Will be cool to use this in multiplayer games like PUBG, was always apprehensive about using reshade for fear of being VAC banned.
Nvidia Freestyle(Like reshade/Sweetfx) - Apply select post-processing filters to games
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Yeah the whole "select games" part ruins it. Nice novelty feature for those who can't be assed to spend the 3 mins it takes to do a reshade install I guess, but until it offers universal compatibility I don't care how nice the UI looks it's always going to be a b class reshade.
Dark Souls II I get, but are you trying to imply Half-Life 2 looks like that top shot? Because it doesn't.
Reminds me of old ass digital vibrancy. Or the custom post-process shaders of the SM2.0 Radeons.
Nope, I disagree. If I don't like the game's look it is a good thing that I can change it. Artists may be limited by technology, performance or any trends of the time and they're certainly not infallible.
"Supported games", and my interest immediately killed. These filters should be able to apply to any game...
Half-Life 2 looks like that if you disable the lighting. It's very similar to Dark Souls II's case of cutting out the lighting system last minute and the environments suffering when they were designed around that system being in place.
When they removed the lighting system from Dark Souls II, it made the world look flat and lifeless.... Except we couldn't enable it even if we had the hardware capable of handling it.
They're winning by making worse versions of things that already exist and making it less open, compatible with a comparative tiny number of games.
Its weird to me how spotty the support for the assassins creed series is. they went and added it all the way back to the first one but couldnt be bothered with Black Flag and Syndicate?
It would be interesting to know how the compatible games were selected. Do they have anything in common that could warrant a place in that list?
I am sure that they'll introduce more games as soon as possible, alongside new features.
Reshade does a similar thing, yes, but is can be damn awful and simply not work with some games. LotRO is quite nasty with Reshade, no matter how you tweak settings.
This is only a good thing, lazy people like me can use NVidia's offering, and other people can use Reshade and similar.
Reshade is decent, but it loads so damn long that I don't like to use it. I switch frequently between a browser and a game, and if the game is in fullscreen reshade reloads every time I change to game. It is annoying and the main reason I don't use it very much. ESO is beautiful with my own preset, and luckily it works even when using windowed mode.
I just can't understand why people would be AGAINST this? I mean, it adds a tool that many people would like to use. It doesn't take away anything.
I am sure that they'll introduce more games as soon as possible, alongside new features.
Reshade does a similar thing, yes, but is can be damn awful and simply not work with some games. LotRO is quite nasty with Reshade, no matter how you tweak settings.
This is only a good thing, lazy people like me can use NVidia's offering, and other people can use Reshade and similar.
Reshade is decent, but it loads so damn long that I don't like to use it. I switch frequently between a browser and a game, and if the game is in fullscreen reshade reloads every time I change to game. It is annoying and the main reason I don't use it very much. ESO is beautiful with my own preset, and luckily it works even when using windowed mode.
I just can't understand why people would be AGAINST this? I mean, it adds a tool that many people would like to use. It doesn't take away anything.
nope; nice meme comment though not based in objective reality but kids whining about in youtube comments
Warning: Inflammatory
because most of the people on these video gaming forums are mentally 12; it's emotional child like reactions
and people wonder why gamers are seen as childish and a meme to be shat on
It's objective reality that the compatible number of games is less, and if other Nvidia software like Ansel is any indication this will be a Black box too. "Memes" though right?
Give me one, one reason why NVidia shouldn't do this or why I shouldn't use it? I've used Reshade for years, before it was called reshade (or whatever the earlier thing was, that Russian guy's program).
You haven't offered a single reason why NVidia is doing wrong by making this.
I will use the NVidia version if it is better or better compatible with games I play. Especially if it takes less resources.
EDIT. Removed unnecessary aggressivity.
Wow lots of people in here are upset about having an option on the PC. Isn't that why everyone loves the PC, options to do what you want. It isnt even out and people are upset over something that is free and could possibly offer different options to reshade. I am mainly playing Warframe right now, so I will probably play around in it a bit.
As a colour blind person the fact it's a post process filter is not helpfully at all honestly for my colour blindness at least...
It's likely nice as a driver level alternative to enb / reshade tho, shame it's not all games.
I'll explain why.... As I have Deuteranopia pretty bad I commonly confuse colour like:
were Bright green until someone actually corrected me only last year... it still looks green to me even tho I know now that is not the case.
Anyway some games will have colourblind modes that will replace colours for UI makers (Say arrows to show Teammates and non teammates).
