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Nier: Gestalt Mafia IOTI: Weiss you dumbass! Start making sense and play mafia!!!
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Why I had Nin on my Suspcious Of list: it isn't so much that they were scummy, but that I found others people more townie. And I couldn't put everyone on my lean town list. However: we gave Turmoil shit for trying to frame Fanto/Chuggs as our Day 1 options. if you go just a tad more back though, it was Nin who first framed it as such:
And if I assume Fanto and or Chuggs is town, a lot of Page 13-15 can come off like scum trying to stir the shit and take out at least one of our stronger town players.
And if I assume Fanto and or Chuggs is town, a lot of Page 13-15 can come off like scum trying to stir the shit and take out at least one of our stronger town players.
Well, that ruins my whole day. This is why you don't try to play mafia between interviews. So, I've mushed two players completely together in my head, got all excited because for once I thought I caught onto breadcrumbing, and in the end, it was pure shit and I was onto nothing.
I had suspicion of Fanto but by end of day i didn't want him dead the last vote o dropped on him was just to tie the vote as explained in one of my old post.
Nin yeah i dropped the ball there i had him as town day one after starting day 2 slowly they have been dropping to the scum list. I share your frustration that the scum check was not saved until later in the day. The reason I revealed myself as king so early in the day was to give people enough time to get there brains around the fact that they would be casting two votes today.
wait you thought I was a cop and a 2 shot vigilante? I know the king is powerful but that's a lot.
I wasn't even thinking about the shots, which is why I hadn't voted. I was kind of laser focused on the cop piece.
Nothing exciting now, especially with the cop check, but I wanted to see if there was a fire to stoke to make scum come out and defend Nin. Chuggs first saying he didn't see where Nin suspicions were coming from led me to the vote. Then Stan voted on me in response, so I was starting to get a bit of what I wanted. I just wish I had time and wasn't on mobile last night so I could try to put any kind of a case against Nin together. Only 2 votes with no evidence makes it hard to create any real pressure. But that was the goal---get some reactions.
For anyone who doesn't believe my claim there is a post by me day 1 trying to breadcrumb my role where I ask if a vigilante is more likely to hit town than mafia. Then there's post where I name drop Vig while talking Vig vs SK on day 2. On day 3 i asked who do you think killed the second person day1 someone guessed Vig which is why I asked would there be two of the same role.
sorry I'm not quoting my post I'm on mobile for the rest of the day (hopefully day 4 I can be back on computer.) I post a lot it's really hard to find and quote my post on phone or tablet.
sorry I'm not quoting my post I'm on mobile for the rest of the day (hopefully day 4 I can be back on computer.) I post a lot it's really hard to find and quote my post on phone or tablet.
Nins claim I don't really believe. We have a red check so it makes sense to follow that. Ideally the shot should be used on nin so the day can be spent on more fruitful discussion.
I'm not on a computer right now to add the posts which make me weary but this is where I'm thinking.
Vote: TheChuggernaut
I'm not on a computer right now to add the posts which make me weary but this is where I'm thinking.
Vote: TheChuggernaut
Add me to the list for Hagi if nin is being shown to tell the truth. If nin comes up scum I'm still thinking about where that shot should go.
Finally got some time to properly comment, bunch of questions for you all.
Not only does this look bad in restrospect, as Fanto pointed out, but Stan's VA push is making me even more wary of that vote now.
I know I was on his case last phase, but I found his answers and overall tone way better than his D1 stuff and as such I don't think he's the better option right now, even after getting nin.
Fun fact, "admire" was the language I used for a Keymaker last season. Which is wrong since it should be "lock", but whatever
More importantly, would mafia!nin share this? Of course, so it means little. He could even be planting the seeds of a fake claim for one of his mates.
As much as I like voting on how to use town powers - I've done it too and you usually get interesting discussion and a better target - you're also right here. Jman is distancing himself from the responsibility of the shot, that's something to keep in mind.
Hey, hope you're enjoying the game! Let me throw you some questions.
You have us both high on your town list because we confirmed Razmos' claim? I know there's my Princess claim, but you used the "invited by a Gossip" point as the basis of the quoted two.
