Major terrorist (white supremacist) attack in Christchurch (NZ) [UP6: 4 suspects in custody, 50 confirmed dead] (READ THREADMARKS)

MeaningOfKarma · Mar 15, 2019

Teodor said:
I just learned that this cunt went to see my old country and I assume he visited the places related to right wing propaganda about old rulers that were known to kill muslims. It's clear to me that this act it's religious motivate and he is a christian terrorist.

There's nothing in his scrawl of a manifesto that would suggest that he's particularly Christian.

Both him and the modern neo-fascists that make up the alt-right are much like the rest of their age group in the sense that they are not particularly religious - and to think that they're Christian fundamentalists is to misunderstand the nature of the current and future ideological and cultural landscape that politics will be and is being conducted in.

Do you think, for example, that Adolf Hitler and the NSDAP were religiously motivated?

This is a genuine fascist political movement with all the bells and whistles attached, not an extremist Christian one. They're interested in things like

storaføtter · Mar 15, 2019

I feel for Christchurch and the muslim community. My partner is from Christchurch, but currently living with me in Norway. I recommend to use vpn and sign up for a free account at TVNZ.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/

Currently watching the morning show live, they are covering the shooting for some hours. The reporters are excellent and good coverage on the incident. Good interviews. They encourage people to not spread the video and so called "manifesto".

I got to experience Christchurch last December and loved the warmth the kiwis showed me. My thoughts are with you, wonderful kiwis.

RoaminRonin · Mar 15, 2019

The new face of terrorism in western societies are young white males. When I see a white male wearing a maga hat the thing that pops in my head is this guy is a potential domestic terrorist.

PancakeFlip · Mar 15, 2019

AcademicSaucer said:
is it true that one of the victims tried to stop the shooter and even managed to tackle him into the ground but was shot dead? I wish we knew more about him than about the shooter

So someone else shot him? Not sure how a guy tackled to the ground could be able to shoot, unless he shot as he as tackled or something.

SurrenderDorothy · Mar 15, 2019

Maajid Nawaaz has always been a right cunt. Don't know what people see in him.

PipefishUK said:
Is anyone else really depressed by the non reaction on their Facebook?

All the usual people who put a flag as their profile picture and write, 'thoughts and prayers' or 'I stand with ...', when there's a terror attack - which normally makes cynical me all, 'Jesus, give it a rest'... - they're all carrying on as if nothing has happened.

There's nothing, no one on my Facebook has even mentioned it.

It's really obvious that this hasn't been reacted to in the same way as any other attack and (even though as far as I can see in the UK at least, the media is treating it exactly the same) it's really pissing me off, it's very depressing. It's it just me who has arsehole friends or has anyone else noticed this?

I mentioned it earlier, no flags or nothing. In some ways I like that though, people faking their sympathies with useless photo changes and platitudes always annoyed me.
Still..a part of me is bothered. I don't know how I feel about it.

ThLunarian · Mar 15, 2019

Heshinsi said:
How exactly has white supremacy and idealogy been defeated in the US? You do recall what happened to him right? Never mind that Gandhi in your other example, was fighting against colonialism and he wasn't the only one fighting back against British rule in India.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/world/the-forgotten-violence-that-helped-india-break-free-from-colonial-rule-a7409066.html?amp

Stating that Indian independence was solely gotten through Gandhi's peace movement, is to erase the hundreds who fought and died for decades prior to create the necessary conditions for Gandhi to succeed.

They were both peaceful movements that led to some measure of success. Britain left India and the Civil Rights act was signed.

Please calm down. I didn't suggest that they were magical cure-alls that existed in vacuums. But they are examples of nonviolence that succeeded in the face of violence, which is what was requested.

Thordinson · Mar 15, 2019

PipefishUK said:
Is anyone else really depressed by the non reaction on their Facebook?

All the usual people who put a flag as their profile picture and write, 'thoughts and prayers' or 'I stand with ...', when there's a terror attack - which normally makes cynical me all, 'Jesus, give it a rest'... - they're all carrying on as if nothing has happened.

There's nothing, no one on my Facebook has even mentioned it.

