Such a vital indispensable steam feature!
Such a vital indispensable steam feature!
This ain't it chief.
There are games that depict rape, but in this rape is the point. They aren't equivalent.
Murder is a relatively outlandish experience. Society as a whole also condemns murder extensively, there's no precedent of people condoning/ignoring daylight murder. In GTA, it isn't really realistic, either.
And at the end of the day it can still be argued that its slapdash violence might be harmful (in terms of how it changed/reinforced the status quo of the industry, how it influences all the 10 year old boys playing the game, etc.).
When a game like Hatred comes out that's more realistic in terms of violence and murder, it still disturbs people.
Sexual assault is...different from murder.
1. It's far more pervasive.
2. Millions (the majority?) of people don't really understand what constitutes sexual assault. This contributes greatly to difference #1.
3. Sexual assault is far more difficult to investigate and prosecute.
4. Connected to #3, a lot more people are living with the consequences and hurt caused directly by sexual violence today. Shit like this being widely available is harmful to them.
5. It's harder to divorce the depiction of sexual assault from real life cases of sexual assault. Shit like this is created and distributed for sick fucks to get off to. People don't get off to video game murder, or use video game murder to emulate feelings they might get from actual murder. In the vast majority of cases, the thing being killed in a video game doesn't really show pain. Shit like this depicts the pain of sexual assault (to a degree) and makes that the focal point in its presentation, fetishizing it.
Adult content? Legal violation? Just put anything and describe why it's not appropriate in the text box below?Report it for what? it doesn't violate any of the rules that Steam claims to have.
The discussion topics are something as well
Note i havent even clicked them, just wanted to see what was discussed. All I say was the headlines, same in pics.
I think only #4 is actually relevant. It hits closer to home for most people, directly, indirectly. It's a rational fear. But if you try to imagine being a mother who lost her kids to a school shooting and then afterwards seeing people enjoy games like Call of Duty and laughing, I can't imagine how disgusted and disappointed at the world one would be. The same disgust people have with rape in games.Murder is a relatively outlandish experience. Society as a whole also condemns murder extensively, there's no precedent of people condoning/ignoring daylight murder. In GTA, it isn't really realistic, either.
And at the end of the day it can still be argued that its slapdash violence might be harmful (in terms of how it changed/reinforced the status quo of the industry, how it influences all the 10 year old boys playing the game, etc.).
When a game like Hatred comes out that's more realistic in terms of violence and murder, it still disturbs people.
Sexual assault is...different from murder.
1. It's far more pervasive.
2. Millions (the majority?) of people don't really understand what constitutes sexual assault. This contributes greatly to difference #1.
3. Sexual assault is far more difficult to investigate and prosecute.
4. Connected to #3, a lot more people are living with the consequences and hurt caused directly by sexual violence today. Shit like this being widely available is harmful to them.
5. It's harder to divorce the depiction of sexual assault from real life cases of sexual assault. Shit like this is created and distributed for sick fucks to get off to. People don't get off to video game murder, or use video game murder to emulate feelings they might get from actual murder. In the vast majority of cases, the thing being killed in a video game doesn't really show pain. Shit like this depicts the pain of sexual assault (to a degree) and makes that the focal point in its presentation, fetishizing it.
I kinda wish these type of games didn't get signal boosted by every single media outlet in the industry.
As it really doesn't violate any of their TOS. As tasteless as it can be rape isn't illegal to portray in media.
You might be right that murder itself is too prevalent.The only difference is that in the case of rape, people know about it more so than murder. Too many people are disconnected with murder. In the same way we are disgusted with rape in games, we really should be disgusted with murder in games. But the overall consensus is that we're not, so part of me thinks we're hypocrites. Fake white knights.
I think only #4 is actually relevant. It hits closer to home for most people, directly, indirectly. It's a rational fear. But if you try to imagine being a mother who lost her kids to a school shooting and then afterwards seeing people enjoy games like Call of Duty and laughing, I can't imagine how disgusted and disappointed at the world one would be. The same disgust people have with rape in games.
The only difference is that in the case of rape, people know about it more so than murder. Too many people are disconnected with murder. In the same way we are disgusted with rape in games, we really should be disgusted with murder in games. But the overall consensus is that we're not, so part of me thinks we're hypocrites. Fake white knights.
Here's a thought.
Instead of using the current headline, why couldn't the reporters use headlines like these:
"Steam listing a problematic game called Rape Day, and here's how to report it"
Instead, the article double down on attacking Steam and use this kind of sub-headline:
"Visual novel glorifying sexual assault is a major challenge to Valve's anything-goes policies."
I mean, sure, Valve is at fault here, but how about the solution? They don't even mention anything about reporting the game. They simply want to attack Steam and that's it. With this kind of article(s), all the game will get is more publicity. People who are into this kind of game will be informed and support the devs.
That's not my biggest concern, no. Did I say somewhere that Valve is innocent in this?It's really strange to me that it seems like your biggest concern is how Valve is appearing as the bad guys in this; it is as if you care more about Valve's reputation than the fact that this game is available in their store. Don't you think you have a rather skewed priority regarding this?
That's not my biggest concern, no. Did I say somewhere that Valve is innocent in this?
