Mini Mafia VII: Nightless Mafia |OT| Oops, All Day Phase
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It was the most low info kill of low info kills. There's not much to go off of, yeah, but trying to speculate why and where scum is in relation to the kill is just pointless noise. We're not going to find the answer that way, so what's the point of wasting time on it other than to make some noise to hide in. I wouldn't humor this kind of speculation if it was a night kill and there's no way I'm going to when the kill was on a strong town player who hadn't even posted yet.
Tbh I mentioned you because my tipsy brain said your vibes were off. I'll read your stuff over when I can and get a proper read.
If Sparks flips scum I'd look at Alexem
That's kinda what I mean? It could just be an honest interest on your part to see what happens but it really does feel like busy work you can say, "could be used or could not be idk".
Don't hate my shit posting just cause you stopped. :p
Jokes aside I was being silly but those are my thoughts on the game without an actual indepth, sober look. It's a mini and I'ma do whatever the fuck. Try new things. Be bold. If you got issues with something specific I'll hear em unless it's just 'weird intro'
See my above response to chuggs. In my mind he either shoots someone just to see the chaos since I could see Sparks somehow hitting true. Or he's actually scum and that's settled and isn't a problem later. Either way he's solved since there's no way to solve him outside of reading and I'll be damned if I can do that well.
Aayyyy.
Tho y'all seem ready to kill zipped so idk
tbh i read sneeks' lack of involvement so far as genuine. i don't see a scum sneeks as shy. basically I would find it v disappointing if this was her scum play. v disappointing 😞.
I mean, I could see anyone shooting true too, with a ~30% chance, in fact. I'm not interested in lunching someone I think might have good luck, I want to lunch mafia.
I agree about him being a good target if what we want is to solve someone that's usually hard to read, but you're losing me with that other hunch stuff.
i am agreeing on this part
Wow, you're young. That puppy's really cute, and having had this experience, I now believe I should be rewarded with puppy pics everytime I check this thread tbh.
Hey let's lunch Hedin, who's with me? Gotta make the game go somewhere.
Hey let's lunch Hedin, who's with me? Gotta make the game go somewhere.
I'm not but yes I at least agree that we need to push this thing along.
Understandable, but I'd like to clarify my earlier point:
Sparks can be a real question mark - I get that, I've been there. I'm not averse to his elimination if there are doubts about him, and I wouldn't argue against a mis-killed townie using their shot on him to nip the matter in the bud early on. My worry is that if Sparks is town and he's the first to go, I think he'd be more inclined to use his shot randomly than with purpose. I could be wrong about that - I'm not Sparks, after all - but I know that he has a tendency to be unpredictable and it doesn't always work to town's advantage. I also think that he can also be an easy target for scum looking to push a mis-kill - unfortunately, his play style as town can often be painted as anti-town for scum's benefit. I don't think 'let's whack him and see what he does' is a very good reason to take him out at this point.
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i personally was at work. but am still waiting on clarification from Zipp. maybe he'll deliver. pup photos or no i have not forgotten this slander.
Haven't decided yet as I haven't had a chance to read over everything. Gonna do that tonight or tomorrow if I can't get to it. I was just surprised to see things so quiet given we still haven't reached a consensus.
Doing this in chunks so I don't forget my thoughts. Also easier to read than a big text wall.
This is oddly hyper specific in a way that doesn't feel right. Why jump to this conclusion instead of just delay on the gamerunners part, delay on scum's part, etc?
Quoting this to say I like it, it feels townie trying to understand why this happened and the risks involved.
Considering that most of his posts are responses this feels weird. Yeah he's talking about it a lot but it's also early D1 and a kill happened for a reason, even if we don't know that reason. If you're suspect on diverting attention (away from what?) why not mention the people who said nothing about the NK at this point. That's melon and HP.
Why say this about zipped and not Alexem, Hedin, Donnie, or Febe? They all posted speculation about the kill as well and yet you don't bring them up.
Really wasn't sure if catch up tonight seeing as it's 5 pages of game but then reading I realized it's mostly Sparks noise. :u
Donnie I'd like to see an answer here too.
If zipped flips town what are you doing.
No comment on ATP being shot before he can say a word?
Yeah, on a reread I'm kinda in this camp too. It's WIFOM but it's at least trying to do something instead of sitting to the side or making generalizations and nothing else. Zipped probably wouldn't get my vote pending the responses of his return.
For now?
Vote: MrHedin
For making Zipped seem like a bigger problem than he actually is. Referenced above but Zipped has the crime of responding to questions about his theory and not much else, whereas those who also posted theories or said nothing at all don't get in Hedin's list for some reason.
Also getting bad vibes from Chuggs with his easy questions and very little deep solving on his end. He's skimming the surface and that feels wrong for a town chuggs. Chuggs and Hedin would not be wolf/wolf though due to the same vote.