It's really obvious that this hasn't been reacted to in the same way as any other attack and (even though as far as I can see in the UK at least, the media is treating it exactly the same) it's really pissing me off, it's very depressing. It's it just me who has arsehole friends or has anyone else noticed this?

I noticed it too. I was the only one to post something about it by posting links to donate to the victim's and their families thanks to various posters here. It's sad...We are all brothers and sisters. This should hurt all of us.

YMB · Mar 15, 2019

Michael F. Assbender said:
Another question:

Aren't guns banned in Australia? Is it different in New Zealand? How was this fuckwit able to get so many guns?

Guns arnt banned in either countries. AU just has very strict requirements. NZ is looser, but still very strict compared to the US. The most loosest laws are no firearm registration (but i think they register people who own guns. i might be wrong about this though) and they have access to semi-auto firearms although they are expensive and parts of them require additional licenses. Even with those and NZ's high firearm ownership rate (similar to the US' actually) gun crime and death are fairly rare, specially for mass shootings.

Skux · Mar 15, 2019

r/watchpeopledie and r/gore have been banned from Reddit, and others have been quarantined or made private, including r/PewdiepieSubmissions

I admit I visited the former subreddit out of morbid curiosity, but there was always a segment of the users that would spout racism. They'd be the kind getting off on the shooter's video if it were there now, so I'm glad they can't do it there.

GameChanger · Mar 15, 2019

Prine said:
He and his company benefit from extremist victims, it keeps his organisation and thier services in the limelight. While I don't think his intentions are malicious, he's definitely exploits these situations and most of the times makes it worse (confusing non Muslims about motivations of moderate muslims).

I am aware of his rhetoric. The dude is a Muslim Uncle Tom. He essentially has the same talking points about Muslims and Islamist extremism as alt right and racist morons.

Anubis · Mar 15, 2019

This guy seemingly has no remorse. A very callous and deranged terrorist.

It's so alarming that he can visit Pakistan one year and offer them the highest of praises and commit this atrocity. I am so pissed.

Thurston Last · Mar 15, 2019

PancakeFlip said:
So someone else shot him? Not sure how a guy tackled to the ground could be able to shoot, unless he shot as he as tackled or something.

No, a guy attempted to tackle the shooter, but the shooter turned and shot him at the last second killing him. Then the shooter appeared to stumble as the guy who was shot fell at the shooter's legs/feet.

StrangerDanger · Mar 15, 2019

ThLunarian said:
They were both peaceful movements that led to some measure of success. Britain left India and the Civil Rights act was signed.

Please calm down. I didn't suggest that they were magical cure-alls that existed in vacuums. But they are examples of nonviolence that succeeded in the face of violence, which is what was requested.

Naw, you are undermining the influence of violence and how it impacts things on political scale. Using India in your example, there's lot of underground operations happening during WW1-WW2 that made British feel very threatened. Lots of violence outside the peaceful marches, etc that helped influence. The non violent stuff is a great proponent of propaganda to bring people together and reset. But you can't do that without inflicting pain first

Dothraki Horse · Mar 15, 2019

MeaningOfKarma said:
There's nothing in his scrawl of a manifesto that would suggest that he's particularly Christian.

Both him and the modern neo-fascists that make up the alt-right are much like the rest of their age group in the sense that they are not particularly religious - and to think that they're Christian fundamentalists is to misunderstand the nature of the current and future ideological landscape that politics will be and is being conducted in.

Do you think, for example, that Adolf Hitler was religiously motivated?

This is a (genuine) fascist political movement, not an extremist Christian one.

Everything he did prove his christian terrorist. We visited religious places in eastern europe that were erected because of the victories against muslims invaders. He had name of christian saint written on the weapon that he used. He is christian terrorist, end of story.

The Adder · Mar 15, 2019

ThLunarian said:
They were both peaceful movements

No. They were the peaceful sides of movements in progress that had both peaceful and violent fronts. They lionize the peaceful ones because they don't want people following the equally necessary violent agitators' leads.

Hideo GOATjima · Mar 15, 2019

Prine said:
He and his company benefit from extremist victims, it keeps his organisation and thier services in the limelight. While I don't think his intentions are malicious, he's definitely exploits these situations and most of the times makes it worse (confusing non Muslims about motivations of moderate muslims).

