Many QoL features from Pokemon Legends: Arceus like watching the Exp animation outside battle etc are gone in Pokemon SV
- Thread starter Personablue
- Start date
Pokemon games make you to decide about your new moves because you are going to use that moves! It's an important thing.
In Arceus is *not* an important thing. You don't even need to do battles, it makes sense that it's not important. The "capture everything that you see" incentives that you don't really have "a team", just a constant flux of new Pokemon that you don't care about.
It makes sense because you are not trainer, you are a researcher, Pokemon are not your friends or whatever, they are just subjects of research.
Well apologies if I missed them in this thread. But I don't think someone has to prefer Arceus to traditional pokemon games to think the QOL improvements are an objective improvement and are a no-brainer to become standard going forward.
- SV has been in development for 3 years. It is a global simultaneous release. By the time PLA released it was already in its final months of development. We don't know yet if they will absorb more of Legends into the main gens core gameplay in the future, there was not been enough time to make major core gameplay changes to SV without it being shoehorned
- Still yet to be seen if Legends will continue as its own series, further negating the need to absorb all of the features
Wait until gen 10 and another possible Legends game, then we can have a better discussion on this.
- Still yet to be seen if Legends will continue as its own series, further negating the need to absorb all of the features
Wait until gen 10 and another possible Legends game, then we can have a better discussion on this.
They're not. They suit Arceus because its a game where combat not only isnt required, but its actually disencouraged and the worst way to deal with anything. On the mainline experience, the "QoL" ends up being detrimental because the focus on combat actually require you caring about the moves, items, abilities and all that jazz that Arceus cut cause "pokeball goes brrrrrlll". Different philosophies for different games. "oh but how isnt a faster snappier battle system an improvement check mate" i challenge you to produce one, just one person that have said they dont want the battle system to be snappier. the 'features' people dont want from arceus are others.
Wanting the Arceus catching mechanics and the traditional Pokémon Trainer and Gym battle structure are not mutually exclusive. I don't think anyone here is arguing for a carbon copy of Arceus as a mainline title. A lot of us, including myself, just want them to incorporate the improved catching system into the traditional Trainer / Gym battle structure.
It's really disappointing. Arceus had really good and snappy flow in and out of battles. It's going to suck going back to the clunky feel of the pre Arceus games. I don't mind the catching mechanics going back; but going back to "trashmon you're only leveling up to get the Evo in the dex is trying to learn move you don't care about......... Do you want to replace a move.........?" suuuucks.
I bet evolving from the menu is gone too...
I bet evolving from the menu is gone too...
I really don't understand the underlined point. In Arceus I loved seeing all my mons level up at once, seeing the icons for new stuff, and then diving into the menu to mess with all the new stats/moves/evolutions/etc on my own terms, without an avalanche of text boxes getting in the way. I'd love it even more in a game with an actual focus on combat.
Yes I agree. Maybe my wording was wrong but thats p much what I meant.
I hate the notion that things have to be sluggish and inelegantly inefficient to be authentic to the "traditional" Pokémon experience.
Slightly disappointed about the text box stuff. Not sure how intrusive it will be. If it's combat related that's fine but I don't need a pop-up every time I pick up a potion. But for the move stuff, I frequently forgot to change moves in Arceus so that helps me (and probably only me)
Pokeballs outside of combat is kind of a bummer.
I did get sick of it in Arceus but that was after hour 80 and shiny hunting. The thought of constantly having to wittle down health and spend ages throwing ultraballs at sleeping, frozen pokemon at 1HP is just exhausting.
I mean, I'm still gonna play it.
Pokeballs outside of combat is kind of a bummer.
I did get sick of it in Arceus but that was after hour 80 and shiny hunting. The thought of constantly having to wittle down health and spend ages throwing ultraballs at sleeping, frozen pokemon at 1HP is just exhausting.
I mean, I'm still gonna play it.
