The beach secene where the guys are trying to get laid ends with the only girls interested in them being trans. Of course all the guys freak out and the game paints the trans girls as men. It is thankfully absent from the FeMC route in Persona 3 Portable.
This thread wouldn't exist if the game is banned, yet I think it should exist. Talking about something is not the same as endorsing it. In your eyes Era is a giant advertisement board?The entire point of ResetEra banning games from discussion is so that the games aren't being advertised by the discussion. It's not a boycott, but it serves the same purpose. It is a refusal to support a product, such as those that sexualize children.
At this point she's already dead-everythinged.
Not the case in Classic but then again that was handled by SEGA Europe so I'm not entirely sure.
The beach secene where the guys are trying to get laid ends with the only girls interested in them being trans. Of course all the guys freak out and the game paints the trans girls as men. It is thankfully absent from the FeMC route in Persona 3 Portable.
Yeah, that's also kinda the thing. Though it seems like he really started to become influential once he became a producer, after Kouji Okada, one of the company's founders, left. Kazuma Kaneko has also done a lot less work lately, so most of the original/founding members of Atlus have largely either left or been pushed into the background at this point.Well Hashino didn't work on Persona 2 IIRC, so that helps a lot.
What's with the insult ? And why are you accusing me of being disingenuous ?The entire point of ResetEra banning games from discussion is so that the games aren't being advertised by the discussion. It's not a boycott, but it serves the same purpose. It is a refusal to support a product, such as those that sexualize children.
You trying to treat people as racists or anti-semites because you don't understand that suggests to me that either you're disingenuous or you're an idiot.
Then why care about Hashino's beliefs ? The bigotry still exists in the art. Whether the artist is alive or dead.I mean, yeah that's what i said
Dude's dead, no point in caring about his beliefs, waste of my time
Seconded.I think a comprehensive thread detailing the transphobia and even homophobia in ATLUS games would be very welcome now with the wave of attention this particular case will bring. It's a great opportunity to bring light to this issue.
I'm not as well-versed in ATLUS' full catalogue as some, so even I could use a lesson in that regard.
Yeah, I specifically want to know this about Full Body.Not the case in Classic but then again that was handled by SEGA Europe so I'm not entirely sure.
The thing is that the optics of all of this are so bewilderingly bad that it'd be incredible for it to all be intentionally harmful and not, at least in part, horribly misguided.
The sexism is worth detailing as well, I think. For example, Persona 3 doesn't allow platonic relationships with girls because Hashino couldn't imagine friendship between boys and girls, as he admitted in an interview.I think a comprehensive thread detailing the transphobia and even homophobia in ATLUS games would be very welcome now with the wave of attention this particular case will bring. It's a great opportunity to bring light to this issue.
I'm not as well-versed in ATLUS' full catalogue as some, so even I could use a lesson in that regard.
For example: Almost 10 pages of discussion and this is the first time it's been raised that Erica was dead named in the original title's credits. Wow.
Then why care about Hashino's beliefs ? The bigotry still exists in the art. Whether the artist is alive or dead.
Can we at least not have threads advertising the game, such as OTs and trailer threads?Official Staff CommunicationWe've received a request to have this game banned and added to the prohibited games list. The team has discussed this, and our conclusion is that banning the game would inadvertently serve to sweep this issue under the rug, when it should really be brought to light and exposed.
However, please keep in mind that the contents described here are so blatantly offensive that defense of them, or any dismissal of relevant criticism, will be met with bans.
A staff message has also been added to the OT with clearly outlined rules and expectations of behavior.
I think a comprehensive thread detailing the transphobia and even homophobia in ATLUS games would be very welcome now with the wave of attention this particular case will bring. It's a great opportunity to bring light to this issue.
I'm not as well-versed in ATLUS' full catalogue as some, so even I could use a lesson in that regard.
For example: Almost 10 pages of discussion and this is the first time it's been raised that Erica was dead named in the original title's credits. Wow.
Which ablsoutely fine. But that's not the same as wanting it to be ban it from being discussed.Because I don't want to support him financially?
This isn't hard to grasp
I'll just wiki the game
I feel like that's the best way to go about it, though I feel bad for the person who made the OT already.Can we at least not have threads advertising the game, such as OTs and trailer threads?
Here's the credits:Yeah, I specifically want to know this about Full Body.
The thing is that the optics of all of this are so bewilderingly bad that it'd be incredible for it to all be intentionally harmful and not, at least in part, horribly misguided.
There's the comment that they apparently don't demean Erica when she talks about participating in woman's wrestling now. So I want to know the credits element, too, to see if they at least attempted to rectify mistakes they made in the past, or if this was truly, 100% a case of them not giving a shit.