Maajd is pretty malicious, he's the same as any other"useful idiot" right wingers parade around as propoganda

zashga · Mar 15, 2019

Horrific story; heartbreaking under any circumstances. I'd say this goes to show how much work we have left to do making our society more fair and accepting, but it's hard to escape the feeling that this is a direct result of propagandists and demagogues intentionally making things worse. Fuck Trump and Shapiro and everyone else who demonize Muslims to build their own brand.

Zemst · Mar 15, 2019

Skux said:
r/watchpeopledie and r/gore have been banned from Reddit, and others have been quarantined or made private, including r/PewdiepieSubmissions

I admit I visited the former subreddit out of morbid curiosity, but there was always a segment of the users that would spout racism. They'd be the kind getting off on the shooter's video if it were there now, so I'm glad they can't do it there.

Ill be honest. I'm always surprised how reddit has slipped into the cultural norm and has mass advertisers when there's so many fucked up subreddits with toxicity on par with the worst of 4chan, white supremacy and extremely violent pornography. It's like an open secret that's well enough moderated to keep off the front page until something like this happens and they go on a banning spree.

SurrenderDorothy · Mar 15, 2019

Skux said:
r/watchpeopledie and r/gore have been banned from Reddit, and others have been quarantined or made private, including r/PewdiepieSubmissions

I admit I visited the former subreddit out of morbid curiosity, but there was always a segment of the users that would spout racism. They'd be the kind getting off on the shooter's video if it were there now, so I'm glad they can't do it there.

Damn, Reddit's shook, huh. Glad those two subreddits are gone.
Hope PewdiepieSubmissions ends up joining them.

Certain other subreddits should go with them but you know how those Reddit admins are...

MeaningOfKarma · Mar 15, 2019

Teodor said:
Everything he did prove his christian terrorist. We visited religious places in eastern europe that were erected because of the victories against muslims invaders. He had name of christian saint written on the weapon that he used. His christian terrorist, end of story.

He had the name of Charles Martel on his gun, who is not a Christian saint but a European political-historical figure.

The alt-right is not a Christian movement. They are interested in Muslims for the same reason the Nazis were interested in Jews. They aren't the Christian version of ISIS, Al Qaeda, or Al Shabab.

They're just Nazis.

Birdie · Mar 15, 2019

I can't believe Daily Mail literally did a "he was a good kid!" story and legit used a picture of him as a literal child.

Jesus.

AcademicSaucer · Mar 15, 2019

Thurston Last said:
No, a guy attempted to tackle the shooter, but the shooter turned and shot him at the last second killing him. Then the shooter appeared to stumble as the guy who was shot fell at the shooter's legs/feet.

Thanks, has the media or the authorities give his name?

Dothraki Horse · Mar 15, 2019

MeaningOfKarma said:
He had the name of Charles Martel on his gun, who is not a Christian saint but a European political-historical figure.

The alt-right is not a Christian movement. They are interested in Muslims for the same reason the Nazis were interested in Jews.

Please do some research. You can start with Stephen III of Moldavia.

Thurston Last · Mar 15, 2019

AcademicSaucer said:
Thanks, has the media or the authorities give his name?

I don't believe so.

Rivenblade · Mar 15, 2019

Fox News comments section on this story is disgusting. I took a screen cap of a snippet of them, but won't post here. Needless to say, but there are some hateful people out there who feel there is justification for the most heinous of acts.

Puroresu_kid · Mar 15, 2019

Birdie said:
I can't believe Daily Mail literally did a "he was a good kid!" story and legit used a picture of him as a literal child.

Jesus.

Total cunts.

To them Muslims and even other non white people are fair game. I can imagine these punks were sitting their reading the story this morning disappointed it wasn't a Muslim shooting up a church.

aisback · Mar 15, 2019

Birdie said:
I can't believe Daily Mail literally did a "he was a good kid!" story and legit used a picture of him as a literal child.

Jesus.

The Daily Mail is the scum paper of the world.

I'm just so worn down from all of this.

MeaningOfKarma · Mar 15, 2019

Teodor said:
Please do some research. You can start with Stephen III of Moldavia.

