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Have fun with the thread going forward! I think you'll find your "contributions" much more accepted in the future!
You're here and just show that all you wanna do is shitpost and have not read up what the fuck happened.
Do us a favor and cry us a river elsewhere. It is getting pathetic how you self-victimize
And yet many lurkers came out from the woodwork to voice disagreement about the ban.
Curious.
Curious.
As a lurker here, I feel the need to speak up.
So not only did CVX didn't get banned for a pre-meditated attack on Chris, they also get to remain a mod.
Bruno meanwhile got banned for a rather tame comment on twitter.
I'll let y'all fill in the pieces here. Most of the rules don't really apply to the mods.
So not only did CVX didn't get banned for a pre-meditated attack on Chris, they also get to remain a mod.
Bruno meanwhile got banned for a rather tame comment on twitter.
I'll let y'all fill in the pieces here. Most of the rules don't really apply to the mods.
He has yet to read Matsuyama's book, ERA's redemption tool.
Hey if you don't want to respond then don't but incase you read this:
Sure, in some cases you might get dogpiled. It happened before and it will happen again for sure. The community isn't perfect.
That being said, you are being dogpiled because you are wrong. People are pointing out why that is.
It is not about a one day ban. It is more than that.
You shitposted and got rightly criticized for it. Stop playing the victim.
More like people who decided to leave know that this will be a recurring issue and mods have no solutions going forward. You are just yet another perfect example.
My favorite deflection from these sort of posters agreeing that we deserved this was the fact someone actually tried to use you as a shield when you were actively disagreeing with everything that was transpiring.
This entire situation is solely on eras moderation team being absolutely unqualified to handle this thread. Chris being banned is the straw that broke the camels back for over a years worth of trolling going unmoderated in MC threads. The entire team knew it was an issue and still decided to sit on the issue and not find trust worthy individuals from the sales era community to help moderate this thread sooner. Instead they took action this week only to ban the person that pushed back against the trolling the hardest and imposing new rules that everyone that frequents the threads knew wouldn't help with any of the issues.
why stay here if this is how the people running the site choose to handle the threads issues?
I understand what you wanna say, but Chris nor anybody else should care about what random people on the web think or miss out, since he is the one who is putting all this work into these theards, unpaid, in his free time. And if he thinks he can't do this anymore without the least amount of respect and gratitude and have fun discussing things who are just as interested in these topics as him, he has every right to leave.
He doesn't own anyone anything, just like this staff doesn't really own us anything. But that has, like everything in life consequences
You are being dogpiled because you write dumb shit that makes no sense.
Miss me with this victimism because it's not helping anyone right now.
See, I do agree very much with this. Some of the regulars could be a bit hostile and passive aggressive at times, but that behavior was explicitly and clearly caused by the long line of trolls that would go without action for so long. And then their alt accounts which usually showed up after they eventually slipped up.
But I'm a regular in these threads, so I can notice these patterns. I definitely get how outsiders don't notice those. Therefore the main problem here was that regulars were clearly not consulted here in order to impart any sort of understanding of these threads' dynamics.
Simply asking a couple regulars (many of us have clean records too) about what was going on would have avoided probably all of this.
Why should he. Absence = not posting anything. Simple as that. No work for anyone.
Heck he has been active on twitter all day long as nothing happened.
Bro what are you saying? People are criticizing your comment and now you are pretending to act as if you're innocent and that people are dogpiling you. You can't just come in this thread and be condescending towards people who participated in this community.
A little bit of sympathy goes a long way.
Don't put the blame on victims and act like they should keep quiet.
I also want to adress the supposed "toxicity" of this thread/community and the fact they aren't "newbie friendly". These are bold faced lies. I was a newcomer here and was treated with kindness and respect by everyone. When I had genuine question, everyone were quick to answer as they could and even provide resources such as GDL(Game Data Library), past MC Threads, CESA Whitepaper, etc. And regarding Chris specifically, he was incredible kind to me. Always answered me and provided data. All of that was achieved because I wasn't trolling people and wanted to truly be part of this community. Media-Create threads were the reason I came to ERA and is sad to see being erased because of moderation errors, malicious intent from cvxfreak, trolling and whatnot. In just a week, ERA staff killed years of data and community.
Think about what. Because there's data and data points the real situation. There's no my side and other side. There's just opinion based on data. If you come to troll, yes, people will correct you. There's no point of painting yourselves as victim when you aren't.
Long time lurker of sales threads for many years dating back to old site.
Real shame re Chris, would also appreciate a pm if he continues his sales work elsewhere.
Real shame re Chris, would also appreciate a pm if he continues his sales work elsewhere.
Not my experience, unfortunately. Aside from a few users, it feels like like I'm attacked by a gang of wolves by being positive about what I find positive (but they don't see it the same way that I do, which is obviously fine but no need for such aggressivity).
If the moderation wasn't to actually try to right this wrong and fix this situation, we need a couple of things address immediately:
But this is the bare minimum.
- Situation with Bruno needs to be clearly addressed.
- Chris needs to be reached out to be moderation and issued a proper apology.
- The community needs to be *trusted* and borderline insulting guidelines should not be slapped on the community with no community input.
But this is the bare minimum.
It's blatantly obvious they didn't have any interest in communicating with any of the regular posters, even after the whole thing blew up in everyone's face there was no attempt to communicate with the few of us that hadn't been unceremoniously banned.
They would need to address the cvxfreak timezone thing as well and even then it's too late. Too many people are already gone.
