Eh it is perfectly reasonable to assert that the US has been one of the main causes of human misery in foreign countries around the globe since the 90s. What is not reasonable is to expect that Russia wouldn't do the same at the very least and probably even worse. Citing US imperialism to justify the destabilization of democracy for Russian gain is ridiculous. You don't have to pick either lmao. Both are shit.
This is very much not ludicrous when US is now still fight shadow wars all over Africa, still in Afghanistan, and destroyed Iraq and Libya. They are all terrible but I know it's the usual 'it's not bad if we do it' narrative you and I are usually at odds with. You're talking about hacking and I'm talking about human lives taken by signature drone strikes.
They annexed another province and yeah, that's fucked up. But again, we're no better. We're occupying Northeastern Syria being salty over a multi-billion dollar regime change attempt that didn't work out and neglecting our own little piece of annexed territory.
We can do this all day. But the point is, the US is absolutely no matter and that's a fact. I won't budge on that.
They annexed another province and yeah, that's fucked up. But again, we're no better. We're occupying Northeastern Syria being salty over a multi-billion dollar regime change attempt that didn't work out and neglecting our own little piece of annexed territory.
We can do this all day. But the point is, the US is absolutely no matter and that's a fact. I won't budge on that.
They're gonna classify that info and release it when we're all near our deathbeds.Any day now information will come out that votes were in fact tampered with. Shit is fucked
Was there really no better way to get to Ecuador than Russia? I mean even if it wasnt Snowdens intention, he had to know how that lookedSnowden wasn't headed for Russia, he was going to Ecuador (on Julien Assange's recommendation), but Hong Kong didn't have a direct flight to Ecuador available, while Russia did, so he was going to bounce from Hong Kong to Russia to Ecuador, but then America revoked his passport while he was in the air between Hong Kong and Russia, and he got trapped in Russia as soon as his plane landed.
America pretty much handed Snowden over to Russia.
Trumps incredible number of references to wiki leaks always struck me back in late 2016.
No way that fucker didn't know what was going on in the background..
They're gonna classify that info and release it when we're all near our deathbeds.
Multipolarity could very well lead to more world wars.That's not what I'm saying at all. I hope you guys understand that by multipolarity, I'm not talking about swapping one for the other.
Russia is right now worse than the US by pretty much any measure. To argue otherwise is to not know what's going on. That doesn't mean the US is perfect.
Nah, man. The "Russia sympathizer" meme comes from the Sunken Place (the old forum).
WikiLeaks said:Interesting timing choice by DoJ today (right before Trump-Putin meet), announcing indictments against 12 alleged Russian intelligence officers for allegedly releasing info through DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0
Phew, someone brought the receipts out. Bravo.Actually, I think it comes from you:
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ad nauseum
And that's before we get into your defense of Russian-proxies like Assad, with full blown crisis actor conspiracy theories and defense of chemical weapon strikes on civilians.
Actually, I think it comes from you:
mod edit: don't go playing internet detectives by bringing up stuff from the old site
ad nauseum
And that's before we get into your defense of Russian-proxies like Assad, with full blown crisis actor conspiracy theories and defense of chemical weapon strikes on civilians.
Actually, I think it comes from you:
mod edit: don't go playing internet detectives by bringing up stuff from the old site
ad nauseum
And that's before we get into your defense of Russian-proxies like Assad, with full blown crisis actor conspiracy theories and defense of chemical weapon strikes on civilians.
Actually, I think it comes from you:
mod edit: don't go playing internet detectives by bringing up stuff from the old site
ad nauseum
And that's before we get into your defense of Russian-proxies like Assad, with full blown crisis actor conspiracy theories and defense of chemical weapon strikes on civilians.
He isn't but he is a Russia/Wikileaks stan, which is the same level of fucking stupid. It's taking the whole anti-america thing to a whole 'nother level.
Lol noSo is that dude going to even going to try and show his face in here again?
Yikes. That...is not a good look. Why such the strong defense of clearly horrible activities by the Russian government?
Not really impressive. I don't feel the same way about a lot of that stuff anymore.Yeah, this chud isn't fooling anyone. It's pretty obvious Mr. West Philly prefers his tyrants of the Slavic variety. The fact that WL and Putin have no compunction with beating on minorities is just a little collateral damage in their search for Utopia
No, you're being ignorant here. You're talking to a Black man in America. US is just as bad. Period.That's just ignorance. If you're telling me you're just as well off living in Russia as you are in the US, you're either lying or you have no idea what's actually happening in the world.
Haven't you noticed everyone is so afraid of the shit Trump is doing because it looks like he's trying to emulate in small parts the sorts of things Putin does regularly and with impunity? Jailing reporters and dissidents, killing opponents, annexing countries, treating LBGTQ and minorities in ways that make the US look like a utopia, etc, etc, etc. That is all real and happening.