Do you think he put his name on his gun specifically because he was a saint, or, because like literally every other name on his gun, he was engaged in military and political battles with Muslims?

Tetrinski · Mar 15, 2019

This is so horrible, I work in Canada and had customers cry as they heard the news.

May I ask, what is 8chans involvement? Are they just trash as usual or are they actually involved in the attack in any way?

SecondNature · Mar 15, 2019

Skux said:
r/watchpeopledie and r/gore have been banned from Reddit, and others have been quarantined or made private, including r/PewdiepieSubmissions

I admit I visited the former subreddit out of morbid curiosity, but there was always a segment of the users that would spout racism. They'd be the kind getting off on the shooter's video if it were there now, so I'm glad they can't do it there.

PDP's sub was not quarantined. It was made private by mods. But there is another version with an underscore that was quanrantined. They need to quarantine the entire sub or delete it

Shibata100 · Mar 15, 2019

GameChanger said:
Maajid Nawaz is a piece of shit. American foreign policy is directly responsible for jihadi terror.

Hate that dude. I was standing with him protesting outside the Egyptian embassy when he was released from jail years ago after he was tortured etc etc. Now he is a paid stooge who is friends with people who don't like Muslims.

He has no credibility within the Muslim community in the UK.

TheAuldTriangle · Mar 15, 2019

The western world is under attack from white, sometimes Christian, extremists.

The irony.

Ushay · Mar 15, 2019

Incredibly painful to read this stuff online. So much death.

It's become so depressing being a Muslim in the current age. I felt even worse looking at the distinct lack of response on facebook and other media, downplaying everywhere. I just don't understand the hatred.

So were the shooters arrested or killed?

Dothraki Horse · Mar 15, 2019

MeaningOfKarma said:
Do you think he put his name on his gun specifically because he was a saint, or, because like literally every other name on his gun, he was engaged in military and political battles with Muslims?

Both. The fact that he visited religious places related with those names makes me to believe he embraced christianity religious extremism. If you visit those places you will understand why I think he is christian terrorist.

Ebullientprism · Mar 15, 2019

Doomguy Fieri said:
Ben Shaprio's like don't publish his manifesto. Don't speak his name. Definitely don't look at this retweets. Under no circumstances should you review his Youtube subscription.

Imagine being such an absolute dumpster fire of a person that when a shooting like this happens, you are genuinely worried if the shooter was inspired by you.

mbpm · Mar 15, 2019

Tetrinski said:
This is so horrible, I work in Canada and had customers cry as they heard the news.

May I ask, what is 8chans involvement? Are they just trash as usual or are they actually involved in the attack in any way?

He was an active member on the forum. Shortly before he underwent his spree he posted on there saying he was ready to take action. I believe he livestreamed the even there as well as facbook, to great applause.

Puroresu_kid · Mar 15, 2019

Prine said:
He and his company benefit from extremist victims, it keeps his organisation and thier services in the limelight. While I don't think his intentions are malicious, he's definitely exploits these situations and most of the times makes it worse (confusing non Muslims about motivations of moderate muslims).

I don't like him. A kid could go to school and do his daily prayers, not eat non halal meat and and Nawaz would have a teacher highlight the kid for possible signs of extremism.

Dr.Phibes · Mar 15, 2019

TheAuldTriangle said:
The western world is under attack from white, sometimes Christian, extremists.

The irony.

Who are also meme/edge lords. I want out.
Seriously, someone better build some big ass rockets so I can get off this miserable rock.

MeaningOfKarma · Mar 15, 2019

Teodor said:
Both. The fact that he visited religious places related with those names makes me to believe he embraced christianity religious extremism. If you visit those places you will understand why I think he is christian terrorist.

How do you define Christian extremism? Would you say antisemitism is Christian extremism?

Tetrinski · Mar 15, 2019

mbpm said:
He was an active member on the forum. Shortly before he underwent his spree he posted on there saying he was ready to take action. I believe he livestreamed the even there as well as facbook, to great applause.

That's so sickening, thanks for taking the time to answer.

Ravensmash · Mar 15, 2019

mbpm said:
He was an active member on the forum. Shortly before he underwent his spree he posted on there saying he was ready to take action. I believe he livestreamed the even there as well as facbook, to great applause.

