would you mind just saying, rather than giving 48 minutes of homework....?
The Last of Us (HBO Series) - Season 1 |Open Game Spoilers OT| No spores, same scores
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would you mind just saying, rather than giving 48 minutes of homework....?
This episode will be the canon story in my eyes for Bill and Frank. Just far out eclipsing what they did in the game with them.
This episode is just such a phenomenal example of how deviations from the source material can lead to incredible results if done right.
This episode is just such a phenomenal example of how deviations from the source material can lead to incredible results if done right.
I guess I'm glad I'm not one of those people who read a bunch of reviews and are miserable that it didn't meet expectations. Seems like those who didn't read a bunch of stuff telling them it was amazing came out of the episode thinking just that while those that were exposed to a bunch of reviews/impressions feel it's overrated.
Yeah, TLOU2 went so far into its nihilistic bullshit, you have to basically pretend that game didn't happen for me to come back around on her side.
For Abby and Lev, sure they have a 2nd chance. But Ellie has to be built back up herself. The ending only touched on that, there's a long road to go, and we need a TLOU3 to get us there.
I see fans of the game, but two things:
One, you already beat the game, so you already know how it ends, and therefore you're going to be a lot more sensitive to any foreshadowing regarding their relationship improving.
Second, TLOU's story is not rocket science. The game literally opens with Joel's daughter, only to not too long afterwards introduce us to another teenage girl. It was never subtle to begin with how their relationship would end, but it was well executed, something the show is also achieving very well so far.
Little bit overhyped but a great episode. The letter was especially powerful and they did a great job of solidifying the relationship further. I didn't care for the Tess change but this one was ace. would have liked to see a little more of badass bill tho, he's great!
Not only is this a completely reasonable take, I also think it's exactly what will happen. I think TLOU has always been building to an ending that is, at worst, cautiously optimistic. There's too much love in those games for them to let every single thread end on a down note.
Every time I see someone use a long video (or honestly, even a short one) as a response to help people get something/serve as a counterargument, I wonder if the person they're responding to actually ever bothers to watch the video in question lol
Are we supposed to be on her side? The disconnect between her and the player felt very intentional to me
The wild I was referring to was more the idea that Neil would have been planning for a pretty dark TLOU3 up until he made/saw this episode and then thought "Damn, maybe love is good after all" and changed his entire idea for a third game.
Ideally, a brighter third game was always the idea. But if not, hopefully there's a higher chance now!
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The other one is meant for people who are only watching the show and haven't been exposed to the games yet (so that they can eventually play the games unspoiled and have the opposite experience that we're having, or so that they can simply discuss the show on its own merits), while this thread is meant for anyone who's played the games already.
^exactly. It didn't take long for me to realize Neil was misdirecting us in prerelease by saying Part II was about hate, because at least to me, it ended up ultimately being about love as well. Maybe I'm weird for finding hope and optimism in a game most felt was cynical, mean-spirited, or torturous, but I did and I hope that's always at the foundation of every facet of this franchise.
You live in a psycho bunker where 9/11 was an inside job and the government are all Nazis
The government ARE all Nazis!
Yeah, now!
The government ARE all Nazis!
Yeah, now!
well, yes!
stories are more than characters having direct interaction with each other
nah that means you're literate lol
fully on point
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"I was never afraid before you showed up"
"You were my purpose"
"I hated the world before and I was glad when everyone died. But I was wrong. I found someone, and I saved him. Then I protected him."
This whole episode is going to stay with me for a while. Just a perfectly beautiful Queer love story.
I saw all the hype for this episode on social media from critics and it still managed to surpass my expectations. If people are going to do a heartbreaking gay love story, this is the type of stuff I want.
"You were my purpose"
"I hated the world before and I was glad when everyone died. But I was wrong. I found someone, and I saved him. Then I protected him."
This whole episode is going to stay with me for a while. Just a perfectly beautiful Queer love story.
I saw all the hype for this episode on social media from critics and it still managed to surpass my expectations. If people are going to do a heartbreaking gay love story, this is the type of stuff I want.
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Oh lol, my bad
I get being disappointed that certain moments from Bill's part of the game aren't going to be in the show, but personally I absolutely loved the episode and much prefer it over the game. It was heartwarming and heartwrenching, and much more effective for the game's overarching themes I think.
I feel like the episode is well liked in this OT but you're talking to people who played the games so expectations here will be different and a lot more varried about likes and dislikes. It doesn't seem off to me from what I read.
Holy. Fuck.HOL. LY. FU.CK.
What an episode! Like holy shit, if this how changes up are gonna go, than I want to see more! Okay, so to start off, for those who don't know the secret behind the last of us, here's the tea.....