I may have missed an answer to this - apologies if that's the case! - but could you elaborate a bit here? What do you mean by "solid poster" exactly?
You say "not much to say" but you put him as town. Why?
Stop right there. How do you know what jman's PM says?
Would you mind elaborating? Aeleus wouldn't be my pick either but I'd like to see where are you coming from.
Would you be as kind as to expand a bit on this experience? Thanks.
Also, welcome!
What's happening with this game that everyone makes these jokes. Does the flavor lend itself for this or what? I hate you all.
Hey, you seem to be doing well so I like it. Even if we get less LiS gifs as a result.Some may even say that's an improvement.
Even if you think this, which a few folks already said was a flimsy assumption, you know we shouldn't be lunching bad play.
You want to get Hagi. Anyone else?
Could you talk me about that in spoilers? This seems a bit like you trying to justify the fake claim of a buddy but flavor talk is fun anyways.
Would you mind elaborating a bit more here? For Fanto's paranoia's sake.
Rude.
That's true, forgot about that. Thanks for bringing it up.
Yeah. The Cop outed himself for this so I hope nin is really a baddie because otherwise things will be rough next phase.
Not only does this look bad in restrospect, as Fanto pointed out, but Stan's VA push is making me even more wary of that vote now.
I know I was on his case last phase, but I found his answers and overall tone way better than his D1 stuff and as such I don't think he's the better option right now, even after getting nin.
Fun fact, "admire" was the language I used for a Keymaker last season. Which is wrong since it should be "lock", but whatever
More importantly, would mafia!nin share this? Of course, so it means little. He could even be planting the seeds of a fake claim for one of his mates.
As much as I like voting on how to use town powers - I've done it too and you usually get interesting discussion and a better target - you're also right here. Jman is distancing himself from the responsibility of the shot, that's something to keep in mind.
Hey, hope you're enjoying the game! Let me throw you some questions.
You have us both high on your town list because we confirmed Razmos' claim? I know there's my Princess claim, but you used the "invited by a Gossip" point as the basis of the quoted two.
I may have missed an answer to this - apologies if that's the case! - but could you elaborate a bit here? What do you mean by "solid poster" exactly?
You say "not much to say" but you put him as town. Why?
Stop right there. How do you know what jman's PM says?
Would you mind elaborating? Aeleus wouldn't be my pick either but I'd like to see where are you coming from.
Would you be as kind as to expand a bit on this experience? Thanks.
Also, welcome!
What's happening with this game that everyone makes these jokes. Does the flavor lend itself for this or what? I hate you all.
Hey, you seem to be doing well so I like it. Even if we get less LiS gifs as a result.
Even if you think this, which a few folks already said was a flimsy assumption, you know we shouldn't be lunching bad play.
You want to get Hagi. Anyone else?
Could you talk me about that in spoilers? This seems a bit like you trying to justify the fake claim of a buddy but flavor talk is fun anyways.
Would you mind elaborating a bit more here? For Fanto's paranoia's sake.
Rude.
That's true, forgot about that. Thanks for bringing it up.
Yeah. The Cop outed himself for this so I hope nin is really a baddie because otherwise things will be rough next phase.
your comment is not an official Kings vote but I will take it under consideration if Nin somehow flips town. (assuming we lynch Nin lynching someone else and shooting Nin is still a valid option)
You talking to me, Stan, or both? As far as my post goes the "nin is scum" takes were throwing me off because he really felt like town nin to me. I was honestly hoping someone would give me a read from that post when I made it. Guess I was wrong about nin. It happens
Also we should kill the damn red check what the hell?