My biggest concern is that this game is getting a whole lot of publicity and free marketing through these articles.
I didn't say that, didn't I? Please read my post you quoted.So the alternative is what, they shouldn't report about it at all? It's because of these reports that people know about how a despicable game like this is available in steam, and thus they can push Valve to do something in the end.
This is the same Valve who didn't do jack shit about the existence of numerous hate groups in their forums, an existence that they let fester for years , not until Motherboard made an article about it. So what, was Motherboard signal boosting those hate group forums when they reported it? Should they just be quiet about it?
I didn't say that, didn't I? Please read my post you quoted.
Lots of problematic games got removed in the past after users reported them. But these articles never mention that at all, that we can report this game before it's available for purchase.
Sure. Media can report how evil Steam is for all I care. What I demand of them is to educate people that there's a way to report these problematic games. Was that not clear enough in my initial post?Yes, and peeps in the media reporting the existence of games such as this in Steam is necessary. Otherwise, these kinds of games will continue to fester and propagate in the Steam library unnoticed.
Sure. Media can report how evil Steam is for all I care. What I demand of them is to educate people that there's a way to report these problematic games. Was that not clear enough in my initial post?
See my edit above.
Such a title is valid if the point is to discuss the weakness in the laissez-faire way Steam is policing their content. It is not an "attack" as you describe it. And frankly, it is also not the responsibility of the articles to inform the readers on how to report the game to Valve, since it is not their point in their first place. The point, again, is to highlight how Valve's approach to curating their content can lead to situations such as this, where the game can appear in their store in the first place. Informing the readers the step by step methods on how to report the game to Valve is of little relevance.
No, I think that you're incorrect on both bolded sentences.
To not inform readers about how to report the game is irresponsible, since journalism/reporting should be to educate and inform. The article does neither, so is both a promotional device for the "game" and a (in this case necessary) hit-piece on the standards of Steam. It is relevant to inform readers of how to report the game, as to not mention how to report it allows for misinterpretation of the facts, and allows for misinformation to spread. If my only awareness of Steam was this article, then I would have literally no clue as to what the process was for removing games on Steam.
It's shoddy reporting, and journalistic malpractice, to be honest.
Well, I disagree, to be honest. The point of is to inform that Valve's curating process can lead to situations such as these. How 'let the community do our curating process for us' method they're using can lead to stuff like this happening. And 'reporting the game to Valve for them to be removed' is a part of that 'let the community do our job' for us' tack that Valve is currently using.
The point should be 'how this shouldn't have happened in the first place', and not 'this is how we should remedy it now that it's already happening'.
Nah, this is all shit. Murder is a fantasy to most, for obvious reasons. Rape is a reality that goes unchecked daily.I think only #4 is actually relevant. It hits closer to home for most people, directly, indirectly. It's a rational fear. But if you try to imagine being a mother who lost her kids to a school shooting and then afterwards seeing people enjoy games like Call of Duty and laughing, I can't imagine how disgusted and disappointed at the world one would be. The same disgust people have with rape in games.
The only difference is that in the case of rape, people know about it more so than murder. Too many people are disconnected with murder. In the same way we are disgusted with rape in games, we really should be disgusted with murder in games. But the overall consensus is that we're not, so part of me thinks we're hypocrites. Fake white knights.
Agree to disagree? :) But, to be honest...
It should be included in the article if only to point-up how Valve evade responsibility by pushing work onto the community. It would educate about how to report, whilst also illustrating that Valve push curation of the store - sometimes of titles that are pretty sickening - onto consumers. Hell, make it a "proper" hit piece and include facts like Valve taking 30% from every sale whilst abrogating the most generic of duties.
Half-arsed is another criticism that I could throw at that article.
This one is ridiculous, but it's definitely not the only game with rape depictions. Pretty sure Naked Butlers has a lot of rape.
Steam will probably ban adult games again. Just not worth it, because unlike say porn or literature these contents are not seen as acceptable.
Well, at least I agree that Valve really need "hit piece articles" to be made against them just so that they can be arsed to do something for these kinds of situations.
Remember, this is the company that let various bigoted hate groups festered and flourished in their forums, using their platforms, unsupervised and unchecked for years before someone actually made an article about it.
To be fair, YouTube has more of a problem with unsupervised/unchecked bigoted hate groups festering and flourishing, and there's been plenty of articles about YT video comments. It's an issue across the tech and entertainment sector, to one degree or another, and no company wants to be the first to step up and do something about it. Even Epic is just pushing the issue elsewhere, onto Reddit and Discord, rather than creating a community area of their own with real consequences for hateful talk and abuse.
Yes, but that doesn't mean I should find their preferred methods agreeable simply because everyone else is doing the same.
That's on Steam, that's not on literally anyone else.Sure. Media can report how evil Steam is for all I care. What I demand of them is to educate people that there's a way to report these problematic games. Was that not clear enough in my initial post?
Yikes. I suppose baby killing will be next once we've nornalised rape.
Valve seems content with their store being a dumping ground so this isn't shocking.
Spending money on shitty 30 minute games to own the libsThe discussion topics are something as well
Note i havent even clicked them, just wanted to see what was discussed. All I say was the headlines, same in pics.
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