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South Carolina Democratic Debate, 8PM ET on CBS | Can Love Bloom on the Battlefield
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If Democrats lose this time, it will be on the party and the voters. The Dem party is too divided and regardless of who the nominee is, I honestly don't see unity.
I mean, personally I love Sanders demeanor because it's a reflection of how I feel about the system. I guess it just seems like he comes off as abrasive to a lot of people. But maybe that's just the media rotting my brain? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The question wasn't 'who did best', it was 'who impressed you'. I assume everyone polled was asked about every single candidate and whether they felt 'impressed' or not. Someone could say they were impressed by both Sanders and Klobuchar, for instance, which is why this doesn't add up to 100
All charisma is is the ability to sway and convince, to inspire people to your side. It's not being cool, collected, clever, funny, having a likable demeanor or any other individual personality quality. Not that Bernie isn't those things but he's definitely charismatic. Be mindful that It's not an inherent positive either. Trump is very charismatic, by definition.
IMO, the same way assholes at school/work/anywhere gain popularity. People are drawn to cocky douchebags for whatever reason.
IMO, the same way assholes at school/work/anywhere gain popularity. People are drawn to cocky douchebags for whatever reason.
Seems to be confirmation that everyone attacking Sanders just made people like him more lol. Biden just about as impressive. Seems like this debate won't have much effect on the two candidates who are fighting for the top spot. This could be good news for Sanders!
i think there is a subset of people that do find it abrasive, yeah. but i think most people like and identify with it
I also found this graphic
I guess Sanders didn't do that poorly after all, which I'm happy about.
I guess Sanders didn't do that poorly after all, which I'm happy about.
I only watched a little bit, but them continually bringing up his thoughts on Castro was so disingenuous. You'd literally have to have no reasoning skills to believe Sanders was promoting authoritarian rule on 60 Minutes a few days ago.
also was it just me or was the moderation truly awful?
also was it just me or was the moderation truly awful?
Yeah, looks like Sanders ended up pretty favorably in the end.
Don't let Doomers get to you.
I also found this graphic
I guess Sanders didn't do that poorly after all, which I'm happy about.
This helps put me at ease because that debate was a bloodbath and I felt despair for the first time since voting started.
It's amazing that they can throw the entire warchest at Bernie and he still comes out on top.
He's gonna win.
Such an indictment on the way the media presents even the simplest information. Depressing. Also yes, the moderation was high school debate team.
i think one the things about everyone going after bernie, even if you could argue bernie had mixed results responding to all the attacks, is that it just further cements this image that there's Bernie, and then there's Everyone Else. But Everyone Else isn't a candidate that's running. And all the Everyone Else voters are still splitting their votes, and the Bernie voters know who they like. Honestly I feel like the most visible element of Pete's campaign right now is "here's why Bernie shouldn't be the nominee." That's not really a winning ticket
It would be one thing if we had the more typical 2-4 major candidates, or if the other candidates distinguished themselves in more dramatic ways, but that's just not the current case. Other than I guess Bloomberg having the distinction of being a uniquely fucked candidate that bought himself relevance and has no business running for the democratic ticket
It would be one thing if we had the more typical 2-4 major candidates, or if the other candidates distinguished themselves in more dramatic ways, but that's just not the current case. Other than I guess Bloomberg having the distinction of being a uniquely fucked candidate that bought himself relevance and has no business running for the democratic ticket
He did fine, but not great. He stumbled on an incredibly easy attack on Bloomberg which was a little disappointing. But then again it was in response to an incredibly flubbed attack from Bloomberg...I've never seen anybody poll so high and do so poorly in a debate.
He was usually good about pivoting to his message, but he needed to do better at pointing out the hypocrisy in the attacks against him.
All in all, could've gone much worse and he certainly did much better than Bloomberg, Amy or Pete.
I know this is probably a multiple answer question but it would be funny if it ended at 140%.
It's 246 for those interested.
If there's anything, anything, we should have learned from 2016 it's that running a campaign on the message of "Hey, at least I'm not that other candidate!" is not particularly compelling.
No doubt Bernie missed two great opportunities tonight regarding M4A and 60's politics. Pete would have been BTFO'd had Bernie brought up the Civil Rights Movement and Stonewall. All the candidates similarly would have been left reeling if Bernie brought up the usefulness of a M4A system being in place in a scenario where COVID 19 gets worse in the USA. His team definitely needs to coach him on these lines of attack in the future.
The moderation was probably some of the worst we've had in this entire primary season and people notice it, too. Just a couple of weeks ago a white boomer in New Hampshire specifically told Ari Melber on air that their biased coverage against Bernie specifically made her decide to vote for Bernie. People aren't as easily misled as we think... on the Democratic side at least.
Fuck, I totally forgot he was gay. That's a massive fucking yikes.
As others mentioned already, that "revolutionary politics of the 60s" was such a great moment that Bernie wasted. Pete could've been blown the fuck out with the civil rights act, stonewall, etc.
Edit: I said Bernie but Warren too, if she had noticed it she could've smashed him like she did with Blooms last debate.
Edit: I said Bernie but Warren too, if she had noticed it she could've smashed him like she did with Blooms last debate.
Wait, is that of this debate? Didn't do as badly as we expected, even... won?
sometimes getting attacked by everyone can work out ok, especially if you handle it the best you can
it points to them as being the frontrunner, and also has them talking a lot more about their own platform
Yeah. I'm no longer as invested with politics and candidates as I was in 2016, Trump's election changed me I guess. Pete seems the most dangerous candidate after Bloomberg on the Democratic but I'm not exactly whooping his odds are diminished, it's just no longer as personal. Trump is still president, until that changes hard to celebrate, I only care that Trump loses in 2020.
The big story coming out of this is how the moderators and audience seem rigged against him, with a lot of people speculating how much of the audience got bought in by Bloomberg. That sort of environment can create an underdog out of anyone, and it particularly works well with Bernie's anti-establishment stance. In that sort of scenario it's easy for his weaker performance to get lost in the noise, and it helps that he did have some legit good stuff in the second half that he can just fall back on.
SC is going to be veeeery interesting. Is this where Biden makes a comeback, or are people being swayed by the fact that he seems out of his mind at times.
I just know southern states scare me because he had huge numbers in polls.
I just know southern states scare me because he had huge numbers in polls.
There would have to be a big gap between Biden and the other candidates for SC to be a comeback. He's expected to win.