I find Jman's claim believable but we don't actually know if it's true and we don't want scum screwing around with any PR's more than they have a chance to
I find Jman's claim believable but we don't actually know if it's true and we don't want scum screwing around with any PR's more than they have a chance to
im talking about shooting Nin instead of lynch obviously Nin can't make it to day 4. I was just thinking about our options I will most like use my real vote on Nin.
calm down we have over 24 hours nobody is going to end the day early
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
nin (3 votes)
MrHedin - #1,357
Vincent Alexander - #1,375
Hagi - #1,435
Kalor - #1,444 #1,610
Aeleus - #1,482 #1,486
Vincent Alexander (1 votes)
Stantastic - #1,378
Hagi (1 votes)
TheChuggernaut - #1,355
Vincent Alexander - #1,366 #1,375
nin - #1,420 #1,424
SalvaPot (1 votes)
Fanto - #1,347
TheChuggernaut (1 votes)
Kalor - #1,610
jman1954goat (0 votes)
Stove - #1,365 #1,591
Lone_Prodigy (0 votes)
Fanto - #1,336 #1,347
Not voting: Reki, Lone_Prodigy, jman1954goat, nin, Aeleus, SalvaPot, Razmos, Stove
Post Counts:
nin: 57 jman1954goat: 30 Fanto: 29 Aeleus: 27 Stantastic: 27 Razmos: 23 Hagi: 20 Vincent Alexander: 18 TheChuggernaut: 17 Lone_Prodigy: 10 MrHedin: 9 Stove: 6 SalvaPot: 4 Reki: 3 Kalor: 2
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Day Start
nin (3 votes)
MrHedin - #1,357
Vincent Alexander - #1,375
Hagi - #1,435
Vincent Alexander (1 votes)
Stantastic - #1,378
Hagi (1 votes)
TheChuggernaut - #1,355
SalvaPot (1 votes)
Fanto - #1,347
TheChuggernaut (1 votes)
Kalor - #1,610
jman1954goat (0 votes)
Lone_Prodigy (0 votes)
Not voting: Reki, Lone_Prodigy, jman1954goat, nin, Aeleus, SalvaPot, Razmos, Stove
Post Counts:
nin: 57 jman1954goat: 30 Fanto: 29 Aeleus: 27 Stantastic: 27 Razmos: 23 Hagi: 20 Vincent Alexander: 18 TheChuggernaut: 17 Lone_Prodigy: 10 MrHedin: 9 Stove: 6 SalvaPot: 4 Reki: 3 Kalor: 2
Current Countdown:
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Sorry I'm advance for the formatting on this if I wasn't on mobile it would be easier. I'll answer things one at a time
Im having fun with the game thanks this day has been really interesting so far.
Maybe it's naive on my part putting both of you high up for confirming their claim but that's the gut feeling I have and hunches are all I got.
Solid poster is just good contributions in my opinion. Things I agree with, thoughts that match my own and insight that makes sense to me.
I'm not sure why I have them in town, I think I spent too long trying to find a fitting Obama gif to be put under nin. They should probably been in a separate section just for themselves.
I originally put down Aeleus because I wanted to see some more from them but they don't really feel scum but more like a question mark. I do think they came out with a pretty helpful plan for the use of Jmans ability.
If I've missed anything or you want me to ask anything else just let me know I'll try to answer as best I can.
Im having fun with the game thanks this day has been really interesting so far.
Maybe it's naive on my part putting both of you high up for confirming their claim but that's the gut feeling I have and hunches are all I got.
Solid poster is just good contributions in my opinion. Things I agree with, thoughts that match my own and insight that makes sense to me.
I'm not sure why I have them in town, I think I spent too long trying to find a fitting Obama gif to be put under nin. They should probably been in a separate section just for themselves.
I originally put down Aeleus because I wanted to see some more from them but they don't really feel scum but more like a question mark. I do think they came out with a pretty helpful plan for the use of Jmans ability.
If I've missed anything or you want me to ask anything else just let me know I'll try to answer as best I can.
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Little late to the party (I was asleep) but this is why we've been giving you such lovely music to listen to at day end and start ;)
Are you keeping track of both the mafia! and town! nin scenarios' votes?
Sure! Sorry I asked a lot to you.
But you're wrong there, we're forbidden from sharing our role PMs in the thread.
Which funnily enough works as kind of a dumbclear, since mafia sometimes is encouraged to post their PMs in their chat. Hmmm.
To both, talked a bit more to Stan due to the vote.
You're right, we all have bad reads. That doesn't make it look better though.
