The lower end (and possibly more popular) model missing SSD would mean that only 1st party studios utilized the SSD fully on the higher end model. That would make it pretty pointless.
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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
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The lower end (and possibly more popular) model missing SSD would mean that only 1st party studios utilized the SSD fully on the higher end model. That would make it pretty pointless.
I was thinking about including the ssd on lockhart but I thought they have to cut the price down some how.
Is it actually confirmed the lower end model will be cheaper than the competition? I mean, what's stopping them releasing similarly specced system as PS5 at 399$, and an enthusiast model at 499$?
Adjusted for inflation $299 in 1994 would be around $500 in 2018. So launching at $499 would be very similar to the PS1 launch price. If you adjust for inflation the PS4 was actually cheaper than the PS1.
Until you remember that wages haven't kept up with inflation. I think $499 would still be ok for other reasons (being able to trade your PS4 in, for one), but I'm pretty sure it would be a greater financial burden than the PS1 on average.
It's worth noting that wages have stagnated for the last 2 decades but price of goods have gone up.
Nothing is comfirmed lol.
But the leak suggested a cheaper and weaker model and a more expensive more powerful model.
Most ppl seem to think $299 + $499.
But I think a lot of that is ppl wanting the PS5 to be in a so called "$399 sweet spot"
Frankly we have no idea what the pricing structure will be.
It could be $349 + $499 on MS side.
And could be like the pro vs X1X in power split.
SSD has to be on the lower end if it is to be meaningful to devs - i.e they can code based on SSD transfer speeds. If not it just becomes 'your game loads faster'
In America average income per year was 24k per year. IN 2017 it was 50k. Average minimum wage has about doubled as well. So buying a 300$ console in 94 should be about the same at 500$ console in 2020.
The problem isn't a 500$ console. It's a 249$ switch(guessing 2020 price) and a 299$ Lockhart going against a 500$ console. It would be double the price of switch and 200$ more than Lockhart. That could be a big problem.
I meant confirmed as in said by reliable sources, because so many talk about the 299$ model on this thread, when it could be anything between 299-399$.
Sony would be totally fine releasing at 9TF. What´smore important than raw power this time are the features (BC is a must) and the games at launch.
No the leaks regarding lockhart + anaconda have not mentioned price.
However Brad sams did say anaconda was a response to the PS5 and will be similar in power and lockhart is a weaker more budget friendly option.
So, that suggests Anaconda would cost around the same as PS5, not 499$, unless Sony also goes up there in power and price.
But hopefully it would also get exclusive stuff. Pro never promised that and I don't know of anyone who thought it would get that. Otherwise there'll never be a next gen as devs will continue to just program for XB1 and port up
Yeah if they nail BC, they will have a great library of games for people to play day one, and it will be even better if they patch a few games for enhancements (resolution / framerate ect) plus the games that run with dynamic resolutions and unlocked framerates should benefit automatically.
Well, there's been no leaks about PS4's price either, so it could be either.
But I personally want $499 to ensure we get visuals closer to these tech demos using a RTX 2080Ti.
It really disappoints me that next gen probably won't have nvidia RTX hardware or some other specific Ray tracing hardware.
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1 or 2 tf won't make or break a console. Games will look fine either way. The only way 1 or 2 tf really helps at all is if it puts ps5 on par with andaconda or puts it above Xbox. Other than that 12.5-25% more gpu power won't even move the needle for ps5 sales performance.
It would make sense seeing that engine makers and devs are getting on board with it.
When was the last time a console could somewhat keep up with a high-end PC (at launch)? I remember the Xbox 360 being quite a beast in 2005 and even the PS3 in 2006.
Anandtech has a slew of articles from back in the day. Actually a fun read!
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1719
Obviously consoles had more exotic design back in the day, but why would it be completely out of the question to assume Sony and Microsoft wouldn't want to pursue the high-end again? It certainly generates excitement and is even favorable to the PC with consoles at least trying not to hold technology back.
If a $499 console would bring us any closer to that, I'd be in favor of it... Man, I just really want to see innovative, big steps forward with both next-gen consoles!
Anandtech has a slew of articles from back in the day. Actually a fun read!
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1719
Obviously consoles had more exotic design back in the day, but why would it be completely out of the question to assume Sony and Microsoft wouldn't want to pursue the high-end again? It certainly generates excitement and is even favorable to the PC with consoles at least trying not to hold technology back.
If a $499 console would bring us any closer to that, I'd be in favor of it... Man, I just really want to see innovative, big steps forward with both next-gen consoles!
Averages are heavily weighted towards large amounts, so they are usually not the best indicator of what's happening in the real world. That's why you often mostly see the "median wages" in reports versus averages because it represents what the middle most wage being paid to an employee would be.
