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Br3wnor

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Oct 27, 2017
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Knicks fans how y’all feeling right now
At this point it’s whatever. KD tearing his Achilles fucked everything up, now we either overreach and max our Kemba and Harris or something OR we just sit back and keep building the “right way”. At least in the second scenario we can suck enough for a lottery pick where 2 B tier “max” players make us good enough to make the playoff and and get bounced the first round.

Whatever, we didn’t get Zion, we’re not getting KD and Kyrie, what’s another few years of misery given the last 20 years. Kyrie without KD I’d be wary of anyway so guess on that front it works out him going to theNets.
 

jey_16

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Oct 28, 2017
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If your the warriors, do you offer KD a max long term contract? With Steph, Klay and Dray on the books, that money could be used on another player that could actually play during the season but the bad PR would be a nightmare

It might be redundant if he takes up the player option
 

TheFatOne

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Oct 27, 2017
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If your the warriors, do you offer KD a max long term contract? With Steph, Klay and Dray on the books, that money could be used on another player that could actually play during the season but the bad PR would be a nightmare

It might be redundant if he takes up the player option
Once they resign Klay they will be maxed out. They just can't go and sign another big time guy since they are over the cap. In order to get someone good it's going to require a trade. They only really have two options. Resign KD short/long term or sign and trade KD.

Edit: One of the capologists can correct me on this one, but I'm pretty sure they can't sign anyone even if they let Klay walk. They don't have many options given big salaries already on the squad.
 

gully state

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Oct 27, 2017
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If your the warriors, do you offer KD a max long term contract? With Steph, Klay and Dray on the books, that money could be used on another player that could actually play during the season but the bad PR would be a nightmare

It might be redundant if he takes up the player option
Even with KD off the books the warriors won’t have enough cap space to add high caliber players. I say the best thing to do is to keep this era of players together for at least 3 more years and have all their salaries come off the books at similar times.
 

harSon

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Oct 30, 2017
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I should dig up all those people insisting that NO should balk at the Lakers in season trade proposal because Boston would assuredly have the better offer this offseason
 

The_hypocrite

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Oct 29, 2017
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Flyover State

spyder_ur

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Oct 25, 2017
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I should dig up all those people insisting that NO should balk at the Lakers in season trade proposal because Boston would assuredly have the better offer this offseason
I don't know what you're getting at. They did wait, and it's not going to have cost them anything to do so. Noone knows what the Celtics are offering or might offer, but obviously the Pels have some interest.


This Kyrie thing is quite troubling for the Cs. We're in kind of uncharted territory right now in terms of influence between agents/the player side and the teams. I'm honestly not sure how to feel about it.
 

EDeadman94

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Oct 29, 2017
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Zo BI Zion...my god.

Zion is the real deal. So is Lamelo.

Darius Garland is going to be good.

Morant is going to be even better.

RJ is going to be really good. Especially in NYC.
 

mjp2417

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Nov 2, 2017
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With it looking like Kyrie to Brooklyn is definitely happening, who’s going to offer Russell the Max?
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the Nets can theoretically clear enough money to keep Dlo's cap hold, and sign Kyrie and another non-10 year max (Tobias Harris has been rumored recently). They would have to move Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, and maybe some other minor stuff but I believe that's possible. Whether that is wise is another story.
 

harSon

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Oct 30, 2017
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I don't know what you're getting at. They did wait, and it's not going to have cost them anything to do so. Noone knows what the Celtics are offering or might offer, but obviously the Pels have some interest.


This Kyrie thing is quite troubling for the Cs. We're in kind of uncharted territory right now in terms of influence between agents/the player side and the teams. I'm honestly not sure how to feel about it.
Wasn’t Magic’s offer Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma, Zubac, 2 first rounds, and taking on Solomon’s contract?
 

Crumb

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I think it's also important to note that medical science is always coming up with new treatments, surgeries, and rehabilitation schemes - players not coming back from these injuries in the past is not necessarily indicative of how players will be coming back from the injury in the present or future
I know, that's why I mentioned that the jury is out on DeMarcus Cousins, because he's the only one iirc who's not only young enough to recover, but also has had the injury in an era of improved medical science compared to 20-30 years ago. We still need one more year to see how he's been affected (if at all).
 

mjp2417

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Nov 2, 2017
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The big difference between the deadline deal and what is rumored now is that Kuzma, Hart, Zubac (oh Lakers), a future first, and taking on Solomon Hill's contract (i.e. functionally equivalent to another future 1st) is now seemingly off the table, even though I suspect the Lakers will ultimately capitulate on Kuzma maybe in exchange for some minor draft pick compensation. It just depends on whether you believe that the Lakers ending up in the lottery and jumping to 4 amortizes all the extra stuff that isn't there now. I also strongly suspect that the Celtics are being used purely as leverage at this point since everything else has dried up (the lack of concrete details about what the Celtics are actually offering seems like a pretty clear tell).
 

McScroggz

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Jan 11, 2018
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The big difference between the deadline deal and what is rumored now is that Kuzma, Hart, Zubac (oh Lakers), a future first, and taking on Solomon Hill's contract (i.e. functionally equivalent to another future 1st) is now seemingly off the table, even though I suspect the Lakers will ultimately capitulate on Kuzma maybe in exchange for some minor draft pick compensation. It just depends on whether you believe that the Lakers ending up in the lottery and jumping to 4 amortizes all the extra stuff that isn't there now. I also strongly suspect that the Celtics are being used purely as leverage at this point since everything else has dried up (the lack of concrete details about what the Celtics are actually offering seems like a pretty clear tell).
I genuinely don’t think the Lakers are going to offer BI, Lonzo and Kuz. Although we don’t know, it doesn’t seem like they are really bidding against a whole lot. And BI, Lonzo and the number 4 pick is a legit haul.

I know Griff said he wants an All Star in the deal for AD because he doesn’t want to rebuild, but honestly that’s what New Orleans should do. Zion is 18. He will be good next year, but he won’t be ready to start competing for a championship in his first 2-3 years unless he’s on a really hood team and that’s just not what New Orleans has, and likely won’t be able to get.

Let’s say they trade with LA, and trade Jrue for a couple young assets and find a quality couple vets to surround the young team, they could be like the Kings this year. Young and feisty, but not quite ready. In a couple years you can start making moves to compete in the near future, and if you are smart you will have a young core of three or four players and a few assets to flip for an All star or really good role players.

Maybe I’m wrong about who they could get. But they should focus on the long term viability of the team so in 5-6 years they aren’t freaking out about Zion leaving because they just don’t have the team or the assets to do anything to compete. That’s what happened in Cleveland that led to LeBron going to Miami and it’s what has led to AD wanting a trade.

When you have an opportunity to hit the reset button and gather a ton of assets to build around a potential superstar you don’t take shortcuts.
 

NinjaScooter

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Oct 25, 2017
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A wild card could still step in with GFIN deal (say Portland offers McCollum and Collins? Or Denver offers up Murray?) but barring that the Knicks seem out, the Celtics are probably out (or at least hanging on to Tatum) if Kyrie leaves, and the Nets and Clippers don't seem to be in the mix.
 

bionic77

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Oct 25, 2017
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If I was the Pelicans Zo and BI would be a pretty good haul for a guy who is leaving and didn’t win there anyways. Plus with Zion coming in that would be a legit exciting team to watch right.

Kuzma is kind of trash and if either side is putting value on him they are idiots who don’t know what they are doing. He plays no defense and is a good scorer but not good enough to be the first or second option. Basically the perfect guy to put up numbers on bad teams. I don’t think you can win with him on the floor unless he really improves as a shooter.
 
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