One of the most common kneejerk responses to any sort of critical discussion with video games isI don't know how people can say that Cyberpunk 2077 has no messages or that they are not making a statement about particular themes, i mean
Cyberpunk 2077 quest designer says it's 'inherently political'
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Uh, how has it been sanitized of sexuality? Did you miss the gameplay demo? And while not shown to the public, the demo the showed the press at gamescom showed the male character having a one night stand with another man.This just reads so hollow when everything shown of Cyberpunk 2077 so far has been so completely sanitized of sexuality and LGBT representation. Nothing shown so far makes it seem like brazen depictions of objectified sexuality aren't still considered taboo in Night City, which makes the advertisement just popping up on a wall seem more like an attempt to be absurd and mocking. Especially when the advertisement's design is designed similarly to bigoted jokes about trans people - "Oh, a sexy woman! Ah, surprise, there's a penis. Mix it up! Don't take it personally, It's a joke." which just comes across as bigotry in the guise of edgy social commentary.
Show the screenshot to some trans people and ask them if they feel empathized with.
I think it's quite arrogant of you to assume all trans people would feel the same about this image.I know a trans person who found this ad empowering, like "look at that sexy huge penis in your face, on this feminine body". I think the nice thing about it art is that it can be different thing for different people.
Gotta love folks jumping to conclusion in the beginning without input from the creators.
I went and read your other posts. I agree with you. The emphasis on the ridiculously sized penis does seem far beyond what would be considered extreme, even in a futuristic dystopia. It would absolutely be possible to have an ad depicting a character with a combination of physical traits considered sexy that communicated the same idea in a way that, let's be honest, sexualized ads depicting cis men and women will in the game.I wish some folks would understand that trans people are upset because we wanna like the game lol
There are a plethora of reasons why this is transphobic, several pointed out by trans people like myself, in the other thread
Over "ashamed of your words and deeds with Quiet" perv? I never played Snatcher so I can't argue. Keep in mind being in the helicopter with her is basically her being like YO CHECK OUT THIS BODY constantly.
I mean the director of WD:Legion openly admitted that his game is political and makes statements meant to make us reflect on the real world.Can't wait.
I'm ready to fucking dive into some weighty political messages and social themes. That's what I'm excited about. We'll have to wait and see if they pulled it off or fucked up royally. But it's way better than Ubisoft "we are very carefully trying not to be political in any way, please enjoy."
Ah, yeah that's a bummer.If I remember correctly, their statement boiled down to "we're sorry you were offended" which isn't a real apology.
One of Hellblade's central themes is mental illness and it handles it in a very mature, serious manner. They talked to experts, they talked to people actually suffering from psychosis, they took loads of notes, they had those people watch them play the game and tell them if they got shit wrong,... And they were very open about how they approached the issue and that they were doing all of these things. They've also donated significant amounts of the money earned from the game to related charities.
Can't wait.
I'm ready to fucking dive into some weighty political messages and social themes. That's what I'm excited about. We'll have to wait and see if they pulled it off or fucked up royally. But it's way better than Ubisoft "we are very carefully trying not to be political in any way, please enjoy."
"So when you've got other studios saying, 'Oh, no no no, there's nothing political here', we say, 'Yeah, there is.' It's not necessarily what you're expecting, and we're not going to talk about exactly what we're going to say- it's for you to decide when you play it. But Cyberpunk is relevant to today, extremely so. To pretend like it's not? Come on. Mike [Pondsmith, Cyberpunk 2020 creator] wouldn't let us. Mike would throw a fit if we tried to say, 'This is just about cool hairstyles and cool guns, that's all.'"
Developing something new doesn't mean forgetting its essence and what was important about it. Pondsmith's tabletop games touched on politics, painting a bleak future for our world, and CD Projekt Red isn't shying away from that. "Cyberpunk 2020 was created as a response to the Reagan and Thatcher era," Mills explains. "Then we all kind of got distracted and decided that that whole image of the future is kitsch, but I don't know if you've turned on the news lately, it wound up coming true. I think it's more relevant than ever and it's an interesting task bringing it into the modern era."
