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Zombegoast

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Oct 30, 2017
14,261
Thanks Sony, the sun rays on Lady's Butt crack saved me from being traumatized than seeing a dead body mutilated.

They are really adding light rays to nudity in every game? What if there isn't a source of light like in the pics in op? Just streaks of light from off screen? So strange.

It find it's way like every anime with nudity.
 
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Apparently on PC this "censorship" will take place if you turn on a setting that enables lens flares. So it's not a PS4 censorship policy, but simply the PS4 having more graphics settings enabled.

edit: confirmed false, I just read some comments online
 
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Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
I'd be just as upset if they censored male nudity. This has got nothing to do with wanting to see naked female butts (if I wanted to see that, which I don't because I'm gay as shit, I'd go look at straight porn - or hell, Google Image search) and everything to do with the naked human form being a natural fucking thing that should not need to be censored. It's not about the gender of the person the butt belongs to, it's not about the specific scene it's shown in, it's not even about the game, it's about the principle. It's about the battle of mindless prudishness vs basic common sense.

That might be true in your case, but it's not for the vast majority of people outraged at this, especially outside of Era, because you never hear them when it's something like this. Framing the pushback about rampant female sexualization as "mindless prudishness" and that gender "doesn't matter" is highly disingenuous when that gender just happens to be female in the 99.99% of cases. Let's not fool ourselves into believing that the objective here was artistic expression and not garden variety videogame female sexualization 101.
 

LossAversion

The Merchant of ERA
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Oct 28, 2017
10,760
I'm not going to rush to defend the scenes in DMC. They're dumb and embarrassing. But this policy feels even more dumb somehow? Is bum an Xbox console exclusive now? Lol

If a game gets properly and tastefully raunchy and is multiplat with laser bums only on PS4 then I'm going to be very bummed by that ☹️
The problem is that Sony shouldn't be deciding on what is tasteful or not. Consumers can decide that for themselves. And if people find something to be distasteful... they can simply avoid supporting that game or they can take it up with the developer/publisher of said game. We have a ratings system. We can make our own decisions. We don't need Sony to behave like an overprotective parent.
 

vestan

#REFANTAZIO SWEEP
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Dec 28, 2017
24,737
Do you mean besides all the incidents of Sony censorship up to this point?
Yes, this recent bout of Sony censorship that has only included censoring minors and characters of a questionable age. To somehow infer from this that Cyberpunk 2077 will be censored is delusional. Get a fucking grip, already.
 

Deleted member 9584

User requested account closure
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Oct 26, 2017
7,132
I could get behind Sony on this one if they weren't making a graphic hyper violent game. Too me, watching a persons intestines being ripped from their body while also being hung is more offensive and worthy of censoring over a butt cheek in DMCV.
 

No_Face

Member
Dec 18, 2017
1,080
Brigerbad, Switzerland
Well, I don't care about this particular scene, but if it is indicative of future policy on Sonys side, well, that could seriously making me consider changing my main platform. I don't want to be treated like a 12 year old.
 

Kinthey

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
22,473
Meanwhile you can climb a giant dong in Assassin's Creed. This censorship is arbitrary as fuck.
 

CarlSagan94

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Nov 3, 2018
946
Eurg, I mean of course its no big deal in this specific case but it seems so ridiculously puritanical and hypocritical when its ok to slash your arrows into a man's throat as a teenager with The Last of Us II.

Women have butts and breasts, the end.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Apparently on PC this "censorship" will take place if you turn on a setting that enables lens flares. So it's not a PS4 censorship policy, but simply the PS4 having more graphics settings enabled.
So it could potentially be a bug?

This is interesting because the Japanese version doesn't have it as far as I heard. We will surely find out about it next week.
 

Oldmario

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,145
They also censored God of War Ascension, Heavy Rain, Beyond, The Last of Us, etc. in Europe. So it's not only 3rd Parties.

at that time it was more german laws causing that censorship but it was also sony being cheap and submitting 1 version for the entire continent instead of a seperate german SKU
 

Deleted member 23046

Account closed at user request
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Oct 28, 2017
6,876
You can bet your ass (pun intended) you'd be seeing a very different reaction if they censored Dante's ass or dong instead.