That actually reminds me. While Hashino likely won't get any money from Joker being in Smash, having two characters tied to homophobic creators back-to-back may not be a good look for Nintendo if "Brave" is who we think it is (& is Fighters Pass Character #2).honestly disgusted . no respect for those who identify as trans . how is it that Nintendo that was an uptight japanese company progress a lot to having their main characters (male) cross dress in feminine clothes to hopefully make those who do in real life relate to the characters , while atlus is stuck in the past, keeping these disrespectful ideas?
Hashino won't, but Atlus in general getting money from my DLC purchase bums me the fuck out. Atlus will enable Hashino until the end of time.That actually reminds me. While Hashino likely won't get any money from Joker being in Smash, having two characters tied to homophobic creators back-to-back may not be a good look for Nintendo if "Brave" is who we think it is (& is Fighters Pass Character #2).
Here's the credits:
Catherine (Original):
Catherine Full Body:
Here's the credits:
Catherine (Original):
Catherine Full Body:
Christ, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse. BAM!Here's the credits:
Catherine (Original):
Catherine Full Body:
Thank you, I think this is best. I'd rather save banning for games that are are just irredeemably offensive trash, not for something that's offensive but... well, the company isn't explicitly catering to transphobic trash so much as having ignorant/bigoted/thick headed people in charge. There's something to actually analyze/call out here, not just a trash tier game that actively has nothing worth discussing except for being awful.Official Staff CommunicationWe've received a request to have this game banned and added to the prohibited games list. The team has discussed this, and our conclusion is that banning the game would inadvertently serve to sweep this issue under the rug, when it should really be brought to light and exposed.
However, please keep in mind that the contents described here are so blatantly offensive that defense of them, or any dismissal of relevant criticism, will be met with bans.
A staff message has also been added to the OT with clearly outlined rules and expectations of behavior.
Somehow we've all forgotten that Rin dresses, appears and presents herself like a middle-schooler in the midst of all this.
damn worse than the steam portHere's the credits:
Catherine (Original):
Catherine Full Body:
Well if enough pressure is thrown at SEGA, they can remove Hashino at any time since they own Atlus now. So there is a small chance something can be done now that Atlus answers to someoneHashino won't, but Atlus in general getting money from my DLC purchase bums me the fuck out. Atlus will enable Hashino until the end of time.
Who can add to this list of characters associated to assholes? Earthworm Jim maybe?
Oh you.
Here's the credits:
Catherine (Original):
Catherine Full Body:
This thread wouldn't exist if the game is banned, yet I think it should exist. Talking about something is not the same as endorsing it. In your eyes Era is a giant advertisement board?
Thanks. So they kept it. Welp.Here's the credits:
Catherine (Original):
Catherine Full Body:
We actually talked about it on page 2, for what it's worth. I brought it up and then it was backed up.
I mean, if it's before you could say she met someone she loved / that loves her back sooner so transition could be postponed or not as necessary for her in this timeline because she ended up being happy with how things were ?
I think you linked to the wrong post, but I see what you're referring to. Thanks for the correction!
Didn't Hashino direct the original Catherine though? There was a post earlier in this thread stating that the concept for Full Body is exactly what they wanted to do with Catherine but it wasn't the right "time" yet, whatever that means. I'd imagine he'd have quite a lot of influence in the making of Full Body, delegating a lot of the ideas and concept dev to those under him as you state.Thanks. So they kept it. Welp.
There's going to need to be an official statement from some Atlus department, whether Japan or USA, sooner than later. It's getting to the point where they won't be able to simply ignore it.
Understandably, people point to Hashino a lot for this, but he wasn't the director for Catherine: Full Body. There are other scenario writers / planners for these games. There are other people who are complicit with the ideas, or are even responsible for them in the first place.
Hashino likes themes of togetherness and acceptance, but elements of games he's involved with go directly against that. I would love for him to finally acknowledge that in an interview.
An earlier comment said that there is negative feedback for this stuff in Japan, but I have to wonder just how loud/active it is. Atlus clearly focuses solely on Japan when it comes to the content of their games, so I feel like it'd take a real push from there.
Yeah, he's 23 in the game and only got his job recently iirc, so the picture of then together basically needs to be during the same period of time as the events of the game. Couldn't be much earlier since Toby wouldn't have his work uniform.At best, Erica implies she still sees herself as a girl. But that line is a punchline to Toby saying he wants a girl like Catherine, so...
There is also a question of when this scene is set, because (and I hadn't remembered this so I really appreciate people focusing on it) Toby is much younger than the rest of the group, so despite the vague timing he's around so it's questionable why Erica hasn't transitioned.
I honestly hope you're right.If this got enough traction to the point that Hashimoto had to leave then no. No one is going to attempt to do that again especially when other developers under Atlus have never done anything like this.
Hashino's games are beloved in spite of their offensive handlings of the LGBT community not because of it