I think it's quite arrogant of you to assume all trans people would feel the same about this image.
of this issue in particular? i think she explained it pretty well, and she even goes on to say that this image is not only a representation of society in the game, but also supposed to be jarring in its' oversexualization - just like advertisements are today. in the past tho, yeah, Red has def had issues with this stuff. but i am satisfied with the reply this time. it seems she really thought out the image and this isnt just a ham-fisted quick PR response.
That's how they want you to feel, though.What can i say but Yikes.
The game looks good but CDPRs handling of this makes me feel super uncomfortable.
Frankly they would've accepted any answer. Now then, it'd be cool if some journalist could address the racist gang stereotypes as I can't see any statement being made about that aside from window dressing in downtrodden areas.Wow this thread has a lot of people who were just chomping at the bit to feel better about hand-waving these issues.
I mean the director of WD:Legion openly admitted that his game is political and makes statements meant to make us reflect on the real world.
Maybe wait until you've played the game and understand the context before critiquing how it deals with complex issues?
I mean, I'm not here to defend CDPR or Cyberpunk, I don't even care that much about the game - But one RPS article doesn't really tell us anything about how the game treats race in the city. When we jump to judgement we're not furthering any cause, we're just muddying up the discourse and being counter-productive to games actually tackling complex issues. Cyberpunk might very well turn out to be offensive or insensitive, but let's at least know that it is before getting up in arms?
Yeah it's a pretty good explanation. Then again I wonder nowadays when we'll as a society get to those levels of advertisements.A perfectly reasonable explanation. The game isn't supposed to be 100% comfortable due to the world it's depicting.
I think it's quite arrogant of you to assume all trans people would feel the same about this image.
Maybe wait until you've played the game and understand the context before critiquing how it deals with complex issues?
I mean, I'm not here to defend CDPR or Cyberpunk, I don't even care that much about the game - But one RPS article doesn't really tell us anything about how the game treats race in the city. When we jump to judgement we're not furthering any cause, we're just muddying up the discourse and being counter-productive to games actually tackling complex issues. Cyberpunk might very well turn out to be offensive or insensitive, but let's at least know that it is before getting up in arms?
I don't agree honesty. The artist that created the picture said:Interesting.
So the content of the ad was intended to be offensive. People who were saying that the ad was cool and empowering etc. completely missed CDPR's point. And, in fact, showed themselves to be part of the problem.
It would be if the ad had featured blatant misogyny and objectification, and women said it was offensive, and then dudebros answered "no that chick is hot, what's the problem? it's empowering!", then CDPR said "actually that ad is intended to be offensive".
It's encouraging that the CDPR artist fully understands that and is presenting this as social commentary, too.
You're still allowed to be mad and everyone else is still allowed to wait and see. The problem is when people shit up every thread related to a game based on old drama that is tangentially related.So much fucking hate at the people mocking others for being concerned about this and getting on their high horse about it.
The response is decent but I feel like you people would have accepted any old shit they said, just like how you all creamed your pants over the shitty non-apology they gave for making transphobic tweets and acting like it completely absolved them.
And yeah I'm angry about this because I've seen all of the CDPR threads so far and seen all the bans and shitty opinions while I try and defend the most vulnerable members of my community and to be mocked for actually giving a shit is just peak non-interested gamer bullshit
Can you sniff the panties of an underage girl in MGSV?
I didn't think so.
This, but hey, can't criticize it as easily if you have to post positive previews as seen with other threads and on twitter.Uh, how has it been sanitized of sexuality? Did you miss the gameplay demo? And while not shown to the public, the demo the showed the press at gamescom showed the male character having a one night stand with another man.
I appreciate that you went and read!I went and read your other posts. I agree with you. The emphasis on the ridiculously sized penis does seem far beyond what would be considered extreme, even in a futuristic dystopia. It would absolutely be possible to have an ad depicting a character with a combination of physical traits considered sexy that communicated the same idea in a way that, let's be honest, sexualized ads depicting cis men and women will in the game.
You're kinda splitting hairs here. "The content" in my post refers to the ad in the game, not the woman's body.So the content was not supposed to be "offensive". Totally the opposite. It was the way the content was used that was supposed to be "offensive".
We are talking about a picture taken from Nvidia's ray tracing demonstration, wherein someone zoomed in all the way to the back so that they could even see the particular piece of art we're talking about. They weren't exactly trying to show it off.