This is the issue at hand. The other stuff above you wrote is not.
Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]
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It seems like a new thread needs to be created regarding the major problem of PC Epic accounts that got linked to PSN not being able to transfer their purchases to XBox/Switch as most people in this thread seems to be focused on crossplay when the major problem is Sony is holding people's purchases hostage.
If you make an Epic account on PC, play 200 hours on PC, spend $200 on PC, you have the right to use that on a Switch. However, if you play on PS4 for one minute, Sony poisons your account and removes your ability to play it on Switch. Even if you disassociate/unlink your account from PSN, your account is still poisoned. There seems to be no warning whatsoever about PS4 poisoning your account.
That's not quite accurate. You can still use it on PC. The problem is that something you buy on PC which you have the right to use on Switch gets poisoned by Sony the instant you play on PS4, removing the right to play it on Switch with seemingly no warning whatsoever.
You can't sign in and play on an Xbox One either. I was already console banned whenever I made the switch from PS4 to Xbox One X and I had no idea it was even a thing. I couldn't believe their answer after all the time I'd spent in the game, as well as all the gear I had purchased and obtained through BP, was to create a new account. I never did and I haven't played Fortnite since.
It got A LOT less attention than these threads are getting.
Which tells me straight up. A lot of posters don't really care. They just want to use this to further their console war agenda. Now mind you do have people in these threads trying to do something, but people would rather argue instead of actually trying to promote change. Then wonder why people aren't talking about it days later.
Honestly there are only two things left Microsoft needs to do and they will be the perfect pro-consumer company for their fans:
1. Get rid of Gold requirement for free-to-play games
2. Get rid of 50k minimum print limit for discs
They completely wipe the floor with Sony on any other conceivable metric when it comes to services / platform features and the "consumer-friendly" nature of those services / features.
Sony's response is fucking laughable. And seeing Microsoft improve their 1st-party recently, and seeing Phil Spencer's commitment/wish to get more Japanese games on Xbox, makes me really really glad I've stuck with that ecosystem.
1. Get rid of Gold requirement for free-to-play games
2. Get rid of 50k minimum print limit for discs
They completely wipe the floor with Sony on any other conceivable metric when it comes to services / platform features and the "consumer-friendly" nature of those services / features.
Sony's response is fucking laughable. And seeing Microsoft improve their 1st-party recently, and seeing Phil Spencer's commitment/wish to get more Japanese games on Xbox, makes me really really glad I've stuck with that ecosystem.
Disagree completely.
Every new gen is a new beginning. Making decisions based on what a company did the previous gen is a bad idea.
Look at what happened with Microsoft this gen. Or Sony last gen.
It's being used as a refuting point when people say Phil would still be saying the same PR junk if he was the Market leader. Honestly, circular arguments like these are tiring for both sides.
Not true. Everything changed after that E3.
People still thought the XB1 couldn't play used games well beyond launch. I remember that Gamestop even had to advertise about this.
It's an example i wrote to illustrate why the issue matters and how it can influence the market.
People are dismissing this because "lol, it's okay because sony is the market leader", but that's not how it works, it matters and it can totally affect sales.
It's not even about crossplay in the switch situation, not being able to transfer your account is unbelievably scummy on Sony's part. If they they'd allowed people to do that no one would've complained about crossplay because a small percentage of players use it.
For some yes, but for those of us on here mostly it was about being cheaper and more powerful compared to the Xbox.
It's going to be interesting when they're on a more level field come next gen.
Again, people are missing the problem. It's not just being associated with PSN. You can UNLINK your Epic account from PSN and still be FOREVER BANNED from playing on Xbox or Switch.
I would say there has been a very obvious shift in mentality at Microsoft thats immediately obvious over the past 5 years. Notice word's inclusion on ios, android and mac, Xbox games being released on pc and far fewer of their software applications being locked to their ecosystem. The company has become much more services first and platform agnostic.
That's not to say it's been roses just look at windows 10 and uwp. But there has been fundamental shift in terms of company goals at Microsoft.
Maybe. That's kind of the problem with hypothetical situations lol
Lmao at that response. Arrogant as hell. Hopefully someone takes them down a peg next gen.
Didn't even respond to the actual problem that is cross-platform account access.
Didn't even respond to the actual problem that is cross-platform account access.
Nah, the two aren't comparable. I can take my account away from MS at anytime if I so choose. That's what's so odd about this.
Nah crossplay is getting bigger and bigger in the industry and soon it will be everywhere...
It's both.
Well for all the people who want to Sony to give in they should probably leave Microsoft out of it and focus on Nintendo
When people hear u have to pay for gold to play a free to play game that's going to make them say Nope
I'm not sure how Nintendo's online is hopefully it's good
When people hear u have to pay for gold to play a free to play game that's going to make them say Nope
I'm not sure how Nintendo's online is hopefully it's good
Xbox as a product has completely turned things around, but it is STILL fighting off the stigma of its disastrous debut.