Will you answer my questions nin? Second time you ignore me, it's getting sad.
I see chuggs kinda got to it above but yeah this is dumb, its role madness, its very likely that scum had a roleblocker that they will use on the jmans kill tonight, especially if the target is scum, but maybe anyway to increase suspicion on that target.
Nin should be the lunch so we can be sure itd go through.
Kaine, a main party member and generally good person,is half possessedby a shade, one of the few genuinely cruel/malevolent characters in the game, she is ostracized from her community because of this and other reasons. Which makes sense for miller.
when it takes over it tends to make her extremely violent, and even normally shes a pretty vicious fighter and quick to violent solutions. So the vig shot also makes sense.
when it takes over it tends to make her extremely violent, and even normally shes a pretty vicious fighter and quick to violent solutions. So the vig shot also makes sense.
at the moment I'm only tracking people using bold text to kingshot tracking a vote for two separate scenarios if Nin flips town or not is going to be much harder. plus I'm 95% sure Nin is scum he has not made much sense lately even before the cop read
There is also a shot at play here, point is don't kill nin yet, I'm on page 32.
Royal Decree
Listen well citizens to anyone around that has protection abilities we must protect our cop/investigator at all cost. give your life for them if you must your king demands it !!!!!!!!!
Listen well citizens to anyone around that has protection abilities we must protect our cop/investigator at all cost. give your life for them if you must your king demands it !!!!!!!!!
it's cool like I said to someone earlier I actually feel more engaged and comfortable in the game now so it's fun
maybe I'm using the wrong terminology here saying someone quoting what their role says as posting their pm, I didn't really see the difference until you brought it up
you did make me go back and reread the rules though so that's good, number 6 in the rules is especially interesting
I think you've been doing great, but being more specific makes it easier to discuss with you. For example;
Could you point out the specific thoughts Stan shared that you liked? Same as you did with Aeleus.
(Doesn't need to be right now, if you'd rather do it later in the phase then no problem.)
50%? 70%? 90%?
Also isn't like super late over there?
Oh, sure, just wanted to know a bit more about that. Thanks.
We're all super sure of stuff all the time only to be proven wrong again and again in these games.
Either Aeleus or I can help you tally these votes if you so desire.
The game only has 17 pages though.
(I know I know.)
You're a King only in flavor though, just a murderer in the actual role department.
But I agree so whatever.
rule number 5 says you are not allowed to directly quote or screenshot pm. so yeah my role reveal is a paraphrased version of my role not the direct message.
I would say like %50 - %70, based on anecdotal experience. Feels like damn near every role madness game iv played has had one, so ivthink its better to assume they have one and act accordingly.
Its early morning, had to get up early today and goddamn i didnt get much sleep, lol.
Ok, let's see if I have enough time to write this down.
I want to buy nin's miller claim. Something doesn't add up here.
First, let's see the timing.
First jman claims not one, but TWO vig shots and that he will use for the good of town. Ook... fine? First, you get them because Fran died? Ok, yeah, its really convenient Fran died for you to get the shots, didn't it? Funny how that works. Then, you want to use your shot, the one you have, but not use it yourself but have town choose for you. Sure, make your shots not your responsability, if you have to, that way if the target flips town, hey! It wasn't you, it was the town! We all share the blame.
But then nin went ahead and mentioned he targeted Hagi and Hagi didn't die, in the process taking all the attention from jman. What the hell? WE don't have one, BUT TWO vigilantes? One for the day and one for the night? And convenientenly the one that died was the BG, Fran, who for him to die and not be a scum hit Fran would have to be targeted Hagi. And I have not had the time to look back and try to see who would Fran would target, but why the hell would Fran give his life for hagi? Even if you are BG, you won't go out there and risk yourself for someone that is a complete mystery for you, you'll rather stay on the game and voice your opinions since you know you are more useful on your own, and maybe risk it when we have a confirmed cop or something.
But then there was something else about nin. He didn't mention his miller status. but of course, why would he? Town haaates millers and there was no way in hell anyone would believe that, obvs. But would scum-nin revealed he shot Hagi? What would be the purpose of that?