I hope that those applauding him/encouraging him are being seriously looked at by the authorities - should be seen as equivalent to inciting terrorism - or they should be seen as a potential threat at least.

LiK · Mar 15, 2019

TaySan · Mar 15, 2019

Ushay said:
Incredibly painful to read this stuff online. So much death.

It's become so depressing being a Muslim in the current age. I felt even worse looking at the distinct lack of response on facebook and other media, downplaying everywhere. I just don't understand the hatred.

So were the shooters arrested or killed?

Arrested. 6 suspects I believe?

chaosaeon · Mar 15, 2019

PSqueak said:
Well it's complicated, the "let's not publicize the killer" is for psychopaths doing it for the "glory" of media attention, this horrific attack was not some gloryhounds trying to be immortalized infamity, this was an act of organized terrorism.

It honestly seems like both. Recording it and livestreaming it and posting everything to social media really sounds like they wanted the most people possible to see it.

Misterman · Mar 15, 2019

SecondNature said:
PDP's sub was not quarantined. It was made private by mods. But there is another version with an underscore that was quanrantined. They need to quarantine the entire sub or delete it

I hate seeing that sub hit the front page all the time. They make fun of people calling out pewdiepie for promoting Ben Shapiro and others like him, claim they're insane for calling everyone racist, and then this happens. Honestly, there needs to be some self reflection. Obviously the majority of them mean no harm but pewdiepie undeniably helps lead several people down a path toward the alt-right. They're currently acting like victims of one bad apple, but what does it say when someone like that supports you?

PancakeFlip · Mar 15, 2019

Birdie said:
I can't believe Daily Mail literally did a "he was a good kid!" story and legit used a picture of him as a literal child.

Jesus.

Shouldn't have even been published, who gives damn what he was like as a kid, look at what he's doing NOW.

BWoog · Mar 15, 2019

Deleted member 7130 · Mar 15, 2019

ThLunarian said:
Gandhi pulled it off in India. MLK Jr. pulled it off here.

I think they're notable exceptions to the norm though.

The former was a kind of supremacist himself and the latter was assassinated before truly forming a unified effort against an intersection of issues in america. King made proggress but the violent ideologies (the multitude of them by his latter years) he opposed still persist to varying degrees. "Defeated" is a laughable way to describe their concepts today as they still remain relevant and active - if not actually reaccumilating lost ground.

cameron · Mar 15, 2019

Brian Schatz @brianschatz

FYI under Obama 10 million was given to groups combating white supremacy and neo-Nazis. Trump administration froze the awards while it "re-evaluated" the program goals. The Trump Admin also removed those groups from future consideration of Countering Violent Extremism funding.

3:24 PM - Mar 15, 2019

Donald at his veto ceremony (shooter used the term invaders):

Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche

Pres Trump in oval office says he spoke with NZ prime minister "to express the sorrow of our entire nation." Trump called the shooting a "horrible, horrible thing." And then, he went on to talking about US border security: "Crimes of all kinds coming through our southern border."

Trump said: "If we had the proper protections, we wouldn't have to apprehend them." He called bill intended to revoke declaration "dangerous" and "reckless."

"I will be signing and issuing a veto," Trump said. "People hate the word invasion, but that's what it is."

3:41 PM - Mar 15, 2019

KAC:

Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche

My Q: What do you make of the NZ shooter saying President Trump is a symbol of renewed white identity? Kellyanne Conway: "The shooter is an evil, hateful person who is wrong about that."

2:55 PM - Mar 15, 2019

Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche

My Q: Did the WH think about rescheduling or cancelling Pres Trump's veto & immigration remarks bc of the NZ shooting? Kellyanne Conway said essentially no and that the president and WH want to assert for the "thousandth time" that there is a crisis at the southern border.

Q from @HallieJackson: Was the president disturbed that he was mentioned in NZ shooter's manifesto? Kellyanne: "Social media which you all love to use ubiquitously allowed this person to livestream his carnage." No mention of the president's reaction or his use of social media.

3:07 PM - Mar 15, 2019

Heshinsi · Mar 15, 2019

LiK said:

I thought he wasn't allowed to delete things because they have to part of the official record.

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