As for Zipped and by extension ATP I have a few thoughts. I don't think zipped pulling out his theory is anything suspect, in fact it shows he's at least trying to figure it out. My thoughts I've had while reading and finally rereading are kind of inline with his, though I came to a different conclusion. There's just too little there to get anywhere with it - though I'm sure post game we will see it either made-or-broke the scum team and how obvious it apparently was. Scum could've waited until post kill to enter, they could've posted early, it could've been gamerunners delay, it could be half before and half after, ATP could've known a scum player and they were scared of being caught immediately, it could've been random - there's just too many possibilities and not enough information to narrow it down. But I still ran through it and tried to see if there was anything to gain. It's also why I'm posting about it since, hey, maybe it is important later. I don't know, but I have nothing to gain by holding this to myself when scum have the advantage here. So getting on Zipped's case for it is dumb.
Alexem has good solving that I like a lot on a reread. There's a thought process you can follow as he tries to work things out rather than taking it at face value and going for the easy route.
Donnie falls into the same category but with a caveat. There's a part of me that keeps saying something is wrong with his solving attempts, like it's trying too much to answer the question as 'correctly' as possible. Nervous, trying to please kinda feel. One I'd watch but this vibe can be chalked up to being new.
Not much else to say. Nin seemed fine/good but the vote was bad and just seemed easy. Febe is here but I'm getting nothing. Melon I'm not sure. HP is a ghost. Sparks I can't read for shit.
It's all I got. Seeing as we have no night phase and this is a marathon event with no breaks it'll be better to pace ourselves and come to an agreement quicker than drag things out. But be aware that scum absolutely have the upper hand in this one by a huge margin and we gotta be ready to reassess our positions after a flip.
Vote: MrHedin
For making Zipped seem like a bigger problem than he actually is. Referenced above but Zipped has the crime of responding to questions about his theory and not much else, whereas those who also posted theories or said nothing at all don't get in Hedin's list for some reason.
Also getting bad vibes from Chuggs with his easy questions and very little deep solving on his end. He's skimming the surface and that feels wrong for a town chuggs. Chuggs and Hedin would not be wolf/wolf though due to the same vote.
As for Zipped and by extension ATP I have a few thoughts. I don't think zipped pulling out his theory is anything suspect, in fact it shows he's at least trying to figure it out. My thoughts I've had while reading and finally rereading are kind of inline with his, though I came to a different conclusion. There's just too little there to get anywhere with it - though I'm sure post game we will see it either made-or-broke the scum team and how obvious it apparently was. Scum could've waited until post kill to enter, they could've posted early, it could've been gamerunners delay, it could be half before and half after, ATP could've known a scum player and they were scared of being caught immediately, it could've been random - there's just too many possibilities and not enough information to narrow it down. But I still ran through it and tried to see if there was anything to gain. It's also why I'm posting about it since, hey, maybe it is important later. I don't know, but I have nothing to gain by holding this to myself when scum have the advantage here. So getting on Zipped's case for it is dumb.
Alexem has good solving that I like a lot on a reread. There's a thought process you can follow as he tries to work things out rather than taking it at face value and going for the easy route.
Donnie falls into the same category but with a caveat. There's a part of me that keeps saying something is wrong with his solving attempts, like it's trying too much to answer the question as 'correctly' as possible. Nervous, trying to please kinda feel. One I'd watch but this vibe can be chalked up to being new.
Not much else to say. Nin seemed fine/good but the vote was bad and just seemed easy. Febe is here but I'm getting nothing. Melon I'm not sure. HP is a ghost. Sparks I can't read for shit.
It's all I got. Seeing as we have no night phase and this is a marathon event with no breaks it'll be better to pace ourselves and come to an agreement quicker than drag things out. But be aware that scum absolutely have the upper hand in this one by a huge margin and we gotta be ready to reassess our positions after a flip.
Okay one last thing before I go to bed. I'm operating on this by looking at what would happen to Zipped in the case of flipping either alignment since majority is needed for a vote and we will likely need to compromise at some point. I'd also recommend people look at it this way too since we just keep going after a kill.
Town:
Chuggs, Hedin, nin, donnie all look worse. However, they are not all scum together. Future votes would need to be looked at. Could be two scum here but it would be far apart, like Hedin/Donnie or something.
If Hedin is also Town then consider scum don't care too much and are likely hanging back and taking potshots. Chuggs is the biggest sinner here. I'd argue melon, HP are too.
Scum;
Hedin and Chuggs both look real damn good. Nin does slightly but his conclusion still feels weird given his posts up to that point but early bus would be bold. Donnie does too but again, I have a pause on him. Donnie/nin not scummates.
People who pushed Hedin are probably suspect. Reassess Alexem for sure.
Febe looks worse.
Hedin also gets one but he weirdly doesn't have as many connections as zipped does. I'll wait for his response to my stuff above.
Town:
Chuggs, Hedin, nin, donnie all look worse. However, they are not all scum together. Future votes would need to be looked at. Could be two scum here but it would be far apart, like Hedin/Donnie or something.
