I like the name Xbox 365 😂 Just so used to Office 365 name at work already. MS can also use the number "5" as part of their name.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_i9wn7hgk after his criticism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwczmQNHVfo is a stomp on a XFX card, which they later fixed.
You will learn in not much time that you know nothing when you finish school. The sooner you accept that the better your carrer will be.
If I had to fill an assload of racks with scarlett for some estimated peak load, I might also look into how to utilize those normally unused compute resources outside of their target audience.
All I know is I'll be extremely disappointed if they didn't name the server blades as XBlades.
Also, BladeStation for the other side.
Also, BladeStation for the other side.
Honestly, I believe it will be the equivalent of a 2080 (which is a huge achievement), but beating a 2080ti? I just can't see that. Who knows? Maybe my grounded perspective is wrong, but I just don't believe it to be possible. Also, I just can't allow myself to get hyped over technology, as that usually leads to disappointment when said technology is released.
I honestly think PS5/Scarlett will all be more about the CPU/SSD improvements, rather than spending top dollar on GPU improvements.
Did not at all. PS4 runs things like that look like Order 1886 and Horizon Zero Dawn, whereas if you had a PS4-spec-PC back in 2013, you would have had a miserable last 6 years in comparison, at least graphically. If anything 2x is an under-exaggeration.
Adding this to next gen thread hope you don't mind .
It really going to be interesting seeing the Jump in destruction in next gen games .
They now have a much better CPU and SSD to help with that and control is good eg of where things going to go destruction wise even in open world games
An HD7870 from 2012 runs RDR2 at PS4 settings. Anything else ?
Of course The Order and Horizon wont run on those PCs. Because those are exclusives. If they weren't, they'd run on those PCs.
I've been playing through Jedi Fallen Order recently and the idea of instant respawns sounds too good to be true. That game has me waiting upwards of a minute each death on Xbox One X.
If I wasn't already craving next-gen consoles, I sure as hell am now. It doesn't help that I've been playing a ton of games on my Switch with almost no loading times.
Yes loading getting cut down will be great .
As person who loves fighting games it take way to long to play them now .
Hell i stop trying to get better ranks in DMCV cause the loading was to fucking long .
Fast travel don't even seem like fast travel when have to wait up to mins to move around the map in some games.
It will be hard for people to go back just because of loading times.
It is much more complicated than that. A lot of people like to cite inflation, or wage growth but ultimately it boils down to consumer appetite. What are people prepared to pay for your product. That is your price point.
What someone is prepared to pay will also be linked to the value in the product, and so things like storage capacity etc plays a role in that. Without knowing what we're going to get it is tough to give a decent guess.
Another thing to remember is inflation is an average figure of the all industries. I can only speak to my own country, but if you take a sector like clothing, inflation there has been non-existent. You'll pay similar amounts for a t-shirt now as you would decades ago - but according to inflation it should be double the price by now, except it isn't.
I don't think we see $399 again. But I don't see $499 either.
$449/€499/£449.
Don't know the PS4 settings but in Vulkan it is able to do 30 fps uncapped at low settings.
Maybe the texture are better on consoles and the 7870 is limited by the VRAM size.
console version is a combination of all settings, so more expensive than this.
I suppose and I am sure the texture are better on base PS4 because of the 7870 VRAM limitation.
Well, Xbox One X has settings under low settings. So yeah, base PS4 might be worse.
A HD780 PC with a ps4 level Jaguar CPU would not run RDR2 and even close to PS4 settings - and saying otherwise is completely objectively untrue and misleading. Anything else?
Saying Horizon Zero Dawn would run on same machine is just deranged.
Entry level CPU would do the job just fine. But yeah, "objectively untrue, misleading" "Horizon Zero Dawn unthinkable".
Good thing video facts exists to crush those fanboyish claims.
They could do that to some extent without adding a bunch of silicon that would be a waste for games. Spencer said very specifically that - and in implicit contrast with the XB1 - Scarlet is being designed with games in mind, and games alone. Spending budget on an outsized level of double precision performance or tensor core performance for non-game workloads would leave the door wide open to another own-goal for game performance. It would also be quite antithetical to the approach take in XB1X, which looked to actually hone down perceived 'extraneous' bits inside the GPU CUs based on game workloads alone, to pack as much game performance in.
Sorry to break it to you. Some stuff are at low and even lower than low, which means you cant replicate them on PC. That is on One X. So yeah, you cant get a 1:1 comparison. But that's based on the fact that, yeah, you cant achieve lower than low.
God of War respawns almost instantly, so this can be done on current generation too.
Not sure what to make of this one. UAV for course-mapping, but it seems to support live events, not just capture for later use.
It would completely depend on what they would be offering clients. In my opinion, the concern would mainly be towards the OS and the bits needed to run generalized software rather than what customizations they've done to the CPU and GPU specific to gaming. Having said that, you could probably spin up VMs on these fairly simply to get that going. I also didn't listen to whatever thing kicked off this discussion in this thread, I was just pointing out that them using these idle resources is not outside the realm of possibilities.
and what about all those settings that are medium or higher? are we just going to ignore those?
