aftermath of the Nibelheim Incident. The survivors of Nibelheim, including Cloud Strife and Zack Fair (and excluding Tifa Lockhart, who had been rescued before Shinra arrived), were rounded up and injected with Sephiroth cells, Sephiroth having merged with Jenova cells while still in the womb. The subjects were exposed to Mako in a procedure similar to the augmentation done to SOLDIER members.
As the Nibelheim survivors did not have the mental or physical strength to keep their sense of self, they became mindless puppets devoted to Jenova and Sephiroth called Sephiroth Clones. Zack, being a SOLDIER, resisted the effects, but Cloud succumbed and developed Mako poisoning. Hojo labelled the two as failures and held them in Shinra Manor for years, while the successful Sephiroth Clones were tattooed with numbers to keep track of them."
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Reunion_Theory
"Approximately 30 years before the beginning of Final Fantasy VII, the Jenova Project was initiated to produce a human-Cetra hybrid using the cells from Jenova (mistaken to be a Cetra) and Mako Energy from the Planet. The result was Sephiroth, who, although not having the powers of a Cetra as originally intended, was a child with exceptional abilities. Shinra recognized his potential and a method was planned to mass produce more fighters of his type.
Using similar processes, Shinra exposed promising warriors to raw Mako giving their eyes the unique "glow". Although eclipsed by Sephiroth, the new warriors, called SOLDIER, gained powers surpassing those of a normal combatant. They were sent on the more dangerous or important missions, had access to more equipment and information, and were higher ranked than other members of the army and would be used to great effectiveness during the Wutai War."
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/SOLDIER
A fantasy version of the scene in Taken where Liam Neeson's daughter is being sold in that dark room?
True it would be something we don't see much, if at all, in gaming. But yeah I don't see SE doing that at all. Hell I don't see SE even giving her muscles lol.
Unfortunately, he rarely actually comes off like that, considering how easily Dr. Hollander overpowered him.
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I think it's safe to say she's the most popular heroine in the whole series.
And if that isn't the case, she's definitely going to reach that status in the Remake.
Especially if they split one of the parts where
She takes over as the main playable character
As I said, it was only when it truly mattered. Although we learn later Hollander was experimenting on himself. Which is why he hunted down Cloud for his pure S-cells. He was a joke in every other instance. 0 confidence. But he had the drive to fend off Sephiroth for Tifa and Zack
My bad then
That just makes the SOLDIERs you beat up in FF7 less special then
Yeah they are just random battles anyway, but still. They weren't labeled as anything special.
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I mean have you seen the different kinds fan-art of her. Whatever way she looks, there's going to be a massive shitstorm of disappointment, due to fans having their own way of seeing her and believing how she should be.
You mean starring in the opening scene of the new trailer in a way that sets the tone for the entire game? That kind of casually?
(best girl)
Aerith has got to be more "iconic" than Tifa, at least. She's That One Girl Who Has That One Thing Happen to Her in a Video Game, and her presence looms over the whole story like Darth Vader in that Empire Strikes Back poster.
Aerith has got to be more "iconic" than Tifa, at least. She's That One Girl Who Has That One Thing Happen to Her in a Video Game, and her presence looms over the whole story like Darth Vader in that Empire Strikes Back poster.
Well I agree. Aerith is like the patron saint of FFVII. The game itself opens on her.
actuallyreading more the article, and with that quote,it seems there's 2 type of cells jenova cells and sephiroth cells, soldier has jenova cells but they are weaker than sephiroth, then hojo created the experiment in nibelheilm with sephiroth cells and not jenova, and that's why they are called clones of sephiroth, cloud and zack survived with conscious.
So they are special but due to sephiroth cells, not jenova, and thats why sephiroth has mind control on the puppets and cloud.
i always thought it was only jenova cells, i learned something about ff7 today.
I swear I remember that Zack was a failure because he rejected Sephiroth's cells because of the Jenova ones he already had
In Crisis Core, Hollander and Genesis clones were after Cloud for his S-cells, and not Zack
Maybe its a change Crisis Core did. Its been so long since I played either game
EDIT: I got curious and went looking for the right answer
Its funny how Cloud became the only real success of the experiment and became a SOLDIER-like guy through Sephiroth. The irony'
EDIT 2: More explained by Hollander. Zack's cells were already mutated and could not mutate further with Sephiroth's. So Cloud was their only option. Dunno if I can link a video or not.
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didnt remembered that, yeah so in the end cloud is the only real special case, the games makes it confusing too, they talk about jenova cells there, but its really sephiroth cells.I swear I remember that Zack was a failure because he rejected Sephiroth's cells because of the Jenova ones he already had
In Crisis Core, Hollander and Genesis clones were after Cloud for his S-cells, and not Zack
Maybe its a change Crisis Core did. Its been so long since I played either game
EDIT: I got curious and went looking for the right answer
Its funny how Cloud became the only real success of the experiment and became a SOLDIER-like guy through Sephiroth. The irony
Well the scene in FF7 is obscenely short and even the talk after Cloud recovers doesn't go into detail on it
They don't expand until the Ultimana and Crisis Core
regardless my original point is that most of SOLDIER really isn't as special as they seem. Sephiroth is why the Wutai War didnt end with SOLDIER facing major losses. And even then normal SOLDIERs lose all the time, even with enhancements. Even with Zack, he was cultivated by Angeal and got stronger constantly fighting Genesis. So I don't think Tifa and the rest of the party are considered normies when they can take them fairly easily. Materia also can help close gaps too I guess
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Not to take away from the Aerith reveal: I think that's the best she's ever looked and I have zero complaints about the design, animation or voice.
But it was telling that nearly every social media post about Aerith was followed up "Okay but where's Tifa?", to the point that #Tifa was trending on Twitter just as much as #Aerith (at least that's what I heard, I don't have the exact numbers). The fact that Square intentionally teased her name but left her out of the teaser really says a lot in a "get ready, she's coming" way that they haven't done with anyone else yet.
Get ready for a whole new generation of this.
Edit: Since the design has been posted a bunch of times, here's a video version of it:
I concur with other folks in that the face is a bit too dolled-up in an uncanny valley, DOA way. I'm not a fan of the 7th Heaven booty stamp either.
But they could do a whole lot worse than this, so I'd be more-or-less satisfied if the Remake version matched this.
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