Star Trek: The Next Generation Mafia |OT| The First Duty Of Every Starfleet Officer Is To The Truth (Except In Mafia)

Neki · Sep 22, 2021

I was the 3rd vote on the Launch train, HP, Blarg, Anex all voted behind me. Ephi switched votes three times for no reason at EoD, jman only went off of malus when Launch was in danger, ATP went HP -> no vote -> HP, malus randomly went to LP which was a train with no momentum and Yuta randomly switched to Blarg when there was no more momentum on Town Sneeks yet I'm getting the shit for voting for Launch? If you guys had really wanted to vote out HP then maybe everyone shouldn't have randomly been moving ten minutes before EoD and voting earlier on HP.

Try to do some real investigate work besides trying to blame me for Launch getting launched.

FateShirou · Sep 22, 2021

Leo said:
I didn't like how the Launch train came out of nowhere when he had barely been on anyone's vote lists on the day phase.

Leo said:
This is a wait and see situation now, it's not like I'm locked on you being scum or anything, it's just what has stood out more so far. It's D1 and there's still more to see from other players.

Leo said:
Skimmed through the last pages quickly to catch up, probably missed a lot. Lynching either HP or Launch is fine by me, but as i feel the launch train came out of nowhere, my gut is that HP is the better choice.

This you?

Leo · Sep 22, 2021

FateShirou said:
This you?

What is your point exactly? I don't see anything contradictory, I'm kinda repeating what I said, even.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

Neki said:
I was the 3rd vote on the Launch train, HP, Blarg, Anex all voted behind me. Ephi switched votes three times for no reason at EoD, jman only went off of malus when Launch was in danger, ATP went HP -> no vote -> HP, malus randomly went to LP which was a train with no momentum and Yuta randomly switched to Blarg when there was no more momentum on Town Sneeks yet I'm getting the shit for voting for Launch? If you guys had really wanted to vote out HP then maybe everyone shouldn't have randomly been moving ten minutes before EoD and voting earlier on HP.

Try to do some real investigate work besides trying to blame me for Launch getting launched.

Deleted member 19365 · Sep 22, 2021

I was feeling dizzy at the day end and couldn't concentrate on writing, so I had to bail out after my longer post. Don't really know how I would've reacted, since I generally see double as a town power. But that last second decision felt bad to read.

Saw as the kill screams framing or switcheroo.

My gf just decided to check her email before she goes to bed (a bad habbit) and got the job offer at the university she wanted, so see you all tomorrow, we have to celebrate now :D

BoJack Horseman · Sep 22, 2021

Neki said:
I mean acting like I was the deciding vote on the Launch train is naive. There is plenty of other people you could look towards besides me. Trying to scapegoat me for having to decide who to pick is lazy. You sat on the Launch vote despite not liking HP's EoD and you were here for the entire EoD.

I wish I had moved, but I wasn't as present as I liked. But I know that doesn't mean much now.

And it isn't scapegoating if you were acting weird that entire last hour. You voted me and malus - seems like you tried to get anything other than HP going.

But I'll give you Ephi, it was their vote on Launch that started the train of votes, then they silently slipped away. Would want to hear from them. And anex too who changed late.

HPSauce · Sep 22, 2021

Leo said:
How? You were leading the vote, people were expecting you to claim, and there's no reason for a townie to hide a double vote, it's not like mafia would be jumping to kill you on the same night.

I figured I was dead anyway so I pretty much just stopped playing. I think that's pretty obvious in how I was playing? I should've claimed earlier obviously but like I said I had all but given up.

HPSauce · Sep 22, 2021

I can claim if you want?

anexanhume · Sep 22, 2021

I don't understand the benefit of doubling down on our D1 mistake by voting out HP. His gambit to save himself would be pretty risky if he was Mafia. Voting for him just creates a fracture within Town.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

anexanhume said:
I don't understand the benefit of doubling down on our D1 mistake by voting out HP. His gambit to save himself would be pretty risky if he was Mafia. Voting for him just creates a fracture within Town.

What a bad post. If he's mafia he has no choice to double down, whats the alternative get voted out? This way town lose 2 people before any scum are hit.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

Absolutely no risk as mafia doing what he did.

