As I suspected, NZ needs to look at police response times and better policing. This is unacceptable.
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Major terrorist (white supremacist) attack in Christchurch (NZ) [UP6: 4 suspects in custody, 50 confirmed dead] (READ THREADMARKS)
- Thread starter Trevelyon
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Probably NZ police was less prepared and effective since they're not trained for this and NZ is not a usual terrorist target or hot spot where as Australia, France or Belgium for example have the military patrolling the streets. Hopefully there won't be a second time tho.
I made a fundraising and victim stories thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/fu...asjid-attack-victims-and-their-stories.105817
https://www.resetera.com/threads/fu...asjid-attack-victims-and-their-stories.105817
Scroll through this article until you get to the map/timeline. It will give you a good sense of what occurred when and where.
One thing to note is that the killings began seven minutes into the livestream.
Not recently. :P
I have walked through Northbridge in WA at night though.
Police Commissioner statement on police reponse times
https://www.facebook.com/RadioNewZealand/videos/2256011177950418/
- within 6 minutes of calls being received to the 111 emergency line, armed Police officers were at the scene
- within 10 minutes, Armed Offenders Squad personnel were at the scene
- within 36 minutes, the offender was in custody
Sounds pretty good if you ask me.
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Parse the data. 111 calls didn't all happen at once and doesn't mean the same thing as arriving at the scene within 6 minutes of the first call.
Drove through Northbridge late last night and it's still as dire as ever
He went on a rampage for 36 mins. I wonder when his last shot was fired out of that time period. It'd give me a better idea.
Otherwise I suppose I am being harsh on NZ police. The unprecedented nature of this tragedy really has me looking for ways to prevent this in the future.
Watched the last 20 minutes of the Wellington vigil. It was quite emotional, some of the speakers were clearly having a really tough time holding back their tears.
1.5 million? What the fuck
1.5 million? What the fuck
111 is our emergency services number, not the number of calls. I've updated the post so it's more clear.
This doesn't happen in New Zealand. You may be used to situations like this in America to the point where your police force is on the scene at a blazing fast speed, but you cannot comprehend the fact that this just doesn't happen here. You don't know what that means on a fundamentally societal level. You don't know what it's like to not have to expect mass shootings. How that influences things like response time.
oohhhh, duh. My bad. In that case, I'd say it'd be more meaningful to know how many calls went through before they were able to respond than just a response time to an undisclosed number of calls (with no disclosed call times/logs).
What reason do you have to believe that they are referring to anything but the first call they recieved?
Over here we don't obfuscate things as much as US-based politicans/police officials seem to like to do so.
agree half dont agree half (nothing facism aspects (disagree with you against them) your attitude to the political system aspect (disagree agianst you)). And very glad youre not in charge with making the laws aspect.
I'll take your word for it. Thanks for the clarification.
It would seem that the response was pretty good for an attack of this nature.
Someone who kills a 3 year old without remorse is a monster and has no humanity left in them.
Thought after the ISIS related attacks Australia had some army elements patrol the streets like Belgium and France? my bad.
Honestly i don't consider the monster that did this a "person".
Death is too merciful for him, and I don't want to start giving the alt right martyrs.
Yeah, i agree. Hard to think straight when this fucker still acts as its all a joke even after what he did.
Mass murderers in some parts of the world can feel content about the fact that they can go on a rampage and be rewarded with a roof over their head and food in their belly for the rest of their life. All so we can make a moral point. Apparently we're 'better than them'. Great. These killers aren't being rehabilitated, they're not contributing anything to society, they're just sitting in their rooms comfortable wasting state resources keeping them alive.
That's my hot take of the day, and nothing more to say on that matter but I felt compelled to rant anyway. Strong emotions lately and all that.
That's my hot take of the day, and nothing more to say on that matter but I felt compelled to rant anyway. Strong emotions lately and all that.
Damn, that would explain why it felt like that video was everywhere.
I hope all those who accidentally saw the video can obtain some sort of counseling or therapy.
The legal fees and cost of trials over death sentences - which can get tied up in courts for years, anyway - often exceed the cost of throwing them in a cell and feeding them gruel for a lifetime.
Many of them think its cool and awesome, social media has turned death and carnage into a mundane thing and made many people detached from humanity, you only have to look at websites like Liveleaks and former reddit subs like r/Watchpeopledie. At least Facebook and Youtube, despite all their faults are doing the right thing.
I know, I wasn't advocating for sentencing him to death anyway, tho I wouldn't mind if he got beat up everyday for the rest of his life.
You speak of cowardice yet your first instinct after a tragedy is to call for the curtail of civil liberties. Pathetic
There is over 1 billion people on facebook. That is only 0.15% of it's userbase. Which if you were to do a study of how many of the 1 billion are evil people, are desensitized to violence, are curious, have some hatred, are racists, are immoral, etc.. It's more likely looking at a much higher percentage than that of the population.
To be honest I don't think it's a new thing, social media has just made it easier. Back when I was a school kid (early-mid 2000s) I had classmates that had those low resolution taliban execution videos on their flip phones.
A life in prison without access to internet or television is a better punishment while also being a more humane one.
Are civil liberties more important than human lives? For what reason do we have liberties except to guarantee that lives are worth living. If a "civil liberty" is interfering with the task of living, then surely the life takes preference.
Anyway, this isn't a problem of "civil liberty", it's a matter of regulation. You're not constitutionally guaranteed a twitter/facebook account. A civil liberty exists for the sake of the civis, citizens, hence "civil". You would find it difficult to make the argument that people being radicalized on social media is a "civil liberty".
TBH I dont think he'll last long in prison either way. Child killers etc are normally targeted in prison
Put him in isolation cell without contact with other prisoner. Because what most dangerous if not him personally but his idea.
He should have the used the word selfishness. Because that's what's really driving you.
hopefully this guy is deemed to dangerous/high profile to be put in gen pop.
Read the guys post. He is clearly talking about making opinions illegal, not letting social networks enforce stricter TOS. The latter is obviously fine.