I'd also say a substantial amount of the other bans also need to be overturned from this thread on that day.
Era is just a forum, a mere tool for people to speak with each other and as such ultimately replacable. It's totally fair for a sub-community to search for or establish a new place if they don't think their discussions are being appreciated. This would be a loss for everyone involved - Era loses what gives these threads life, the sales community loses the discoverbility a large forum brings - but still a completely fair and understandable course of action.
Can bruno be unbanned? I'm not sure of what was said, but from what I gather it was criticizing the moderation of ERA with this whole situation, isn't a perma-ban rather harsh for that when at the moment the situation seems to justify such a post to criticize the way this is handled?
I get that we missed the mark on Caiops and I'm not disagreeing with your point at all. I'm trying to explain why there was a failure of the system to understand that Caiops was a troll. Personally, and this is because I'm a stupid person not speaking for a single other mod on the site, I find trying to discern trolls in Sales threads fairly difficult because you also are able to use real sales data to obfuscate your troll. And yeah, I get the response to that is "if you can't figure it out why do you have this job", I told you, I'm stupid. But I think sometimes the obviousness within the community does not come across to those of us who are dealing with multiple different reports in multiple different communities with nuances that we are trying to learn about given that it's probably impossible for our mod staff to have members who take part in literally every single community on this board. That's why the ticket with the screenshots from the Brazilian message board was a little personally frustrating to me -- so, it was known that this user was posting on a Brazilian message board talking about how they don't care about Japanese sales? Yes, that gives us the necessary context now in this thread to make a decision. But if you all know about and we don't, then we can't use that information. We can look at post history, but at some point, we are going to need more help than just a report that says "trolling."
Again, I can't talk for the mod team, I'm more just talking for myself about experiencing the report system from the other side after being on ***/ERA for a while.
I don't know if you'll find this post useful or just frustrating, I'm just trying to explain a little more of our side's context.
This went entirely as expected, most moves would result in a bad outcome, except moves that have them take complete accountability, with real consequences, to the staff involved, though even that would not have fixed things and returned them as they were before, but it'd have left a better precedent. Maybe it'll come to that after enough pushback from the community, but that shouldn't have be required to reach that point.
I do wonder who was consulted for this. If I may ask, which events lead you to put Cvxfreak to the task of following the thread? Was the constant reports on trolling, or the reports of "hostile attitude towards new members"?
Which were the "issues in the community" that moved you to act?
Same. I rarely post in these threads but will come in every now and then, as I have for years to take a look at the numbers and the discussion. It'll be sad to see another community leaving this site.
User Banned (1 Month): Backseat moderation on an inflammatory comparison . Ban extended to permanent after doubling down via ticket
So making a comparison to a mod abusing his power in malicious intend and getting aways with it with a cop absuing his power and getting away with it will result in a ban? Way to de escalate things here.
I've been an avid reader of these threads for over a decade, but I don't post that much. I didn't post anything since this started rolling because I didn't think something good would come out of it. I'll continue withholding most of my opinions, but I'm not sure if there's a way to take the latest updates in good faith, what with weird irrelevant points about time zones and ignoring the biggest issues of the incident.
I don't really know if this community can continue, this whole ordeal has been a pretty major blow to it. Hopefully it will be able to rebuild, and hopefully I can take some part in it again, but I don't think there's much, if any, confidence that this can happen here.
I don't really know if this community can continue, this whole ordeal has been a pretty major blow to it. Hopefully it will be able to rebuild, and hopefully I can take some part in it again, but I don't think there's much, if any, confidence that this can happen here.
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This is a pattern and this gee golly shucks act ain't cutting it. It might be true for you, personally, as an individual, but it ain't true overall.
This happens consistently within communities. The long time posters aren't consulted. Their reports are ignored. And suddenly, when the new people who are getting reported start reporting, suddenly the bans start to flow for the people who have been trying to get y'all to act for months.
This is a pattern and this gee golly shucks act ain't cutting it. It might be true for you, personally, as an individual, but it ain't true overall.
The only way the community was going to be repaired was apologizing profusely to Chris and the community, followed by real accountability. I'm incredibly disappointed. The sales community can't possibly have confidence now.
Keep in touch everyone. If Chris decides to settle somewhere else, I definitely want to know.
Keep in touch everyone. If Chris decides to settle somewhere else, I definitely want to know.
Wow just read some ot these pages. A great contributor (Chris as well as others) got banned then page 27 (I believe) transformed into a graveyard.
It has been quite a dark week for the site.
It has been quite a dark week for the site.
Sorry but this is very difficult to believe considering everything that's happened and the predictable result.
This! As you said, it's the bare minimum.
I also would want to know that too. Someone who barely posted on these threads at all is the chosen to be the moderator for these threads. Why? Yes, he has history sparking from SalesAGE but he wasn't a regular anymore and as we can see, had malicious intent. Why did the staff choose him at all instead of a regular and active SalesERA member?
Same here please. Haven't posted in the mc threads in a while but always liked reading the opinions and analysis of a lot of the regulars, even before on the old forum.
Also I always enjoyed the work that mazi and others did in regards to OTs and stuff so I'm beyond disappointed to see the way they been treated and to see them leave in these circumstances.
Yeah Bruno getting banned for simply name dropping an admin on Twitter, only for a mod to off site directly talk Chris that way and get away with it is absolutely ridiculous.
I really wished for a miracle and an actual effort to save this community but thankfully I didn't get my hopes up.
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