A Wild Shark Appears · Sep 22, 2021

anexanhume said:
I don't understand the benefit of doubling down on our D1 mistake by voting out HP. His gambit to save himself would be pretty risky if he was Mafia. Voting for him just creates a fracture within Town.

Vote: anexanhume

anexanhume · Sep 22, 2021

AllThingsPurple said:
What a bad post. If he's mafia he has no choice to double down, whats the alternative get voted out? This way town lose 2 people before any scum are hit.

You could argue that he has no choice either way. Most players would believe their side has the better chance if they can stay involved in the game. Do you think he wouldn't have tried to save himself if he was Town?

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

anexanhume said:
You could argue that he has no choice either way. Most players would believe their side has the better chance if they can stay involved in the game. Do you think he wouldn't have tried to save himself if he was Town?

I think town claim and dont fuck over the rest of town right at day end

He got angry then sulked then fucked over town. Nothing about his day end was helpful to tell.

Leo · Sep 22, 2021

Ephi on eod yesterday:

Ephidel said:
Your HP read said "not awkward or angry yet (town or not enough pressure)" but also "emotional HP is usually indicative of town", so I'm curious which of those you err towards with regards to his reaction earlier?

Questions neki about his reason for town reading HP, doesn't seem to understand or agree.

Ephidel said:
I'm curious about the fact it felt like people were expressing an interest in going Sneeks but nobody except Yuta actually moved. Is it just her not being here that made people balk? 🤔

Ephidel said:
Vote: Sneeks

As HP stays leading, she tries to get a Sneeks wagon going, doesn't work.

Ephidel said:
Vote: Launchpad

When Launch becomes a viable alternative for HP, she jumps in and stays there for the day.

Why Sneeks and Launch over HP, Ephi? Your exchange with neki gave me the impression you didn't agree with his town read and could at least consider him for the vote, but you went for two other players who we now know were town, and didn't even give a reason for voting and staying on Launch, or a reason why you were off HP.

anexanhume · Sep 22, 2021

AllThingsPurple said:
I think town claim and dont fuck over the rest of town right at day end

He got angry then sulked then fucked over town. Nothing about his day end was helpful to tell.

So what's the plan then? Take the L and wish Town the best? Claim or don't claim on the way out?

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

anexanhume said:
So what's the plan then? Take the L and wish Town the best? Claim or don't claim on the way out?

With plenty of time you say, im x and my power is y. Its not hard it gives town time to process.

Neki · Sep 22, 2021

Leo said:
Ephi on eod yesterday:

Questions neki about his reason for town reading HP, doesn't seem to understand or agree.

As HP stays leading, she tries to get a Sneeks wagon going, doesn't work.

When Launch becomes a viable alternative for HP, she jumps in and stays there for the day.

Why Sneeks and Launch over HP, Ephi? Your exchange with neki gave me the impression you didn't agree with his town read and could at least consider him for the vote, but you went for two other players who we now know were town, and didn't even give a reason for voting and staying on Launch, or a reason why you were off HP.

Just a correction, Ephi jumped back to HP for the rest of the day which is why I don't feel good about it.

anexanhume · Sep 22, 2021

AllThingsPurple said:
With plenty of time you say, im x and my power is y. Its not hard it gives town time to process.

So the argument is that HP didn't claim early enough? Or just that he threw a fit?

anexanhume · Sep 22, 2021

anexanhume said:
So the argument is that HP didn't claim early enough? Or just that he threw a fit?

By the way, I'm making my argument with the assumption that there's a night time ability that can check HP against his statement. If that's unlikely or something people don't like to rely on, I can understand it being a worthy gamble.

Blargonaut · Sep 22, 2021

OWidnoef

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

anexanhume said:
So the argument is that HP didn't claim early enough? Or just that he threw a fit?

Its both. His behaviour wasn't the behaviour of town it was the behaviour of caught scum

Blargonaut · Sep 22, 2021

AllThingsPurple said:
With plenty of time you say, im x and my power is y. Its not hard it gives town time to process.