Not really impressive. I don't feel the same way about a lot of that stuff anymore.
Most post history is open for all to see.
No, you're being ignorant here. You're talking to a Black man in America. US is just as bad. Period.
I don't need to list war with you. This stuff speaks for itself.
This is not helpful, but ok.
All states work to maximize and exert their power. Its cruel but its the way the system works.People in this thread clinging to "who's worse" as if geopolitical reality is manifested based on who's a good guy and who's a bad guy are looking solidly out of their depth.
The US has been demanding its way to friend and enemy alike well before Trump. American interference to support a corporate pillaging of the emerging Russian federation did a lot to create the oligarchs place of power in Russia today. If the US has a problem with Russia acting aggressively within a perceived sphere of influence maybe they should have set a better example over the last 50 years as to limiting aggression.
That isn't to say that it would not be a good thing to have America's current mess sorted out with a hypothetically positive American influence remaining strong into the future, but in the here and now it is straight up disrespectful in my mind to try and equivocate the consequences of America's overseas interventions with the internal repressions of an illiberal state when talking about the international consequences of state action.
No, you're being ignorant here. You're talking to a Black man in America. US is just as bad. Period.
I don't need to list war with you. This stuff speaks for itself.
I knew your username was familiar. What a convenient time to change a mind.Not really impressive. I don't feel the same way about a lot of that stuff anymore.
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We should let the LGBT community know that they'll be just as well off in Russia as in the US. Better even.
You don't know when I changed my mind.I knew your username was familiar. What a convenient time to change a mind.
That's true too. And that's a very real limitation. It's not like I'm saying Russia *has* to be one of the nodes but it's just how the current situation presents itself at the moment (even if it's just militarily for them - they aren't a superpower in my opinionMultipolarity could very well lead to more world wars.
But yeah, if we were say making countries like Argentina, South Africa and Australia equal powers I could understand. But Russia is one of the worst functioning nation states in the world, imho.
That's a strawman. My argument is not about where l'd be better off. And frankly, the "go live somewhere else" thing is very uncomforting to hear in the current political climate. I know that's not what you're saying, but just in case you were thinking it. As far as traveling, I'm already on my second passport and the first one needed to have extra pages sown in. Ive been all over the planet (still need to hit Southeast and East Asia). Traveling definitely had an impression on my worldview. And certainly have the stamps to prove it.If you don't think you're better off in the US you should travel more. Your opinion on this can't even smell correct from where it lives.
We still name-calling I see. Cool. But we never had a convo about sexual minorities though. I'm not ignoring any of that stuff at all, I know how hard LGBTQIA have it many societies. And this is not zero-sum. By pointing out US shortfalls, I'm not saying the others are better. In fact, the discussion went the other way with KHarvey and Kirblar saying the US wasn't as bad and me disagreeing with a list of my own. I explained my position on this.Funny how this chud likes to ignore both Putin and WL total disregard for LGBTQI safety. So much for FreedumbFighter's intersectionality cred
I think the election was surely hacked and altered, but releasing that info would be too massive for people to comprehend and the ramifications of it would be incredibly damaging.Fresh reminder that they threw Reality Winner under the jail for even suggesting such a thing might be possible. If even one vote was altered, we will not hear about it before the 2020 elections are over and done with.
You don't know when I changed my mind.
That's true too. And that's a very real limitation. It's not like I'm saying Russia *has* to be one of the nodes but it's just how the current situation presents itself at the moment (even if it's just militarily for them - they aren't a superpower in my opinion
That's a strawman. My argument is not about where l'd be better off. And frankly, the "go live somewhere else" thing is very uncomforting to hear in the current political climate. I know that's not what you're saying, but just in case you were thinking it. As far as traveling, I'm already on my second passport and the first one needed to have extra pages sown in. Ive been all over the planet (still need to hit Southeast and East Asia). Traveling definitely had an impression on my worldview. And certainly have the stamps to prove it.
We never had a convo about sexual minorities though. I'm not ignoring any of that stuff at all, I know how hard LGBTQIA have it many societies
No, I just think we have different experiences, and thus, have different perspectives on the matter.Well if you think the US and Russia are on the same level with regards to how they treat people you either didn't spend much or any time there or didn't pay enough attention. It's an objective fact what you're saying makes no sense. Putin is worse than even Trump, never mind a normal president. The comparison to how the two countries are run couldn't be more stark.
Have you ever listened to someone like Gary Kasparov? You go look and see if he thinks the US and Russia are on equal footing here.
Uhm, not sure what you're on about here but ok.And again, you can't even name Russia as you try to Both Sides the issue at hand. You've been exposed. Sad!
No, I just think we have different experiences, and thus, have different perspectives on the matter.
No, I just think we have different experiences, and thus, have different perspectives on the matter.
Uhm, not sure what you're on about here but ok.