Rather than being say a mid red and a mid green which will look the same to me they replace the colour with say Bright red and Bright Blue....
This is good as a can tell those apart.
Other games (Doom 2016 is a good example of this) basically applies a filter to entire display... This is bad..
Just cos I'm colourblind doesn't mean I can't tell you've applied a piss like filter to the game and ruined it.
Why is that bad.. well I was born with this colour blindness so I know no different at all. sure I confuse colours... similar applying a filter on the entire display output is lazy AF as all it does make the game look terrible... I can still tell the difference and it's a worse experience.
I don't need the entire display filtered to help me I just need important indicators that clash with me to not be colours that clash.
It's better that the devs take time to make sure environmental indicators, UI etc are to colours that don't clash for me in a Colour blind mode.... sure it takes more effort.
So honestly a driver level filter sounds more like a the bad kind of colour blind mode.
It's likely nice as a driver level alternative to enb / reshade tho, shame it's not all games.
I'll explain why.... As I have Deuteranopia pretty bad I commonly confuse colour like:
- Mid-reds with mid-greens
- Blue-greens with grey and mid-pinks
- Bright greens with yellows
- Pale pinks with light grey
- Mid-reds with mid-brown
- Light blues with lilac
were Bright green until someone actually corrected me only last year... it still looks green to me even tho I know now that is not the case.
Anyway some games will have colourblind modes that will replace colours for UI makers (Say arrows to show Teammates and non teammates).
Rather than being say a mid red and a mid green which will look the same to me they replace the colour with say Bright red and Bright Blue....
This is good as a can tell those apart.
Other games (Doom 2016 is a good example of this) basically applies a filter to entire display... This is bad..
Just cos I'm colourblind doesn't mean I can't tell you've applied a piss like filter to the game and ruined it.
Why is that bad.. well I was born with this colour blindness so I know no different at all. sure I confuse colours... similar applying a filter on the entire display output is lazy AF as all it does make the game look terrible... I can still tell the difference and it's a worse experience.
I don't need the entire display filtered to help me I just need important indicators that clash with me to not be colours that clash.
It's better that the devs take time to make sure environmental indicators, UI etc are to colours that don't clash for me in a Colour blind mode.... sure it takes more effort.
So honestly a driver level filter sounds more like a the bad kind of colour blind mode.
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I said it's a worse thing than something that already exists, that it'll work with fewer games, that it'll be a Black box beholden to Nvidia for updates, compatibility, and modification, I didn't say anything about why people should use it or why Nvidia shouldn't have made it. Only pointed out why a shitty proprietary solution is just that.
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Could someone @ me once the new GFE beta is up in case I miss it. Thanks.
Hmmm I don't agree there especially not after AMD'S recent Adrenalin release. Driver was maybe?
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The select titles means I'll probably be sticking with SweetFX
Also, I just started messing with reshade to play Homefront, and the ability to turn up the saturation and clarity just a smidgen, made the game infintely more playable than trying to shoot another gray character against a grey backdrop.
This is such a weird way of seeing it. First of all, people have been doing this for a long while with SweetFX and Reshade. Second of all, it allow for people to change setting to their liking. Seeing as PC games can have such variable settings already, I fail to see how this is any different than a player wanting to turn off DOF, god rays, shadows, etc...
Also, I just started messing with reshade to play Homefront, and the ability to turn up the saturation and clarity just a smidgen, made the game infintely more playable than trying to shoot another gray character against a grey backdrop.
I mean, if they use LUTs for colour correction (which I would hope they do, as it is fairly standard in video editing and would make a lot of presets already available) it will actually offer you the best possible solution as you (or someone else doing it for you) will be able to take a still frame of the title (like a screenshot) and then adjust the colours in something like photoshop and then export that and it will remap those colours in realtime to your chosen alternative colour - so the 'colour swap' you are talking about as being beneficial will be able to be done very easily.
It will also allow for fancier effects, such as Schindlers List / Sin City remapping of everything except red to a monochrome so you can make every game look like Mad World
Its good enough for 90% of the people who use their cards same with the video capture feature.
That sounds good.. but if look at doom 2016 it has colour blind modes and for Deuteranopia mode below
As its a whole screen it doesn't help me at all... even tho I colourblind I can tell it's just a washed out piss filter.
So if it's a whole screen effect its not helpful to me and is actually worse, changing colours that actually don't need to be.