No there wasn't time to explain

HPSauce · Sep 22, 2021

anexanhume said:
So the argument is that HP didn't claim early enough? Or just that he threw a fit?

He's pissed because he wanted rid of me and failed. Simple as that

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

Blargonaut said:
No there wasn't time to explain

You're right, silly me.

Blargonaut · Sep 22, 2021

ATP if not HP Today who then

anexanhume · Sep 22, 2021

AllThingsPurple said:
Its both. His behaviour wasn't the behaviour of town it was the behaviour of caught scum

If that's the argument, then HP sorely misplayed since he had an ability that is ambiguous in alignment.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

HPSauce said:
He's pissed because he wanted rid of me and failed. Simple as that

Youre just open wolfing now? Because you sure haven't tried to solve or be town in the slightest.

I'm pissed because if you're town you fucked us. But I in no way believe town hp plays that the way you did. You're scum.

Blargonaut · Sep 22, 2021

HPSauce said:
I can claim if you want?

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

anexanhume said:
If that's the argument, then HP sorely misplayed since he had an ability that is ambiguous in alignment.

The ability is more often town than scum

Neki · Sep 22, 2021

AllThingsPurple said:
Its both. His behaviour wasn't the behaviour of town it was the behaviour of caught scum

I think this whole debate is NAI. If HP was actually scum and he had double vote, why not claim earlier since its often seen as a town power? The fact that his claim is confirmable but not alignment indicative means a scum shouldn't be afraid of using it. Why wouldn't anyone in the scum thread tell him to claim earlier or vote earlier, he had zero support. You need to stop thinking that everyone is going to be optimal town all the time, look at Blarg.

Leo · Sep 22, 2021

Neki said:
Just a correction, Ephi jumped back to HP for the rest of the day which is why I don't feel good about it.

Shit, i don't know how I missed that. It's hard af to do this thing in mobile.

Ephidel would still be nice to get your thought process behind avoiding HP and trying Sneeks and Launch before jumping at HP, though.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

Blargonaut said:
ATP if not HP Today who then

Patience.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

Neki said:
I think this whole debate is NAI. If HP was actually scum and he had double vote, why not claim earlier since its often seen as a town power? The fact that his claim is confirmable but not alignment indicative means a scum shouldn't be afraid of using it. Why wouldn't anyone in the scum thread tell him to claim earlier or vote earlier, he had zero support. You need to stop thinking that everyone is going to be optimal town all the time, look at Blarg.

Oh hp is blarg? Oh wait what a ridiculous comparison.

Neki · Sep 22, 2021

No I'm saying expecting everyone to play your idea of optimal town play is ridiculous.

anexanhume · Sep 22, 2021

HPSauce said:
He's pissed because he wanted rid of me and failed. Simple as that

Given your day 1 response was dictated by emotion, I don't see you as capable of addressing this in an objective manner.

AllThingsPurple said:
The ability is more often town than scum

As I would have expected. So we're worse off because we lost one town as opposed to someone else who is also likely town?

If Launchpad had spoken up, we could have arguably avoided this too.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

anexanhume said:
Given your day 1 response was dictated by emotion, I don't see you as capable of addressing this in an objective manner.

As I would have expected. So we're worse off because we lost one town as opposed to someone else who is also likely town?

If Launchpad had spoken up, we could have arguably avoided this too.

I mean hp is not likely town and frankly your defense of him is a massive eye raise.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

anexanhume said:
Given your day 1 response was dictated by emotion, I don't see you as capable of addressing this in an objective manner.

As I would have expected. So we're worse off because we lost one town as opposed to someone else who is also likely town?

If Launchpad had spoken up, we could have arguably avoided this too.

Launch was away, he was targeted by scum for that reason

Neki · Sep 22, 2021

The optimal play for any PR in any mafia game is to claim so we don't vote them off but I can't tell you how many times I've seen on this forum alone PRs will eat the vote and die rather than openly claim and at least get one shot off their power off. It happens literally every game and despite me trying to say why claiming and then dying the next night is better than getting voted off, people still refuse to do it. It makes me sad but not everyone is interested in super optimal town play, people are interested in having fun within their own means.