I really don't want to know the quarries of salt the internet must be leveraging at this, if this is Era's reaction to it. Get a fucking grip, people.
I will be upset when knowing where reponsabilities (among other facts and compates covering the case) are between publishing and distribution and not by a single imgur post (that could be accurate, it's not the problem). For now no one knows, everyone believes.
 
Feb 26, 2018
2,753
I'll wait for any kind of official info. Why Lady is covered up everywhere but not Trish?
Anyway covering butts in 18+ game is unnecessary and just wrong

Lmao at some anime avatars still offended at Sony that they censored their pedo bait
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,293
The game is one of the greatest games of all time. The nudity was completely pointless and detracted from the quality of the game IMO. It shouldn't have been there in the first place so I don't care whatsoever about whether it's censored or not.
 

Gold Arsene

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
30,757
Yes, this recent bout of Sony censorship that has only included censoring minors and characters of a questionable age. To somehow infer from this that Cyberpunk 2077 will be censored is delusional. Get a fucking grip, already.
So what do you call the clearly adult woman being censored here?

If this is some sort of bug like people are speculating I'll let up though I still don't like Sony forcing additional policies beyond what the ESRB does.
 

Captain_Raoul

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
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Oct 25, 2017
330

Bigwombat

Banned
Nov 30, 2018
3,416
I promise you that the majority of the US consumers that might be interested in buying Devil May Cry V do not give a shit about nudity. The media here might create that perception but it's never been a sentiment shared by most of the people actually playing games in this country. Sony is trying to appease people that will always attempt to fearmonger and create controversy around video games. Look at this classic example... this is what Sony is worried about. Complete ignorance.
I'm not saying that dmc players or Sony fans will have a problem with it at all. That's almost never the case; shit gets so conflated when it comes to video games. I remember ripping out only TWO spines after lieberman told me about the horrors of mortal kombat.
It's the idiots who would cover up a statue like Spirit of Justice in the justice department's rotunda who has one breast exposed that worry me. John ashcroft was ashamed that she was behind him when it was based off Greek art and culture which the US republic was supposed to stand for.
 

Cronogear

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Oct 27, 2017
4,015
We can't have half a second of an adult woman's butt being shown in an M rated game.

Think of the children.
 

Abriael

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,605
Milano - Italy
Apparently on PC this "censorship" will take place if you turn on a setting that enables lens flares. So it's not a PS4 censorship policy, but simply the PS4 having more graphics settings enabled.

The PS4 has more graphics settings enabled only in the west?

The Japanese version does not have the lens flares. You can see it in several livestreams and youtube videos.
 

mxbison

Banned
Jan 14, 2019
2,148
its a freaking woman's butt, that doesn't even warrant an 18+....

Censorship is ALWAYS bad. (And no, banning pedo or rape stuff is not censorship)
 

Yukinari

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,538
The Danger Zone
I think the core values meme was dumb, but i think there is some truth to how violent & real Last of Us 2 was, Ellie blasting that Woman in the face just after you saw the very real panic in her eyes, but there is no censorship of that, but a 30ish year old Woman's ass gets censored, at one point we might have to look over this a bit more seriously.

Genuinely feel like games like RE2 and LoU2 are so rooted in violence and celebration of their gore that i get concerned a bit. You can make an argument for MK11 being so over the top that its not as bad as those games but i dunno man.

Again its shocking that id even say that but worth bringing up.
 

vestan

#REFANTAZIO SWEEP
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Dec 28, 2017
24,737
Apparently on PC this "censorship" will take place if you turn on a setting that enables lens flares. So it's not a PS4 censorship policy, but simply the PS4 having more graphics settings enabled.
Yeah, no. This is false. I just checked. Enabled Lens Flare but the scene is still the same.