Sorry to break it to you. Some stuff are at low and even lower than low, which means you cant replicate them on PC. That is on One X. So yeah, you cant get a 1:1 comparison. But that's based on the fact that, yeah, you cant achieve lower than low.
Of course not. I never said all the settings were under low.
I said "it has settings under low". Which means you cant replicate them. You'll also notice that the "low/lower than low" are also often the more demanding ones.
It would make more sense to have a variant for datacenters - that can run scarlet games or other ai/double-fp workloads, than for the same silicon to go in the home units. That I could see for sure.
Sure, dismiss 2x spec for spec claim by Carmack as 'aging like milk' and then be so nebulous with CPU specs this equivalent PC could actually have, what, 3x the CPU power?
And you still won't back down on HZD running on this shit-box PC - lol
Of course it aged like milk. Tell me why so many games that are GPU bound performs more or less the same as their console counterparts ?
If you believe in the "2x spec for spec claim" despite this generation, you either haven't been paying attention or in for a rude awakening.
And yeah, I wont back down on HZD. Why ? Because yeah, we have no way to demonstrate that a game that is only on a console that can runs on a platform it's not. We do know though that there are as demanding, if not more demanding games running the same way as their console counterparts on equivalent hardware.
7870 is a 2.5 tflops GPU. PS4 is 1.84 Tflops.
7850 (1.76 tflops) or a GTX 570 1.5 nvidia tflops would be a better comparison.
Your Gamers Nexus video doesn't even support your conclusion.
They state that TDP is not a straightforward quantity and the calculation of it differs from vendor/IHV to vendor/IHV.
This does not mean that TDP is a useless BS number that has no relation to electrical power consumption. The problem here is you're reading something else into their statement.
TDP is "Thermal Design Power", i.e. a design metric used to inform a maximum thermal power to be dissipated from a given processor by a cooling solution. Of course it's a function of electrical power consumption, however, whether that is instantaneous peak power consumption or sustained max power consumption, always plus some design safety margin, will depend on who is determining it.
The key point for consoles is that unlike PC, the folks determining their formulae for TDP are the same folks who will design the cooling solution. So for a console, TDP is directly proportional to power consumption.
I can't wait to fly a drone to explore a world, have the battery dead after 30 minutes, charge it up in a QTE and fly it back again.
GTX 570 wouldn't cut it. It's a completly different architecture. You're right, HD 7870 is a faster GPU. And it's still a bit faster in most scenarios. In any case, we're in a 30% class difference in worst cases. Not two times minimum. And certainly not "over two times".
I'm not saying it's impossible on current gen consoles. Just that I'm glad it won't be something developers have to make sacrifices for on next-gen consoles.
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There's evidence which says otherwise when you look at the current generation consoles and their closest PC equivalent GPUs.
I'm sure GhostTrick was speaking specifically about the GPU.
An 8 Jaguar core CPU doesn't even exist outside the APUs used in the consoles, so we can't really do a comparison with comparable hardware there.
You know what, I'm going to do some wild shit out of curiosity.
My Ryzen 5 3600 at 1GHz... Ooooh boy.
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They call it mostly meaningless as a measurement of power draw, which does support my statement. Same TDP can give wildly different actual power draw, which is the only argument I have made and I believe I quite clearly said it was meaningless to be used as a metric for power draw. I questioned people tying it to power draw, which it cannot be used as a metric for. Please don't expand on what I actually said to infer some meaning I didn't explicitly state.
This is what I wrote in the context of power usage:
Which is only true on PC if you're trying to determine electrical power draw of different devices from different vendors as the different vendors calculate TDP differently. And it IS related to electrical power draw, even on PC, it's just that the relationship itself differs from device to device and vendor to vendor. So you're comment is wrong.
All of this is irrelevant to this console thread we are talking about, wherein TDP informs directly to a large extent the cost impact of the main processor's electrical power consumption on the console project as a whole.
Ergo, your statement that TDP is a BS meaningless number in a thread about consoles is wrong.
"ResetEra forums member Kleegamefan, who has been revealing interesting stuff regarding the next-gen consoles these past few weeks, recently revealed that the PlayStation 5 is ahead of Xbox Scarlett in terms of game performance"
cc: Kleegamefan
In regards to what the PS4 GPU is capable of, i think it's important to take into account the fact that nearly every game this gen has realtime cutscenes. yes, they use souped up versions of ingame character models, yes the lighting is better and higher quality DoF is used to improve graphical quality during cutscenes. However, the early gen tech demos were also cutscene only and thus, I think these realtime cutscenes are a good barometer for a comparison with tech demos at the start of this gen.
If next gen the ingame models look this good, i will be happy.
If next gen the ingame models look this good, i will be happy.
IIRC the PS4 [ETA: Final] dev kit was tested by FCC in July 2013 and ND received like 3 pallets with 120 kits in September 2013?
Also there really wasn't much visually different between the last two kits (January 2013 and final kit):
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