Here is the important part, nin claimed AFTER another player already claimed had a vig shot, and not only that, he didn't do it to COUNTER that claim, nin did it to CAST HIS SUSPICION ON HAGI. That is, TO PUT ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IN THE HANDS OF TOWN TO UNRAVEL.
Scum-nin would have almost no interest in doing that, why would he risk his position on that, to win townie points? He knows fran died, so that means that scum-nin would know the obvious solution: Fran protected Hagi. If nin puts this info out is because he knows this is not the obvious solution. He shot Hagi, but scum had to shot someone else or had the same target. And why would scum shot Hagi, too? What are the odds of that?
Nin's revelation reads to me like him trying to figure out what the hell happened, it's weird he didn't make a bigger deal of pointing it out, but if what nin is saying is the truth, then there is a scum shot missing.
So, it could be that scum-nin tried to kill hagi, got stopped by fran, and then... what? Scum-nin would not mention there was another shot missing, that is info for scum to keep to itself.
And another thing, if Hagi flips and turns out hagi is town, that solves nothing, we still don't know if Fran protected hagi or not. So really, the only real solution is to flip nin. It just makes sense.
The red check pretty much makes this a foregone conclussion, MrHedin claiming up thrumps anything, really.
If nin dies, and he is miller, then we have to wonder where is the missing shot. Why Hagi didn't die. And nin giving up that information so easily.
And jman would be a second vigilante in the game, a second vigilante that doesn't want to take the shot for himself. Wouldn't it be convenient if nin turns out to be miller and jman shot him because town told him to?
So I think WE SHOULDN'T VOTE on Jmans vote. Have jman shot on his own. And he shouldn't kill nin, that's too easy. You want to take a shot, then shot whoever you feel is scum, jman, don't hide behind us.
I want to buy nin's miller claim. Something doesn't add up here.
First, let's see the timing.
First jman claims not one, but TWO vig shots and that he will use for the good of town. Ook... fine? First, you get them because Fran died? Ok, yeah, its really convenient Fran died for you to get the shots, didn't it? Funny how that works. Then, you want to use your shot, the one you have, but not use it yourself but have town choose for you. Sure, make your shots not your responsability, if you have to, that way if the target flips town, hey! It wasn't you, it was the town! We all share the blame.
But then nin went ahead and mentioned he targeted Hagi and Hagi didn't die, in the process taking all the attention from jman. What the hell? WE don't have one, BUT TWO vigilantes? One for the day and one for the night? And convenientenly the one that died was the BG, Fran, who for him to die and not be a scum hit Fran would have to be targeted Hagi. And I have not had the time to look back and try to see who would Fran would target, but why the hell would Fran give his life for hagi? Even if you are BG, you won't go out there and risk yourself for someone that is a complete mystery for you, you'll rather stay on the game and voice your opinions since you know you are more useful on your own, and maybe risk it when we have a confirmed cop or something.
But then there was something else about nin. He didn't mention his miller status. but of course, why would he? Town haaates millers and there was no way in hell anyone would believe that, obvs. But would scum-nin revealed he shot Hagi? What would be the purpose of that?
Here is the important part, nin claimed AFTER another player already claimed had a vig shot, and not only that, he didn't do it to COUNTER that claim, nin did it to CAST HIS SUSPICION ON HAGI. That is, TO PUT ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IN THE HANDS OF TOWN TO UNRAVEL.
Scum-nin would have almost no interest in doing that, why would he risk his position on that, to win townie points? He knows fran died, so that means that scum-nin would know the obvious solution: Fran protected Hagi. If nin puts this info out is because he knows this is not the obvious solution. He shot Hagi, but scum had to shot someone else or had the same target. And why would scum shot Hagi, too? What are the odds of that?
Nin's revelation reads to me like him trying to figure out what the hell happened, it's weird he didn't make a bigger deal of pointing it out, but if what nin is saying is the truth, then there is a scum shot missing.
So, it could be that scum-nin tried to kill hagi, got stopped by fran, and then... what? Scum-nin would not mention there was another shot missing, that is info for scum to keep to itself.