Thats you. I hated missing up on a new useful move cause the messages went so fast while i was focused on something else and i would only realized i had a better move than ember ten levels later. I never cared for not evolving a pokemon as soon as it could and having to do it on a menu later annoyed me. Thats just me too and you can say thats on me being dumb or whatever. Point is its not objectively better because you prefer it, having your new moves and power explained to you when you get them (which is not often enough for them to be as unbearable as the arceus defenders pretend they are) instead of when you remember to swim through menus to see them isnt worse, just different. and actually is far easier to make an argument that letting players know their new toys when they get them instead of leaving it for them to find out on their own is better.
the unbearable tedium of having to click three extra text boxes every three or four hours. the horror!
i mean we haven't exactly seen how the game actually plays out before saying its sluggish tho.
It feels like people are rushing to a conclusion here.
To be disappointed you have to be expecting something in the first place. Game Freak rarely, if ever, does iteration across its games. At least not for the best features that would be greatly welcome in successive games.
There's stuff I would like to see in PLA in mainline games to make them faster to pick up and play and more snappy in general, but at the end of the day I don't know why anyone expected anything from PLA to transfer over immediately when it was developed alongside this one with a pretty different gameplay loop to boot.
I mean, they are separate teams and sub-series. So this may be the way it is with the next two after SV as well
This one i would also love to keep despite seeing how it could change the balance on a game where you actually have to fight stuff (as in, being out of PP never being a thing ever again since you could just change moves any time). It encourages building a lot more varied movesets when you dont need to go through the hassle of deleting and remembering stuff all the time.
But i doubt it will. Gamefreak loves their dumb move teacher/eraser/reminder npcs with dumb collectibles
PLA and mainline games, even an open world version of mainline games, are two entirely separate beasts that share a universe.
To put it simply, PLA is a Pokemon catching game with incidental battles. Mainline titles are Pokemon battling games where the catching is in service of the battles. A lot of these features are QoL improvements in PLA because they're backgrounding aspects of battle in a game where battling is a secondary concern and easing aspects of capture in a game where capturing is the primary concern.
For a more casual audience, backgrounding many of these elements (exp growth, battle state info, move changes) would make the battling more opaque in a game where battles are the primary concern.
As for the catch mechanics?
PLA has inflated catch rates because battling is secondary. They want you to be able to catch dozens of the same Pokemon without having to go through the tedium of battling dozens of the same Pokemon.
In mainline titles battling is the point. And while you can occasionally get a lucky toss, the game wants you to battle Pokemon in order to catch them and don't expect you to try and collect 15 Parasects, so the catch rate is significantly lower.
If you don't like that, perhaps you just don't like mainline Pokemon as a game, even if you like Pokemon as a setting.
There are much bigger, much less reasonable issues at hand. Like the kneecapped customization wrt clothing.
To put it simply, PLA is a Pokemon catching game with incidental battles. Mainline titles are Pokemon battling games where the catching is in service of the battles. A lot of these features are QoL improvements in PLA because they're backgrounding aspects of battle in a game where battling is a secondary concern and easing aspects of capture in a game where capturing is the primary concern.
For a more casual audience, backgrounding many of these elements (exp growth, battle state info, move changes) would make the battling more opaque in a game where battles are the primary concern.
As for the catch mechanics?
PLA has inflated catch rates because battling is secondary. They want you to be able to catch dozens of the same Pokemon without having to go through the tedium of battling dozens of the same Pokemon.
In mainline titles battling is the point. And while you can occasionally get a lucky toss, the game wants you to battle Pokemon in order to catch them and don't expect you to try and collect 15 Parasects, so the catch rate is significantly lower.
If you don't like that, perhaps you just don't like mainline Pokemon as a game, even if you like Pokemon as a setting.
There are much bigger, much less reasonable issues at hand. Like the kneecapped customization wrt clothing.