Neki · Sep 22, 2021

And there's nothing wrong with that, no one can or should be able to dictate other people's playstyles.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

Neki said:
The optimal play for any PR in any mafia game is to claim so we don't vote them off but I can't tell you how many times I've seen on this forum alone PRs will eat the vote and die rather than openly claim and at least get one shot off their power off. It happens literally every game and despite me trying to say why claiming and then dying the next night is better than getting voted off, people still refuse to do it. It makes me sad but not everyone is interested in super optimal town play, people are interested in having fun within their own means.

Not really my experience at all

anexanhume · Sep 22, 2021

AllThingsPurple said:
I mean hp is not likely town and frankly your defense of him is a massive eye raise.

I don't feel particularly obliged to defend HP. Day 1 was poor play IMO regardless of alignment, and the ability we'd lose isn't especially powerful IMO.

What I do think is important is not handing scum day 2 on a platter by laser focusing on one player all day and not holding anyone else's feet to the fire.

AllThingsPurple said:
Launch was away, he was targeted by scum for that reason

Then let's examine everyone involved in that switch (which I admit includes me), rather than just HP alone.

AllThingsPurple · Sep 22, 2021

Neki said:
And there's nothing wrong with that, no one can or should be able to dictate other people's playstyles.

I'm not dictating anything but I will call out bad play. If he's town hopefully he won't ever do it again.

But I don't believe he's town.

Leo · Sep 22, 2021

LP gets the Launch train going (at that point it had only 1 vote from mid D1) on the premise that Launch was vote hopping:

Lone_Prodigy said:
Speaking of Launch, if you're going to jump to another target to look like uncertain town, at least spend more than 30 minutes there before jumping back.

Vote: Launchpad

A bit later he claims to have reread HP's posts and he provides reads therefore isn't a good vote:

Lone_Prodigy said:
I read some of HP's posts and he does provide reads so I'm not going to vote there.

Later when Launch x HP is consolidated, he agrees that HP's vote is sus, but didn't he just reread HP? Maybe he missed it on the first time. Anyway, he agrees HP is sus but still doesn't move from Launch and stays there for the day:

Lone_Prodigy said:
I didn't notice who HP had voted for and yeah that's sus.

Blargonaut · Sep 22, 2021

AllThingsPurple said:
hp is blarg?

anexanhume · Sep 22, 2021

Leo said:
LP gets the Launch train going (at that point it had only 1 vote from mid D1) on the premise that Launch was vote hopping:

A bit later he claims to have reread HP's posts and he provides reads therefore isn't a good vote:

Later when Launch x HP is consolidated, he agrees that HP's vote is sus, but didn't he just reread HP? Maybe he missed it on the first time. Anyway, he agrees HP is sus but still doesn't move from Launch and stays there for the day:

Thank you for this. Nonchalant vote swapping strikes me as more town, since votes in scum are more likely to be socialized with the group before happening.

HPSauce · Sep 22, 2021

Leo said:
LP gets the Launch train going (at that point it had only 1 vote from mid D1) on the premise that Launch was vote hopping:

A bit later he claims to have reread HP's posts and he provides reads therefore isn't a good vote:

Later when Launch x HP is consolidated, he agrees that HP's vote is sus, but didn't he just reread HP? Maybe he missed it on the first time. Anyway, he agrees HP is sus but still doesn't move from Launch and stays there for the day:

The 'sus' vote I had made was the joke vote I put on Fate at the start of day 1. Lol

Blargonaut · Sep 22, 2021

HP can you Doublevote every Day or is it x-shot(s)

HPSauce · Sep 22, 2021

Blargonaut said:
HP can you Doublevote every Day or is it x-shot(s)

2 shot. Well 1 now lol

Zippedpinhead · Sep 22, 2021

will-your-phaser-not-work-from-back-there

Ok RIP Sawneeks and Launch. OK I missed day end yesterday (as I thought I would) and what the hell people? Just once I would like to be wrong about the last 15 minutes of day 1 absolute mess of votes.

But back to scum hunting, I don't think Neki is the right place here but give me a minute to read through the past hour.

And HPSauce A double deserves some clarification... Can you point to me where you claimed who you were?

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