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Keep in mind what Kaz said just before PS Meeting invites went out.
He implied they were waiting for Xbox to make their move, then BAM — See the future.
He implied they were waiting for Xbox to make their move, then BAM — See the future.
You believe PS5 is being shown tomorrow, or that the invites for upcoming event are tomorrow? I just want to make sure I am on the right page.
It's not news. It's a tired argument that refuses to die. Many make it in bad faith.
The PS5 is getting revealed tomorrow.
And I'm putting my avatar on the line now.
Your beliefs do not matter as it's clear what Cerny has said.
I'm only looking at the cold hard facts and data. Of course I cannot see the future.
- Oberon is Navi10Lite
- Navi10 (RDNA1) lacks dedicated RT hardware
- Sony said PS5 has HW RT
- Therefor it must have some degree of HW acceleration for RT, but not dedicated HW for RT
- SeX has 56CU
- "Little Navi" (Navi10) taps out at 40 CU
- SeX must be "Big Navi" then
- Lisa Su recently confirmed "Big Navi" uses next-gen RDNA (RDNA2) (https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-confirms-high-end-navi-gpu-2020-ray-tracing)
- AMD's RT roadmap they revealed at E3 2019 says that next gen RDNA (RDNA2) will have dedicated RT hardware
- Therefor SeX must be using RDNA2 and has dedicated RT HW
Oh but it is. See above, as well as the confirmation of hardware VRS, which is currently not supported in RDNA1.
Oh I see. Much, much more. Especially in the single threaded department. Zen2 has a higher IPC than Coffee Lake R. I think this should speak for itself:
Wouldn't Sony lose a ridiculous amount of money doing that, and with no new sub to help the damage?
Why do you want the industry to be noncompetitive? I'm honestly confused by this line of thinking
My beliefs agree with Cerny though? I've read the Wired interview multiple times due to my interest in PS5. He says that the PS5 has RT support! Just like what I think! He does NOT say that RT is done with dedicated hardware.
According to Gamestop, the xbox series x is using a custom new AMC Processor.
Oh wow...
I'm only looking at the cold hard facts and data. Of course I cannot see the future.
Make sense?
- Oberon is Navi10Lite
- Navi10 (RDNA1) lacks dedicated RT hardware
- Sony said PS5 has HW RT
- Therefor it must have some degree of HW acceleration for RT, but not dedicated HW for RT
- SeX has 56CU
- "Little Navi" (Navi10) taps out at 40 CU
- SeX must be "Big Navi" then
- Lisa Su recently confirmed "Big Navi" uses next-gen RDNA (RDNA2) (https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-confirms-high-end-navi-gpu-2020-ray-tracing)
- AMD's RT roadmap they revealed at E3 2019 says that next gen RDNA (RDNA2) will have dedicated RT hardware
- Therefor SeX must be using RDNA2 and has dedicated RT HW
Oh but it is. See above, as well as the confirmation of hardware VRS, which is currently not supported in RDNA1.
Oh I see. Much, much more. Especially in the single threaded department. Zen2 has a higher IPC than Coffee Lake R. I think this should speak for itself:
No it is not, a microsoft insider already told us that.
If you want to continue on this path, go for it, I'm not engaging any further.
hes saying the slot is for Expandable Storage.
interesting. some speculated this as well. nice to see a more solid source back it up.
Yeah starting to feel the same way, that Klee May have bambozeled us. Hope I am wrong
Mystery Port not revealed. Speculates if it is a Compact Flash Express Slot.
Are you really? Lots of assumptions and twisting and turning to fit your own thought process.I'm only looking at the cold hard facts and data. Of course I cannot see the future.
Make sense?
- Oberon is Navi10Lite
- Navi10 (RDNA1) lacks dedicated RT hardware
- Sony said PS5 has HW RT
- Therefor it must have some degree of HW acceleration for RT, but not dedicated HW for RT
- SeX has 56CU
- "Little Navi" (Navi10) taps out at 40 CU
- SeX must be "Big Navi" then
- Lisa Su recently confirmed "Big Navi" uses next-gen RDNA (RDNA2) (https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-confirms-high-end-navi-gpu-2020-ray-tracing)
- AMD's RT roadmap they revealed at E3 2019 says that next gen RDNA (RDNA2) will have dedicated RT hardware
- Therefor SeX must be using RDNA2 and has dedicated RT HW
This makes the cheap Lockhart plan a lot more viable.
Just 500GB? No issue at all, if you can expand the SSD
Thx for sharing!
I think the speculation of bdsams is a little bit off. Could be a proprietary exNVMe card solution. Don't think the technology he mentions is not fast enough for the speed that is required with next gen consoles (but not checked yet entirely, just a quick thought). Still good to hear that this expansion slot/interface exists!
Edit:
Checked.
CFexpress could indeed the way to go but I did not find information about IOPS specifically and if the card somes with its own controller. Main differentiator if you could use standard crExpress cards or you have to opt for proprietary cards.
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Who and where? And how do you explain the 56 CU and the hardware VRS support then? Right now I see overwhelming evidence in favor of SeX using RDNA2
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/12/12/microsoft-unveils-xbox-series-x/ - Note the use of "next generation RDNA, the same language used by AMD to describe their upcoming GPUs with dedicated RT HW.
That's gotta be NVME, idk why he keeps going on about sd cards
According to Gamestop, the xbox series x is using a custom new AMC Processor.
Oh, it's about to be a movie!
It's got Gremlins inside!According to Gamestop, the xbox series x is using a custom new AMC Processor.
You might want to try and stop GeForce Now as well then, considering it's testing very well.
Is GeForce big? Stadia has possibly flopped so I don't see it doing much.
No.
A. "Navi 10 Lite" obviously isn't Navi 10 so you can't say that it lacks anything since it's a different chip.
B. There is no "degree of h/w acceleration for RT". You either have RT h/w or not. Navi 10 doesn't and therefore it doesn't support RT - which can clearly be witnessed in PC space right now.
C. There are more Navi GPUs than "Little Navi" and "Big Navi". Also Navi 10 isn't "little" by any metric imaginable.
D. XSX won't be based on "Big Navi" and we don't know if it will use RDNA2 or not.
There is no stopping that, it will continue to grow as people want more options and ways to access their stuff.
Assumptions? Ok, let's walk through this one step at a time with sources:
- Oberon is Navi10Lite (https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...laystation-5-xbox-series-x-spec-leak-analysed)
- Navi10 family lacks dedicated RT HW (5700 and 5700XT contain no dedicated RT HW)
- Sony said PS5 has HW RT (Wired article)
- This means that PS5 MUST contain some form of HW RT acceleration, but it is NOT dedicated.
- SeX has 56 CU (https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...laystation-5-xbox-series-x-spec-leak-analysed)
- "Little Navi" maxes out at 40 CU (5700XT).
- Therefor SeX cannot be "Little Navi", it's simply not possible to have 56CU on such a chip. The only other option is for it to be "Big Navi"
- Lisa Su recently confirmed "Big Navi" uses next-gen RDNA (RDNA2) (https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-confirms-high-end-navi-gpu-2020-ray-tracing)
- AMD's RT roadmap they revealed at E3 2019 says that next gen RDNA (RDNA2) will have dedicated RT hardware (roadmap image posted above)
- Therefor SeX must be using RDNA2 and has dedicated RT HW
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