If Hedin is also Town then consider scum don't care too much and are likely hanging back and taking potshots. Chuggs is the biggest sinner here. I'd argue melon, HP are too.
Scum;
Hedin and Chuggs both look real damn good. Nin does slightly but his conclusion still feels weird given his posts up to that point but early bus would be bold. Donnie does too but again, I have a pause on him. Donnie/nin not scummates.
People who pushed Hedin are probably suspect. Reassess Alexem for sure.
Febe looks worse.
Hedin also gets one but he weirdly doesn't have as many connections as zipped does. I'll wait for his response to my stuff above.
No particular reservations at this time, it's my first ever vote so I went with that I think is the only real line of logic we can apply in a situation with almost nothing to go on. Chuggs vote comes from a totally different direction so it's not in line with my thinking at all and I have no real way of knowing without scouring past threads whether Chuggs will traditionally vote like this. Could be his regular method, it could be sus to a level, it could be personal, Idk, He could just be looking to get anything moving. Hedin voted on similar grounds to myself in that Zipped's effort could be a seeded misdirect but hasn't taken the time to say much more on the point or in response to the votes sitting on him. The votes did come quick from the three of us but personally I'm really only interested in getting town on the right track out the gate.
And so if Zipped flips town, or the team votes Hedin and Hedin flips town, I think we have a decent body of posts to scrutinise in terms of who voted and who objected to start getting somewhere on day two. I really hope we get scum and I'll feel bad if I was way off but outside of Fireblends math gambit, there's nothing much else to do than to vote someone and start pulling clues from the result.
I'll say HP's absence is making me uneasy lol mostly because I'm thinking on the other day shot. They could have been here from the start but my assumption is it would of benefit for the two shot day kill scum to hang back and avoid exposure while they still have that and guarantee the second day kill. So the likelihood is we have two scum more actively stirring while one tries to go unseen for as long as possible then they'll become more active once the shot is used. To that end, whoever is disengaging the most is theoretically most likely. We need a vote from HPSauce and hopefully some thoughts anyway.
I'd like to be more active but I'm working lol. Once I finish at 5 and Tomorrow/Tuesday I'll be able to contribute more. I'd hoped Zipped would come back and do something to shake my view of him but that hasn't happened. Maybe putting him one off hammer will prompt a reaction.
Vote:Zippedpinhead
Partly gut feeling, partly from thinking that if scum truly wanted town to be left in the dark, they could just as easily have submitted ATP's kill the moment the game started to minimise the number of posts made before the kill was confirmed. I can't argue the possibility of mod delay, especially if the command was given in the scum thread instead of PM, although I'm still inclined to think that if the command was given within the first couple of minutes then we would probably have heard about it sooner than sixteen minutes into the day.
Regarding this point, though:
As all town players are vanilla and the only kind of PR that scum can use is a day kill, I can't see any way in which ATP could have possibly had any information on the scum team before the game started, nor could scum have known if he had anything on them.
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
Zippedpinhead (5 votes)
MrHedin - #98
TheChuggernaut - #99
Donniewahlberg - #102
nin - #189
HPSauce - #246
MrHedin (3 votes)
TheChuggernaut - #49 #99
Fireblend - #92
Alexem - #162
Sawneeks - #242
Funky Dude Sparks (1 votes)
Melonrabbit - #148
Sawneeks (1 votes)
Funky Dude Sparks - #203
Melonrabbit (1 votes)
Zippedpinhead - #171
Post Counts:
Melonrabbit: 46 Funky Dude Sparks: 35 Fireblend: 33 nin: 31 TheChuggernaut: 23 Alexem: 19 Donniewahlberg: 18 Sawneeks: 18 MrHedin: 15 Zippedpinhead: 15 HPSauce: 13
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Day Start
Zippedpinhead (5 votes)
MrHedin - #98
TheChuggernaut - #99
Donniewahlberg - #102
nin - #189
HPSauce - #246
MrHedin (3 votes)
Fireblend - #92
Alexem - #162
Sawneeks - #242
Funky Dude Sparks (1 votes)
Melonrabbit - #148
Sawneeks (1 votes)
Funky Dude Sparks - #203
Melonrabbit (1 votes)
Zippedpinhead - #171
Post Counts:
Melonrabbit: 46 Funky Dude Sparks: 35 Fireblend: 33 nin: 31 TheChuggernaut: 23 Alexem: 19 Donniewahlberg: 18 Sawneeks: 18 MrHedin: 15 Zippedpinhead: 15 HPSauce: 13
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I wanted to come back to this with a more specific answer once I'd read back down the thread with it more specifically in mind.
If Zipped flips town, there's the natural inclination to go after Hedin because he started the immediate counterpoint to Zipped's thought process. I would be inclined to look at Chuggs and Melon closely as a potential team though too though, there's quite a lot from them that came across like busy work to move away from any serious discussion. I've struggled to reconcile this post with Melon's later posts too
She lays that down then spends a lot of time later acting like it was never posted. I could see a Chuggs + Melon plus a later comer as the trio.
