How are so many fucking people here anti capitalist but can't figure out that an action can be legal but unethical?
The house has direct ties to her mother's side of the family, it's her childhood home that from the letter he suggests she clearly cares about.
Look if he wanted to sell it, maybe that's a different story
But there's no talk of selling from anyone
Ultimately obviously legally he can do whatever, morally he should give it to her for a myriad of reasons, including that it's lineage is to his dead wife's family.
Then when we add in the other option is the childhood friend of your daughter that you hooked up with a her wedding and then rushed into an engagement and moved her in and who has said crazy shit like I've loved this house since I was a child
Then the house especially should go to the daughter
You weren't asking me, but if this couple does have kids, then those kids (who are completely hypothetical anyway) are not morally entitled to that specific house. That house was passed down from the mother's line. It's not the daughter's responsibility to provide for them.
He's lucky he even has a chance to see his grandson at all. Fuck him.But that sort of ultimatum is fucking nuts from the daughter. Give me your house or never see your grandchildren again? Da fuq.
I'm not because there are currently no other children anyway
If we give legitimacy to generational inheritance I think we should value spousal inheritance above parent-child. You have a choice in who you marry, who your parents are is random. It's his house. And if the mother *really* wanted to give her house to her daughter instead of her husband, she would have written a will to that effect. Maybe she just never got around to it, or died unexpectedly? But without further info I'll assume she intended to give the house to her husband, who as someone else mentioned, half-owned it anyway.... I don't know what your point is with the second part of your post
Also you keep saying to split the house but outside of selling its money values, there is no realistic way to split a house among two families. The daughter doesn't want the house's financial value in money, she wants to live in the actual house because it has sentimental value.
The daughter comes off like an asshole.
Holding the grandkids hostage just so that she can relive some nostalgia through this childhood home.
Dude is better off standing his ground and passing it off to his current wife and future kids.
I'm honestly hoping this was a fake troll story or something.
Whether or not these stories are fake doesn't even matter. The way they bring out defense forces for some of the most absurd stuff is worthwhile.
People are REALLY messed up. And I just think its of some value to be reminded of that by discussions like this.
Guy is a creepy, I wouldn't let any child near him with house or without house
The age is irrelevant here.
That's not the reason she's withholding the grandkids from him. It's because of the house.
It wouldn't have made a difference if his new spouse was 25 or 45.
The age is irrelevant here.
That's not the reason she's withholding the grandkids from him. It's because of the house.
It wouldn't have made a difference if his new spouse was 25 or 45.
The daughter comes off like an asshole.
Holding the grandkids hostage just so that she can relive some nostalgia through this childhood home.
Dude is better off standing his ground and passing it off to his current wife and future kids.
I'm honestly hoping this was a fake troll story or something.
How is what she's doing more fucked up than fucking and marrying her childhood friend whom he's known since she was a literal child.
The problem isn't the age, it's the fact he knows his wife since she was a kid playing at his house
Why does that matter? 65 is young these days. If she also lived to 90 you're talking about her arguing the case for where she wants to spend her retirement, for a quarter of a century, in her childhood home that she adores. Just because she wouldn't benefit immediately doesn't mean it isn't worth considering now.When does she expect to live in the house though? He's 50 now. Let's say he lives till 90 and stays in the house. Say the daughter is 25; she would be 65 before she could live in it if she waits until she inherits it from his death. If she's 30, she'd be 70.
Again this is a complicated situation and you've only got the side of the story from the disturbing guy who lusts after middle school girls.Again, this doesn't matter to the daughter.
She is withholding relationships with the grandkids over the house, not the new spouse.
Regardless of who the father married, the daughter has every right to want some answers on what he plans to do with the house.
The only reason the dad has the house in the first place is that his in-laws passed it to him and his first wife. When something of that value is passed down, there is some intention it will remain in the family.
Because of that, I can't blame the daughter for some ultimatums. Her willingness to go this far is also justified because her father is going to marry someone her age.
💯Every time someone comes into this thread and weighs in on the daughters supposed entitlement while ignoring the likely grooming from the father I die a little more inside.
"Has little to no interaction"? According to the dad, Madison "fell in love with the house" since middle school. So, clearly, she has been at the house a lot...How well does one usually know their kids' friends? I understand Musk marrying his stepdaughter who he literally raised being weird, but if a parent knows of a friend but just knows their name and has little to no interaction with them and 20 years later happen to meet again and hook up, is that weird?
I really doubt she'd be like yeah hun leave the house to our child's friend you married despite knowing her since she was 10, instead of our daughter
Again this is a complicated situation and you've only got the side of the story from the disturbing guy who lusts after middle school girls.
But she would be fine with him giving the house to some other random woman instead of their daughter?