Even I still grin at how badly Xbox shot itself in the foot only for Sony to go "we won't do that, we're the same as ever" and people cheered and PS4 vaulted to the top pretty much overnight in terms of public approval.
But this is the sort of "arrogant Sony (tm)" behavior that hobbled their steam going into the PS3 era. They have very short memories when they're at the top.
Yeah, they just need to let people unlink their accounts. That's the only reason this has properly blown up.
- Xbox fiasco only helped in the States. Rest of the world (Except UK) never cared about the Xbox. In Europe there were countries with 5:1 ratio during the Ps3-360 era.
- After how PS3 ended in terms of exclusive (the reason Sony was able to equalize the sales with 360) many were going to jump eventually to the PS4 to play their next 1st party projects. The catchphrases "Xbox it's the Halo-Forza-Gears machine" or "Xbox it's the FPS machine" aren't from this gen.
Ah, much more nuanced then 'MS are good guys'. I apologize if I came off as condescending.
It's a combination of all those things really.
I bought a PS4 at launch after mainly using 360 last gen. But it was largely due to the price and performance and the exclusives. Used game thing played into it a bit, but ultimately if MS had had the better option hardware/software wise, I'd have gone there.
There's a number of factors that play into what console seems to be the best choice....none of them have to do with what happened the previous generation though.
This whole thing is strange. I wonder if Sony is worried about the precedent it would set to support full cross platform play? Like it may create a dam breaking event where more games' MP would choose to go full cross platform, thus blurring the lines of what it means to own any console. That's for sure what MS would want as they would probably prefer everyone to be playing games on windows rather than consoles eventually, whereas Sony is currently enjoying a resurgence because of their console business.
Not sure Sony should be that worried about cross platform play though. They are killing it with their internal studios right now, and that alone should give them a great adavantage heading into next gen.
Not sure Sony should be that worried about cross platform play though. They are killing it with their internal studios right now, and that alone should give them a great adavantage heading into next gen.
Way to miss literally every single part of this discussion just to try and both sides this shit.
People did.
And this situation is different because of Sony locking content to their system that was purchased elsewhere.
Nah man, I think you are also leaving out the huge exclusive disparity for the last few years of the two consoles. That was a huge reason I switched mid gen and haven't looked back.
And yet another example of people in here completely missing the issue at hand. This is frustrating.
The used games deal was a BIG factor. But to most people I know (anecdotal, yes) myself included, the exclusives, 100 bucks cheaper and a better gpu made it a no brainer. My crew all laughed after seeing the comparisons and all agreed ps4 no contest this gen.
Edit: and yes that sony response is some bullshit. Danced around the issue. They need to get this taken care of. No access to your account after playing on a Playstation is garbage
I don't recall MS or Nintendo holding your third-party accounts hostage last gen.
How about you read the OP or any of the numerous linked articles in it and actually discover what the actual issue is?
EDIT: And FYI, Nintendo has been fine with crossplay since the Wii.
Goals (power, money, domination) are the same, the methods of achieving them are different.
Players' hands are tied because the fortnite community on the PS4 is well established and huge.
Epic's hands are tied because the fortnite community on the PS4 is well established and huge.
Let's face it, we are Sony's bitches in this one and there's nothing we can do about it.
Epic's hands are tied because the fortnite community on the PS4 is well established and huge.
Let's face it, we are Sony's bitches in this one and there's nothing we can do about it.
this is exactly why we need stronger microsoft and nintendo right now. a market leader will never not be anti-consumer, especially if you are outselling your competition 2 to 1
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is such a bizarre hill to die on. Allowing cross-play is easy brownie points, and it future proofs your ecosystem in case you lose the position of market leader in the future.
Maybe it's like other people have cynically predicted and Sony is going to make big "show" out of announcing universal cross-play for PS5, to play up the "good guy" angle.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is such a bizarre hill to die on. Allowing cross-play is easy brownie points, and it future proofs your ecosystem in case you lose the position of market leader in the future.
Maybe it's like other people have cynically predicted and Sony is going to make big "show" out of announcing universal cross-play for PS5, to play up the "good guy" angle.
I actually have a couple of friends who bought an Xbox One in the recent E3 sales going up due to this... They wanna play Fortnite with their friends over on the other platforms.
I really don't understand Sony stance on this.. I mean it's terms of business it's great for them because they already have the biggest platform on the console market.. But not letting it plays with others is weird.. Are they afraid of people buying other consoles to play with the PS users?
I really don't understand Sony stance on this.. I mean it's terms of business it's great for them because they already have the biggest platform on the console market.. But not letting it plays with others is weird.. Are they afraid of people buying other consoles to play with the PS users?
So if you had purchases tied to said Epic account, Battle Pass Tied to it, almost a years worth of unlocks and such and then when you go to connect it to Switch you come to find out your account is locked out because you added your PSN to the connected accounts randomly one day...
You would just quickly make a new Unreal account and be mildly annoyed?
A lot of people are finding out for the first time that their Unreal accounts have been impaired from no fault of their own, with no warning sign.
Because nobody else has ever done this shit.
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