I am still using a GTX1070 and did not upgrade to rtx2060. Lots of gamers are waiting for Ray tracing feature on general-purpose GPUs. Nvidia with 7nm ampere is gonna steal the thunder from AMD's NAVI. I am expecting next RTX 3080 will be close to 15tf.
Nvidia PC owners should hope for ray tracing hardware in next gen consoles, because if there is games will be designed with ray tracing more Prevalent which will cross over more to PC.
If there is just brute force ray tracing like we have seen from crytek, PC will see similar baked on implementations that we are seeing at the moment, (BF5, control, metro)
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You are right. Actually those where the median wages. I just replaced the word with average.
You take your 9tf and I'll take my 13.2tf and we'll see who looks better :)
One positive thing is that even though these tech demos are running on 2080ti, we have to cast our minds back to 2012 when the epic samaritan demo ran on a GTX 680 which was a 3tflop card.
The graphics of that demo were surpassed with console with half that power.
So hopefully a similar maturing of tools will happen.
The graphics of that demo were surpassed with console with half that power.
So hopefully a similar maturing of tools will happen.
That sounds big, but it's not that much different from the relative PS4 to Xbox One gap.
Which was big. It was the difference between 1080p and 900 or 720p. It got MS negative press for a long while, exacerbated by the price gap.
Of course it would. The PS5 will get exclusive games and next-gen titles like any other console. I'm just talking about a situation where the console is ready for production and release before those games are, and has enhanced BC that makes it worth releasing.
I mean, I know some people wanted us to believe the gap was small, but the difference between 1080 & 720 as well as more stable frame rates most of this gen was a huge deal imo.
But then it's also the same relatively as the x1x to Pro gap and people don't care as much about that, likely because of diminishing returns
There are still things in the demo not seen on consoles in general, with cheaper effects in play. Same thing this time around
I think the native 4K compared to half that, even with impressive CB techniques, is quite significant.
Although I believe native 4K to be a waste of resources and cb to be a better alternative, the power difference between the two boxes is noticeable. But much more so with og ps4 and Xbone.
Just need to look at the DF results for some of the bigger releases this year so far. PS4 still seems to be holding its own (though you can sense it is also starting to struggle). By comparison - Xbox one seems to be struggling more with their releases seeming to have lower res, lower effects and lower frame rates. Obviously not true for all releases but some of the results have been in 'yikes' territory.
So if no leaks for PS5 at gdc happen, what's the next possible event/timeframe we could be looking at?
Just read this. Was the anti used games things ever true and Sony reversed it?
https://kotaku.com/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-5896996
https://kotaku.com/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-5896996
I know. Gamer17 replied to me about PS4 originally being leaked in 2012 so I looked it up and saw the anti use data game thing in the article. :)
Nothing solid. I think that rumor started from MS' plans.
Never mind, didn't notice it was a previously discussion.
Yeah, it always seemed like "MS is doing it, therefore Sony must too."
Which is amusing considering it seems that sentiment is popping up again lately.
interesting number choices. did you make them yourself?
Patrick Klepek, gametrailers, Michael Pachter all reported on it as well. Im sure ign and other sites mentioned it but its hard to dig through years of content to find old articles. Sony kept quiet and let Microsoft take the bullet on the used game initiative but it was reported they had the same plan. That last minute "used games" video sony filmed in a e3 hotel room was a brilliant marketing move on their part. People were so quick to forget sony was up to the same skeevy plan and now all of a sudden was a gamers best friend.
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Probably because 720p is very noticeable compared to 1080p, as games look very blurry, especially on bigger 4k TV's.
If it was a 9TF vs 13TF console, the difference wouldn't be as noticeable as 720p vs 1080p. It would be native 4k vs native 4k, with the difference coming down to some graphical settings being turned up a bit on the more powerful system.
Some might argue that 9TF wouldn't be enough for native 4k but when XB1X, with only 6TF is doing games at native 4k like RDR2 or getting very close to native 4k on others, 9TF would be fine.
Also they have Checkerboard Rendering or other forms of Reconstruction to fall back on if really needed, with enough power to do full 2160p (no more 1600p or weird inbetween resolutions) which looks excellent or maybe they could even push Checkerboard Rendering past 2160p resolution and then downsample for an even better IQ.
I remember a YouTuber who calls his channel review tech USA and uploaded a video around the launch of PS4 proclaiming Sony was gonna have a day one patch to disable DRM and how Sony reveresed that decision to include drm once they saw the negative reactions to Microsoft E3. Although most ppl just assumed he was a massive Xbox fanboy spreading fud.
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