It hasn't been confirmed but there have been interviews with AMD where it has been mentioned in the same breath as raytracing so I think it's likely. Seems like the sort of feature both companies would push for being included if at all possible.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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Yup. It's basically a vector for injecting malicious code.
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time...
Granted I am not an audiophile, so have no idea... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Going by history, the PS5 and PS5 Pro would support it while the Slim would drop it as a cost saving and miniaturization option.
Bear in mind you can always increase the air flow over the finned area to remove more heat (higher air velocity increases the overall heat transfer coefficient, because you're decreasing the thermal resistances to heat transfer between metal fins and bulk air flow; I.e. lower film coefficient and lower average air temps means a higher driving force for heat transfer).
So increasing the heat sink surface area only sees an asymptotic curve with constant air flow, but even then the flow characteristics of the air over the finned area, as well as the temperature profile from the core to the bulk air fluid all play as much of a part in informing the design.
There are more levers in a designers toolbox than just finned area and heatsink material (I.e. metal thermal conductivity).
It's interesting that klee said that the next gen game he saw did not look as polished as a unity or UE4 tech demo.
I'm having trouble thinking what somthing much better then this gen but not as good as tech demos will look like.
I'm guessing similar to star citizen but a bit more advanced.
I'm having trouble thinking what somthing much better then this gen but not as good as tech demos will look like.
I'm guessing similar to star citizen but a bit more advanced.
Now you're competing against acceptable acoustics.
Watched DF's video on Star Citizen earlier this afternoon. Some of the techs they're doing is really interesting.
I agree with what he's saying, and I believe he's saying that no matter how good everything else is (including what you are talking about) te IHS is stil the chokepoint. How quickly can that heat be moved from the IHS to the heatsink? No matter how good whatever you put on top the IHS is, be it a larger heat sink or even liquid cooling, the IHS generally heats up faster than you can cool it.
A perfect cooler would be something that could somehow constantly pass like a -40 deg C liquid over the IHS without causing condensation and with finer temp control than say liquid nitrogen. That way you can move of heat from the IHS as quickly as it can heat up. In said perfect world we would be able to have processors that can clock twice as high while using less than twice the power because what makes that power curve climb is that as the chip gets hotter it takes more to raise clocks, and the more power you add the faster it gets hotter lol.
Thats not even the main issue with what hes saying. Like even if we assume people don't mind if the console sounds like a jet engine... no amount of air-fin arrangement will circumvent the fact that the IHS is still the choke point. Air coolers don't suddenly work twice as good by simply putting on a much more powerful fan. There are improvements, but marginal at best.
https://m.twitch.tv/videos/496199730?t=5h24m20s
During the EGX 2019 Twitch stream, Richard from Digital Foundry just confirmed that the PS5 devkit's codename is "Prospero" according to what he heard from his own sources.
So this means the leak from Gizmodo was correct.
During the EGX 2019 Twitch stream, Richard from Digital Foundry just confirmed that the PS5 devkit's codename is "Prospero" according to what he heard from his own sources.
So this means the leak from Gizmodo was correct.
Tried to talk to her, but cockblocked by Ray Tracy.
Nice girl though, but I can only stand her in small dosages.
Not a leak so much as a summary
He does state their (DF's) own sources confirmed it and doesn't even mention Gizmodo.
Nothing much. they just confirmed that the PS5 devkit is real. It's called Propero. Something about ray tracing they couldnt confirm.
they also have said this will be the biggest compute jump in consoles history and raytracing in PS5 is way more advanced than what is in scarlett!
Richard keeps saying people will be disappointed by the GPUs. But at the same time, he says he doesnt know the compute units.
If we get double digit GPU who is going to be disappointed?!? I need names.
if you watch the stream, it doesnt seem like he expects double digit GPUs. hes comparing current gen games with the same game running on the 5700xt 40 cu gpu running at 1.8 ghz. curious that he acknowledges Propero and Gonzalo as shakespeare characters but doesnt even bring up Oberon's 2.0 ghz clock speed which shouldve put the 40 cu 5700xt at 10.4 tflops.
he does go on to say that the next gen consoles are going to be awesome, but he says dont compare the tflops because of the architectural change.
edit: they are doing a Q&A now, if no one asks him about tflops im gonna riot.
#team8tflops will rise again :(
the future consoles will have the "greatest compute jump in any console," they said
The PS5 raytracing thing is not what they said. The writer said their source had a really confusing statement that they and several devs couldn't parse so they didn't even publish it and that was one possible interpretation.
didnt the writer come here and post that one dev said ps5 had better ray tracing but then some other dev said that it was microsoft who had better ray tracing.
What is dead may never die...but rises again harder and stronger ;)
I think that was a great presentation. And I would fully agree if we weren't getting leaks of double-digit TF numbers. but I sincerely believe a ~9TF Navi GPU is around what we will be getting. And that's great when you compare it to pictarin and Polaris which is what the current gen is based on now.
If we get anything above 9TF (so say 10TF) I would be truly pleasantly surprised.
If we get anything above 9TF (so say 10TF) I would be truly pleasantly surprised.
BDXL disks already support 8k video, so if the drive in the ps5 supports bdxl media, it should support 8k video.
No surprise there, he's Dick Tracy's older brother.
I remember seeing bench and videos some time ago, where benchers were testing jaguar ( athlon 5370 ) vs zen+. Under cinebench and blender, with same core count and frequency, zen+ was 3.64 times faster.
So compared to ps4 cpu against zen2 @3.2 with smt, should be around 10x faster under same benchmarks.
But it won't translate to x10 in games of course.
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I'm probably more excited about VR improvements over next-gen console specs improvements LOL
Wasn't MS planning on VR? I recall they talked about VR back in 2016 or so, before the Xbox One X presentation and how the X(then Scorpio) was going to be compatible with it. Nothing came from that... yet, AFAIK.
As for Sony, reaaaaally excited about the comments on haptics for the DS5 as that could mean an even bigger push for VR. I do wonder if we'll see a PSVR successor before year 3 into its lifecycle, though.
Wasn't MS planning on VR? I recall they talked about VR back in 2016 or so, before the Xbox One X presentation and how the X(then Scorpio) was going to be compatible with it. Nothing came from that... yet, AFAIK.
As for Sony, reaaaaally excited about the comments on haptics for the DS5 as that could mean an even bigger push for VR. I do wonder if we'll see a PSVR successor before year 3 into its lifecycle, though.
4x was the number given by MS for the improvement over the Xbox One X. If you take the base PS4 clock speeds, which every game's CPU load is based on, it's closer to 6x. Considering the X and the Pro didn't really utilize the extra CPU speed for anything but just running the same code a bit faster, the improvement will be huge for a new baseline.
If they include a low cost HDMI 2.1 cable, it just might. It's not really unusual for a product like this to have a bunch of code names to deliberately obscure conversations and compartmentalize information. I've worked on projects that had many more code names attached to different aspects, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were dozens associated with PS5.
to be fair w still can't say or certain its not gonna be as high as 10TF. But at this point, we are just splitting hairs. Not much difference between9TF+ and 10TF ish.
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