This article describes the issues far better than I can: http://www.gamersexperience.com/col...-the-industry-heading-in-the-right-direction/
It's far better to allow me the user to set important indicators to what suits me... The whole environment doesn't need to be changed, I think wasps are green, well you shouldn't desaturation a wasp cos I gonna think it looks weird, cos I was born with colour blindness I know no different.
I just need indicators and such to be right for me, and that's likely different for others with colour blindness too.. There is no such thing as a decent colour blindness filter... The best filter is to allow us to set our own palette for indicators, UI, particular effects, not change the entire environment or apply a whole screen filter.
After 25 years of video games It's never held me back, but is a problem sometimes... And although some devs are trying they are still wide of the mark and still don't get it, I mean why would they if they aren't colour blind.
I think the crucial point is:
- Do not alter that which does not need to be altered.
- Help the player distinguish between vital information necessary to play the game.
- A player should not experience colors in games differently than they perceive them naturally in the world.
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You mean "Tried to paint as shitty a proprietary solution that is in beta and that I've not yet tried".
Doesn't sound as informed and constructive as you may think it is.
Let's give them the benefit of the doubt, if it ends up shitty and completely inferior to reshade everyone will keep using reshade, no harm done.
I mean, outside of the scope of using iconography to convey information and not purely colour, which is literally down to developers to implement, this should still be a better solution (if it is user customisable) as you will be able to set specific colours to specific other colours precisely to achieve what you personally consider to look good.
Like... its literally the opposite of a one size fits all solution, which I think is what you're actually criticising, as developers often don't have the time or inclination to come up with multiple filters for multiple degrees or forms of colour blindness and opt for a 'catch all' compromise solution instead. You as an individual obviously would have that time and inclination to want to do that.
Basically yeah... I might write a thread up on this as I don't think it's generally understood well. Non Colour blind people will see the colour blind option and think "Good on the devs for including this", whereas Colour blind people can be like "WTF is this?"
I don't know what relation restoring an entire lighting system through mods has to do with cheap-looking color filters. We can have that discussion if you want to, but it's not really what I'm talking about.
Even changing a film's color grading, which is a really complex and controversial task for a number of reasons, is not the same thing as a filter which automatically adjusts the image of each scene to the same set of distorted parameters. But sure, let's go put a wacky rainbow color filter on Kubrick because we think the film isn't colorful enough. I'm sure that will improve Clockwork Orange.
Butcher the game's art style if you want, but people should be aware they are destroying the carefully composed vision of artists. Video games are no different than any other art form.
No, ban it. I'm actually the person running all world government, and I'm going to ban it. (see above)
No, it's really not. It's like saying "if I don't like how Picasso's Guernica looks, it's a good thing to be able to change it. Here, let me take pretty crayons and draw all over my full-sized print of the painting."
Art isn't just composed by random. You are being presented with the creative vision of the artists who toiled to make a work of art for you to enjoy, with the only conditions being that you appreciate it via the creative parameters they have set. No one can explain to me why this is a good thing beyond the petulant "thanks, but I'll do what I want" responses. Like watching a colorized version of Raging Bull or listening to a bass-boosted, distorted version of Sign o' The Times, no one's going to stop you, but you should be aware this is not what the creators intended. It may vary some from game to game. PUBG's devs might not care about these sort of filters, but imagine playing a game like Braid with an oversaturated, crushed filter or a sepia filter. At that point you're totally wrecking your enjoyment of the game's artwork.
Exactly.
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Vast majority of the consumers are not seeing the picture as the artist intended anyway. Every display is different and extremely few go through the trouble to properly calibrate their displays. So what the artist intended as a certain composition of colors, might appear like that but all in different tones. I don't see why anyone complain about these optional filters.
Not to mention there really isn't a standard that I know of that game devs follow most of the time like the film industry. I do BT709 on most of my displays right now since I watch video content as well on most of them.
I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update added color blindness filters.
It's in the accessibility options and they can be toggled at any time using WIN+CTRL+C
I don't have color blindness, but find the invert option useful sometimes (though not for gaming).
It should be working in most fullscreen games now if you have the Fall Creators Update.
Of course it would be best if developers included more options for color blindness, but in the absence of these options, the filters try to make colors more distinct so that there's less chance of them blending together.
It's not so that you can say "this is green, that is yellow", it's so that you can say "these are two different colors" so that a yellow object passing over a green background is visible rather than invisible, for example.
