I missed the story on this one.
Okay found a link: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...inspired-by-farright-police-say-a4093986.html
"I concede in my post the two events are completely unrelated, but I'm gonna go ahead with this poor comparison anyways."Sine you are invoking Nazis, I will as well. Open a history book and read about the Reichstag Fire Decree. In response to a terrorist attack (false flag in the case of the fire, NZ attack obviously isn't) the German government restricted - (from wiki) personal freedom, freedom of expression, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.
I partially agree with your "whataboutism" statement that islamic terrorists have huge resources put against them while white terrorists have very little. However, if you've watched recent DoJ congressional testimony there are lawmakers and agency officials that are very aware of the threat of radicalized home grown terrorists. That change in focus can't wholly be complete with the current government.
I missed the story on this one.
Okay found a link: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...inspired-by-farright-police-say-a4093986.html
Fuckin yikesI just got straight up threatened on twitter indirectly.
Context is that there was a post made about "soy boys" yelling at this woman (works for that show run by Alex Jones), so the ones support of him on twitter come on and say this is why we need guns to fight against soy boys. So i chirp in to say along lies of how it's sad you need a gun to be equal to the soy boy because you are too weak in the inside with insecurity.
Mob army comes, some indirectly threaten me saying they buy guns and or have guns to wad off soy boys like me. Report some toxic ones, twitter deemed it not abusive. Free army comes in saying how it's perfectly acceptable to say things like that etc.
When abuse/threats = protected by free speech. Like jeez, i can't wrap my head around that.
For me indirect threats are still threats.
I wasn't aware of the term soy boy, internet is incredible always a new word to insult people and put them in a category ...
On the free speech subject i'm All for it.
As a philosophical satanist, it's important to say what you have to say but always be aware that if you have this right the people in front of you have the same right.
So basically if you are dumb prepare to embrace the shitstorm.
Every time I am confronted with a racist moron , I try to understand why he is like this and maybe with good arguments I will make him understand why I think is wrong.
If that person can't say what he thinks, his hate will grow stronger overtime and maybe turn into something worse.
I think it's better to know people and try to civilise them than let them in their corner .
Another thing, black/death metal music have often extremely violent lyrics about killing people in atrocious manners, to kill Christians and all.
Have you often seen a black metal mass/serial murderer?
Do you think it needs to be censored?
To express yourself violently in music does not make you a bad person , same goes with video games.
I think it's really difficult to target someone online because of the keyboard barrier.
Most of the people talking shit and going full racist online are you nice coworkers or neighbors.
If you censor them what will happen?
Let them speak and you will see who they really are.
History has shown capitalists don't give half a fuck about public safety or even common decency.These social media companies have billions of dollars and have not made the level of investment required to stop this.
There should be a dedicated team of hundreds worldwide at Facebook to monitor livestreams, and an algorithm for accounts that usually don't have that many views but are suddenly getting massive traffic on their livestream that will automatically place that livestream as a major priority for immediate review.
There should also be a delay on livestreams for unverified accounts.
Basically I'm saying these super duper smart tech companies are complete failures when it comes to public safety and I'm all for the government stepping in when they fail the next time.
He wants to be famous.
what good would that possibly do?
His name is already out there. And...
Why else do you think he had all those white supremacist terrorists' names on his guns?
Wait he did that too?Fam, a man who shoots someone's child and runs them over with a car is beyond redemption.
History has shown capitalists don't give half a fuck about public safety or even common decency.
It has to be forced on them every time.
Regulating social media should have been a conversation 10 years ago.
Close enough, but yeah.
Yeah, I realized that was stupid. Thanks.Please don't describe the attack.
Leader of the opposition publicly come out for banning semiautomatic weapons, so they're probably gone. I except we'll follow the Australian model.
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New Zealand showing America what progress really is like...good stuff.
good on them, everything the victims families are going through the last thing they need to worry about right now is costs like that.
New Zealand is doing such a good job in dealing with the aftermath of such a horrific event.
Just to clarify, the funeral costs and income compensation is not Jacinda Ardern going above and beyond specifically for the victims to pay their funeral costs.
Both of these are already existing entitlements though ACC (Accident Compensation Corporation), granted to any victims of murder or manslaughter, regardless of their citizenship or immigration status.
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6:52 PM - Mar 17, 2019
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The Australian gunman charged in the New Zealand twin mosque attack plans to represent himself, his court-appointed duty lawyer tells @AFP's @curious_scribe
11:16 PM - Mar 17, 2019
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Exclusive: Accused mosque gunman sacks lawyer and plans to defend himself, concern he'll use a trial as platform to promote beliefs http://nzh.nu/SRTP30o4We2
6:52 PM - Mar 17, 2019
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The Australian gunman charged in the New Zealand twin mosque attack plans to represent himself, his court-appointed duty lawyer tells @AFP's @curious_scribe
11:16 PM - Mar 17, 2019
All a matter of priorities. it's a choice.- within 10 days of the terrorist attack, gun law reform will be announced
Post-Cabinet meeting press conference summary with PM Jacinda Ardern and Deputy PM/Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters
Full video: https://www.facebook.com/jacindaardern/videos/546035515886781/
- reiterates free text/call hotline is available for people who are distressed or have mental health concerns due to the attack
- tomorrow, MPs will gather in Parliament for statements of condolence
- Jacinda returns to Christchurch on Wednesday to meet with first responders and families
- process of returning bodies to families is fully underway, aims to be completed on Wednesday
Cabinet meeting details
- Included members of Labour, NZ First and Green Party to discuss key issues around the attack
- Cabinet has made 'in-principle' decisions on gun laws (basically the outcome has been decided but the details are still to be worked out), more details before next Cabinet meeting next Monday
- within 10 days of the terrorist attack, gun law reform will be announced
- Cabinet was unified in decisions with no disagreement
- understands that gun owners may have concerns, says that they are not targeted by the reform, believes that most gun owners will be in favour of the changes
- reminds and encourages people that they can surrender their gun to the Police at any time, has heard reports that people are doing this
- there will be an Enquiry around the attack, regarding what each agencies knew, or could/should have known, the offender's activity regarding travel and gun ownership, his use of social media and relationships to others, and information sharing between agencies. Includes SIS, GCSB, Police, Customs, Immigration. Details being finalised
- preliminary discussions around official national commemorations, memorial date to be announced soon, but will not be this week to prioritise the families and their grieving
- funeral grant available through ACC for families of victims, up to $10,000
- Victim Support to finalise other support eg. transporting bodies overseas
- high police visibility to continue in Christchurch
Question time (questions and answers paraphrased)