And another thing, if Hagi flips and turns out hagi is town, that solves nothing, we still don't know if Fran protected hagi or not. So really, the only real solution is to flip nin. It just makes sense.
The red check pretty much makes this a foregone conclussion, MrHedin claiming up thrumps anything, really.
If nin dies, and he is miller, then we have to wonder where is the missing shot. Why Hagi didn't die. And nin giving up that information so easily.
And jman would be a second vigilante in the game, a second vigilante that doesn't want to take the shot for himself. Wouldn't it be convenient if nin turns out to be miller and jman shot him because town told him to?
So I think WE SHOULDN'T VOTE on Jmans vote. Have jman shot on his own. And he shouldn't kill nin, that's too easy. You want to take a shot, then shot whoever you feel is scum, jman, don't hide behind us.
lol I missed that, then more reason to not just say who you are going to shoot on a vote, what the hell, aren't you afraid of your voted king kill getting messed up in any way, jman? What if your target has a self-protect that has to be activated? Way to waste a kill.
Also scum could just not do its kill and frame jman if jman is town. Or jman could be killed by scum if the vote shows jman is about to shot a townie. Or just straight up kill jman to frame the player that won the vote.
Hell, why the hell would you reveal you have two vig shots if you are town and saw the BG is already death, aren't you worried about anyone stopping you? Is that it?
I assumed it was a day kill because that way it wouldn't be stopped, if its a night kill, congratulations, you just painted a massive green highlighted target on your back.
Hell, why the hell would you reveal you have two vig shots if you are town and saw the BG is already death, aren't you worried about anyone stopping you? Is that it?
I assumed it was a day kill because that way it wouldn't be stopped, if its a night kill, congratulations, you just painted a massive green highlighted target on your back.
so you rather me shoot on my own so you can get a read on exactly one player me
or force everyone to vote ( i will vote too) to get potential reads on multiple players.
Some very good points. The claim that Nin shot at Hagi and got Fran instead does bring up the big flaw that scum apparently didn't kill anyone last night if the death was a result of Nin's shot.
In which case they might have targeted someone and failed.
Oh no, you are free to get reads from everyone on that, but how is that any different to Kill/Inv/Protect? Do you really need to put yourself out there and give us your kill? Hell, we have a way to know who everyone wants to kill, its called voting. The red kind.
All scum needs to do to frame you, if you are town, is not killing tonight.
All a scum-you need to do to claim you are been framed is to do the kill and claim scum didn't kill for some reason.
Don't be sad reki, this was not intentional. Could you once more repeat it ? Had a ton on my plate. Would love to answer
we are already down one red vote from yesterday. sparks basically forced us all town and scum to vote for him it gave us no practical data for examination.
Voting is the town's key tool to eliminate scum we have a chance to get two votes worth of info and hopefully two town decided kills in one day phase. we should not waste this gift.
Also if scums grand plan to frame me is to not kill someone tonight mission accomplished lol . Those idiots just let a town live for free with 15 players left in a role madness game for the slight chance to draw suspion on me . that play sounds terrible so I hope the scum think like you.
Meh. Town does this pretty regularly. I see where you're coming from, but this isn't out of the ordinary.
I don't think jmans role adds up but they also didn't need to claim today. Although they have been playing weirdly defensive all game so scum jman claiming early thinking it might decrease the basically non existent suspicion might be possible.
Even with turmoil flipping RB? That sounds high.
And go get some sleep.
While I do agree with this point, opening up discussion on how to use your power normally gives you new perspectives and a better result.
Mind you, I agree that it could've been done in a more subtle way with a PIK round/reads lists (like Hedin) but whatever.
I don't follow here, could you elaborate please?
For consistency in case of a Tracker.
Even if nin really shot Hagi, it's unlikely Fran protected him, so it could just be that the NK targeted Fran directly.
:)
For extra fun in that last one, throw me someone you'd like voted out in both a town! and mafia! Hagi scenarios.
There's strategic sense to that though, no kill can be a solid choice in a number of scenarios. And they're in a pretty good spot right now, they could afford it.