I don't mind that it doesn't take all the qol Legends had. The game just needs to be snappy and fast. Battles in SwSh and even more so BDSP were a slog.
I just want to be able to throw my pokeballs and run around during battle like arceus. That stuff added so much to the experience for me. Letting me toss the ball to start a battle is better than running into a Pokémon and entering a battle screen. I don't mind catching going back to traditional at all.
Yeah most of those aren't an issue for me, I never had an issue with the more oldschool style and "tedium" so a more traditional pokemon JRPG with an open world is plenty enough for me.
Ah, you get to see the Pokémon's artwork in game now, that's neat.
But yes it's a tad disappointing about for the general speed of the game, doesn't bother me too much but if they want to stay classic like Dragon Quest, we better hope they continue making Legends games.
But yes it's a tad disappointing about for the general speed of the game, doesn't bother me too much but if they want to stay classic like Dragon Quest, we better hope they continue making Legends games.
That's nonsense. QoL improvements carry over and they always listen
Just because Battle Frontier etc. doesn't come back and create feature bloat doesn't mean they don't carry QoL over. Come on
Arceus was the most fun Pokemon game in an age so naturally that can't be in the mainline games! Wouldn't want to have too much fun would we? :|
Just like Let's Go! -> Sword/Shield they decide to ignore the REALLY good bits from the experimental game and just carry on doing the same boring slog menu battles because they're too scared to change it. I honestly was expecting some sort of mixture, the best bits of Arceus mixed with mainline play into some sort of awesome hybrid.
Absolutely sucks, next you'll be telling me shinys don't pop on screen in the wild either.
Just like Let's Go! -> Sword/Shield they decide to ignore the REALLY good bits from the experimental game and just carry on doing the same boring slog menu battles because they're too scared to change it. I honestly was expecting some sort of mixture, the best bits of Arceus mixed with mainline play into some sort of awesome hybrid.
Absolutely sucks, next you'll be telling me shinys don't pop on screen in the wild either.
See, now this I can see being a useful function of the older "forget a move" mechanic, and you could easily meet this in the middle. Arceus style notification when you level up outside of battle so it's not wasting your time (especially if you're spamming Rare Candies), prompt a move deletion in battle so you can use it immediately as described.
What good bits did they ignore from Let's Go? Since they kept overworld Pokémon due to Let's Go feedback, and candies etc.
If this means the mechanics and systems introduced in PLA will be iterated and evolved in a new Legends game and sub-series, GREAT!
If this means there won't be a new Legends game and Game Freak is AGAIN for the UMPTEENTH TIME ignoring real advancements a previous installment in the Pokemon franchise made to faff about in their new entry (COUGHswshCOUGH), then not so great.
If this means there won't be a new Legends game and Game Freak is AGAIN for the UMPTEENTH TIME ignoring real advancements a previous installment in the Pokemon franchise made to faff about in their new entry (COUGHswshCOUGH), then not so great.
Shiny chaining and real overworld Pokemon. As in what you see out on the field is literally what you'll get when you go into battle. The wild area would have been way more fun/exciting if you could see shinys.
I will admit not being able to initiate a battle with my chosen Pokémon with the throw of a ball is lame as fuck. That should be here. And I'll miss shiny hunting actually being fun. Hopefully shiny Pokémon appear as such in the open world at least.
What you see in the field is what you get in battle in SWSH, aside from Shiny. That's a very weird way of phrasing this.
Shiny chaining doesn't even work the way everyone thought it did, only affected the next spawn, nothing after
Because they chose not to, but yeah let's ignore all the others and pretend EXP Share is the example rather than the exception
Okay, so
Nowhere does it say all, ever, or never.
I know this series is your bread and butter but you really need to stop kneejerk defending it anytime someone says something even mildly critical
Aside from the best and most exciting bit... seeing a shiny in the wild, I had no reason to stop and look at them.
By the time the positive reception was garnered, this game was more than likely locked down already.