Q. Are you saying a ban on semiautomatic weapons is coming?
JA: If anyone has concerns about the legality of a gun they own, or are concerned about public safety due to the attack, they are welcome to surrender that weapon. We have made in-principle decisions within 72 hours and are taking the time to finalise the details
Q. Will the changes involve semiautomatic weapons?
JA: I've said before that NZers question the availability of military style semiautomatic weapons. But details are still to come. When Australia were in the same position they took 12 days to make a decision, we took 72 hours.
Q. Was the decision hard to make/agree on?
JA: No, cabinet was unified. NZ First party supported them (Winston Peters states it was a Cabinet decision)
Q. What's changed since the original 2017 recommendations?
JA: Unsure if this had ever reached the Select Committee
WP: The reality is our world changed on Friday, and so must our laws
Q. Tell us about the spike in threatening/violent messages after the attack
JA: This is a trend that occurs in regions that experience these kinds of attacks. We are looking at the lessons and patterns around this cycle and are taking precautions. This is also why our terror threat level remains on High
Q. Have you spoken to Facebook since their last update
JA: Not directly, but we know that 1.5 million uploads of the video have been stopped, with 1.2 million of them stopped automatically at the upload stage. I call on social media platforms to demonstrate responsiblity around the content that leads to these events and the people that perpetuate hate speech and violent threats
Q. Has Facebook indicated their changes?
JA: They have sent condolences, are working proactively to shut down video sharing of the attack, they have acknowledged the issues around hate speech. My view is there is more that can and should be done
Q. Details on people panic-buying firearms?
JA: No official reports but I have heard anecdotes. I would advise people who are thinking of investing in firearms right now to be cautious and wait for certainty
Q. Did you talk to the Australian Foreign Minster about deporting the offender?
WP: We talked about their condolences and their offer of support
Q. Turkish President has used the livestream footage in his election campaign, do you think that's acceptable?
WP: I made it clear to Turkish Foreign Minister that it misrepresents our contry and imperils the safety of NZers and people abroad and is unfair. We did not bring about this disaster and they understood that
Q. Has the terror watchlist changed?
JA: No advice received
Q. National day of mourning?
JA: Yes, details to be announced. Giving time to families to buried their loved ones is priority. It won't be this week because of this
Q. Did Cabinet consider a moratorium on gun sales as the new legislation is finalised?
JA: Yes it was discussed but any details still to come
Q. Muslims have been warning the government for years about this, why wasn't more done?
JA: I have put this question to our agencies who have assured me that threats have always been followed up on. But this is not enough, which is why there will be an Enquiry to look into these kinds of issues
Q. Should there be a Royal Commission?
JA: No specific decision on the nature of Enquiry (Royal Commission, Public Enquiry, Ministerial Enquiry). But timeliness, public confidence, and classified information will be considered when deciding this
Q. Are you suggesting there was disagreement at Cabinet?
JA: No, cabinet was unified, the time taken is because law is complicated
Q. Will the Opposition support your proposed changes?
JA: It's up to them but I imagine they will be supportive
Q. Gun City owner wants to meet, would you be willing to see him
JA: Haven't received his request but would consider it
Q. Does Christchurch have a problem with racism?
JA: WP is right, the primary suspect was not a NZ citizen. However that is not to say that there aren't people in NZ who hold values and idea and use language that is completely counter to what the vast majority of NZers believe. We cannot ignore that and we must be aware of the fact that there are those who do not share our values of openness, diversity, compassion, and we must confront this as a nation
Q. Will you pull advertising from Google/FB?
JA: This has not been discussed today
Q. Attorney General said semiautomatic weapons would be banned and that went around the world
JA: I've spoken to him since then
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The Australian gunman charged in the New Zealand twin mosque attack plans to represent himself, his court-appointed duty lawyer tells @AFP's @curious_scribe
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I seems that thoughts and prayers are more effective than gun control.
He's definitely going to try to grandstand in front of the court and hope it's televised. They need to be ready to stop him
I remember when Occupy Wall St happened, 8 years ago, and everyone thought Banks were the most dangerous thing in the world
Sorry mate but the reason why people do these things is massively important, it's not acceptable to just go 'dude is just crazy' because that isn't an explanation.Whenever a tragedy like this happens we always blame
- A whole group of other people
- Their religions
- The laws
- Their upbringing
- Their friends
- Books
Let's blame the crazy person who did this, instead of causing even more subdivision and hate.
Why don't you tell that to the families of the victims.I mean, in the grand scheme of things unchecked capitalism is going to kill us all a lot faster than white supremacy will.
Sorry mate but the reason why people do these things is massively important, it's not acceptable to just go 'dude is just crazy' because that isn't an explanation.
True, but when hateful statements are made against groups who are able to read the same book without killing people, it just causes an even wider division and lights the fuse for the next attack.