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Harlequin

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,614
That might be true in your case, but it's not for the vast majority of people outraged at this, especially outside of Era, because you never hear them when it's something like this. Framing the pushback about rampant female sexualization as "mindless prudishness" and that gender "doesn't matter" is highly disingenuous when that gender just happens to be female in the 99.99% of cases. Let's not fool ourselves into believing that the objective here was artistic expression and not garden variety videogame female sexualization 101.
Oh, I should've phrased that a bit more clearly, I guess. I was referring to me specifically. Of course that's not going to be true for everyone. And yes, the gender imbalance when it comes to sexual objectification in the media (and especially in games) is a problem that needs to be addressed (and the only proper solution will be development studios and publishers becoming more diverse places). That being said, I sincerely doubt that censorship like this happens as an attempt to rectify that imbalance. In this scene, for instace, even in the censored version you can still see most of her nude body, it's very clear that she's completely naked and the weird lens flare doesn't really change anything from an objectification point of view. So yeah, I do think that the motivation behind this was simple prudishness (or an attempt to appeal to "family values" in an 18+ game...) and nothing else.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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RE Engine does have some resolution-related bugs with some effects. Screen Space Reflections get even more fucked than they already are when you go over 1080p, for example, so that could explain the PS4 having "properly-placed lens flare" and the Xbox One not having it (native 1080p vs reconstructed 1080p).

It doesn't explain the PS4 West vs PS4 Japan difference, though.

Easiest way to test this would be for a Base PS4 player to play that scene three times to see if it shows different lens flare behavior and it's just a bug.

see post above yours. I've heard that floating around and checked but I couldn't find a single instance of PC footage with the lens flare.
Well, there it is, then.
 

Deleted member 5334

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm almost wondering if maybe the Japanese release not having the lens flare is actually a mistake and Capcom was supposed to also change it there as well. I guess we'll see.

Either way, while I do absolutely agree this is minor in comparison to other things that Sony has requested changed, I'm still wondering how far this policy will go. It's already affected independent developers negatively, but mostly due to how the policies have been implemented (requiring content reviews conducted in English, requests to have an entire game localized into English without any plans to bring it to the west, etc). Those I definitely take more issue than this, but at the same time...
 

NCLI

Banned
Dec 5, 2017
185
It's fucking ridiculous.

I despise corporations trying to enforce their standards for what is and isn't ok to show in a piece of art. Yes, I know all console manufacturers ban outright pornographic games, but I guess that doesn't bother me so much because I grew up with it. But I personally cannot accept any further impairments to freedom of expression in games. No joke, this might actually affect my decision to buy a PS5. I might actually do something I never thought I'd do; to be PC/Nintendo only for the future. After all, I could spare a lot of money for my gaming PC by not getting a PS5... :-(

For someone who has been a Sony fan since the PS1, this is a really sad development.
 

Orbit

Banned
Nov 21, 2018
1,328
Violence and gore - bring it on!

Bare butt cheeks - WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! No thank you! - America
 
Oct 25, 2017
14,741
Another possibility to explain the conflicting reports could be regional differences. We're talking about "Japan vs West", but what if it's just "World vs USA".
 

liquidtmd

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
6,138
Era: "Aurora Borealis? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localised entirely within her bottom"

Sony: "Yes"

Era: "May we not see it"?

Sony: "Errrm no"
 

Blade Wolf

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,512
Taiwan
Only in the west? Phew that's good to hear.

Sucks for the westerners though, I'll never understand your desire to censor sex and stuff.
 

tyfon

Member
Nov 2, 2017
3,680
Norway
Apparently on PC this "censorship" will take place if you turn on a setting that enables lens flares. So it's not a PS4 censorship policy, but simply the PS4 having more graphics settings enabled.

Rofl.
That's actually quite funny if it is indeed a bug. Or maybe the bug is that the others are not the same in this scene considering they have scenes that are treated the same way even without this setting.
 

Martylepiaf

Member
Oct 25, 2017
424
France
That's so random,I'm sure there is ten times more butts in TW3 alone. Why would they censor something so minor ? I feel like it's going to end up being nothing
 
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