That's true. If the guy doesn't have kids, I'm all for the house going to the daughter. Kids or not I don't think the new wife is morally entitled to the house either way. But the fact is that the house was gifted to both the father and the mother. Moreover, the house is worth a lot of money. The kind of money that can significantly make a life easier. The daughter is already well-off. She can claim that she wants the house for sentimental value all she wants, but the fact is the house has value, and she would get that value. This cannot be ignored. I think the best moral outcome is for all the kids to get a piece of the pie.You weren't asking me, but if this couple does have kids, then those kids are not morally entitled to that specific house. That house was passed down from the mother's line. It's not the daughter's responsibility to provide for them.
There's likely no Vied for Victorian nor daughter nor house but that hasn't stopped you from making the thread and making 30+ posts in it.
Again, this doesn't matter to the daughter.
She is withholding relationships with the grandkids over the house, not the new spouse.
Why does that matter? 65 is young these days. If she also lived to 90 you're talking about her arguing the case for where she wants to spend her retirement, for a quarter of a century, in her childhood home that she adores. Just because she wouldn't benefit immediately doesn't mean it isn't worth considering now.
Is the wife a young adult? If not and it's been a while since the wife and husband were in contact then this doesn't seem like a grooming situation
There's likely no Vied for Victorian nor daughter nor house but that hasn't stopped you from making the thread and making 30+ posts in it.
The fact this has to be asked......🤦🏾♂️How well does one usually know their kids' friends? I understand Musk marrying his stepdaughter who he literally raised being weird, but if a parent knows of a friend but just knows their name and has little to no interaction with them and 20 years later happen to meet again and hook up, is that weird?
The issue youre having is you're ignoring all the fictional stories from people who have no clue whatsoever about the history of these three people. You should really consider their embellishments and judge accordingly.Again, this doesn't matter to the daughter.
She is withholding relationships with the grandkids over the house, not the new spouse.
That's true. If the guy doesn't have kids, I'm all for the house going to the daughter. Kids or not I don't think the new wife is morally entitled to the house either way. But the fact is that the house was gifted to both the father and the mother. Moreover, the house is worth a lot of money. The kind of money that can significantly make a life easier. The daughter is already well-off. She can claim that she wants the house for sentimental value all she wants, but the fact is the house has value, and she would get that value. This cannot be ignored. I think the best moral outcome is for all the kids to get a piece of the pie.
The thing is, she'd still have that problem even if the woman wasn't her childhood friend. Does she do the same if it was someone else?Sure the new spouse being her childhood friend has nothing to do with it...
Sure the new spouse being her childhood friend has nothing to do with it...
The thing is, she'd still have that problem even if the woman wasn't her childhood friend. Does she do the same if it was someone else?
But she would be fine with him giving the house to some other random woman instead of their daughter?
We have no idea, but I assume that at least she would feel less hurt
You are the best.To be very clear when people talk about rape culture, this thread is part of that too. Child grooming and pedophilia are part of this. Every single person posting in this thread who is so willing to ignore the creepy fucking grooming situation is contributing to rape culture.
I have never been more disturbed sharing space with randos on the internet than participating in this thread.To be very clear when people talk about rape culture, this thread is part of that too. Child grooming and pedophilia are part of this. Every single person posting in this thread who is so willing to ignore the creepy fucking grooming situation is contributing to rape culture.
Probably not, speaking as someone whose dad has a house that will likely go to his girlfriend rather than to me and my brothers. I'm not at all upset at this, because a) my dad's girlfriend was his own age and already had her own family (and grandkids), and b) my dad bought the house himself back in the day. If my dad had inherited the house from my deceased mom's parents and had then married my middle school classmate and the house would go to this classmate and her kids, I'd be disgusted and probably livid, yes. This surely cannot be that hard to grasp?The thing is, she'd still have that problem even if the woman wasn't her childhood friend. Does she do the same if it was someone else?
Come on, there's a huge difference between reasonable wishes a deceased spouse might have had like 'I hope you find love again after I'm gone' and 'please don't marry our kids schoolfriends'.
House should remain in her mother's bloodline. ie go to her daughter.
EwwwwwwwwMaybe they were more amenable due to having previously met when she was his daughter's childhood friend, but I don't think that in itself is an issue
Fair points. I agree with you that her perspective on where her true family home is may change over the next 30+ years, but expressing fears about being frozen out of her inheritance by her school friend marrying her dad is perfectly rational too, as is her feelings about the house in question in the moment.I'm not saying it's not worth considering the long term stakes of things; I'm just wondering if that's a feasible outcome that one should really set their heart on, especially when you're about to raise your own family and you'll be generating all sorts of memories in the house that you'll be living in while that happens during whatever this 30 or 40 year period that could be before you gain access to the other house. Does the house that you raised a family in and lived longer in have less meaning than the one you grew up in? I would think one's perspective would change. That said, she absolutely should be looking out for herself and her family for the long term and that includes a stake in a house valued at $2 million.
So his 20 year plan all along was to groom the friend and then strike at his daughters wedding, where the woman may or not actually happen to be at?To be very clear when people talk about rape culture, this thread is part of that too. Child grooming and pedophilia are part of this. Every single person posting in this thread who is so willing to ignore the creepy fucking grooming situation is contributing to rape culture.