The beauty behind this wonderful series is the ability to tell themes & to serve as a harbinger for the main focal character. With the bill, his message to Joel in the game was simple. It was meant to show Joel the danger of isolation & not opening up to Ellie atleast a little bit. bill went nuts being alone, frank literally died because he was stuck in his ways.bat at this point in the narrative, Joel is still being isolated & close off from Ellie. He is like bill and frank dying is meant to show Joel why he shouldn't take that path. You could also argue both frank & Tess mirror each other in that they both died while telling thier respective partner why they need to open up.
Obviously, this would be a simple thing to mess up or only go surface level with. But the tv show not only doesn't mess up, but adds to it! Not only do we have danger of isolation & not opening up, but we also have where that openness is gonna lead Joel & on top of that, we also have the foreshadowing of a certain speech from Ellie in part 2! especially with frank disagreeing with bill killing himself along him. Chills. It's just.... fucking wow!
I'm just blown away be how in tune Neil is with his series! Never have I seen a writer get it so much with his creation! Mazin gets a shout out too! This is just fantastic! & to end things on a funny note: even in bottle episodes, tlou is outdoing twd! Just holy shit!
What an episode! Like holy shit, if this how changes up are gonna go, than I want to see more! Okay, so to start off, for those who don't know the secret behind the last of us, here's the tea.....
The beauty behind this wonderful series is the ability to tell themes & to serve as a harbinger for the main focal character. With the bill, his message to Joel in the game was simple. It was meant to show Joel the danger of isolation & not opening up to Ellie atleast a little bit. bill went nuts being alone, frank literally died because he was stuck in his ways.bat at this point in the narrative, Joel is still being isolated & close off from Ellie. He is like bill and frank dying is meant to show Joel why he shouldn't take that path. You could also argue both frank & Tess mirror each other in that they both died while telling thier respective partner why they need to open up.
Obviously, this would be a simple thing to mess up or only go surface level with. But the tv show not only doesn't mess up, but adds to it! Not only do we have danger of isolation & not opening up, but we also have where that openness is gonna lead Joel & on top of that, we also have the foreshadowing of a certain speech from Ellie in part 2! especially with frank disagreeing with bill killing himself along him. Chills. It's just.... fucking wow!
I'm just blown away be how in tune Neil is with his series! Never have I seen a writer get it so much with his creation! Mazin gets a shout out too! This is just fantastic! & to end things on a funny note: even in bottle episodes, tlou is outdoing twd! Just holy shit!
I don't think it's weird, because in all actuality you are both correct, that certainly is what it is about at its core. The love that the characters have is what drives them to do those things that can be seen as 'hateful' or 'revenge filled', at least in my opinion. But yes, that is absolutely the theme as well. I just used 'hate/revenge' as a blanket statement just because it's so differently presented that TLOU 1.
Yea for once there's no annoying thing I'm seeing people harp on lol, I think it's natural for people to continue to discuss changes, but most definitely seemed to have liked/loved the episode
Whether we are or aren't, I was just sick of it. Every way the game tried to sell "aw man, this is really dark and fucked up, right?", my reaction was "yes, but not for the reasons you think it is." And whenever it tried coming around to sell some uplifting emotional beat, it felt so full of shit that I rolled my eyes. I already have messy feelings about TLOU1, but I am not looking forward to seasons 2 and 3 adapting a bunch of of misery porn with a flaccid emotional beat to make you go "awwww" at the end.
Druckmann's tweet saying "this is the happy episode", jokey or not, it has me rolling my eyes. This was a great episode but I absolutely do not trust his narrative inclinations for the stuff to come way further down. This episode makes me want to be proven wrong, but that's on the show.
It was enjoyable and lovely and superbly acted and directed, but it kinda grinded the pacing to a halt... 🤔 I did like the episode mind you, but yeah
How do you not know what Tampax is
This line killed me. Almost made up for the lack of "why are the pages glued together" ;)
What on Earth... she's just a kid with a bit of morbid curiosity, that's not "deranged"
"I can't believe this television show didnt spend 30 minutes on joel shooting zombies and throwing bricks at people" - real people, somehow
Doesn't the magazine banter happen after they leave Bill's town in the truck? I imagine that will happen next episode, it's such a fan favorite moment in the first game that I doubt they will miss it.
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Can't remember it exactly because I'm 28 going on 82, but there was a moment in the preview for next week's episode that made me think we'll probably get it then, yeah.
I just knew there were going to be some nudniks complaining about this.
I did not get that she enjoyed killing that clicker at all. Felt like she was angry at it thow, obviously it was Riley, but I guess tv show watchers arent suppose to know that yet... just get the sense that Ellie is mad at the infected fir sone reason.
Honestly, what I would say is TLOU1 is sorta driven by Joel and Ellie's love for each other at the forefront. TLOU2 is driven more by Ellie and Abby's desire for revenge, something that is hateful by nature. But the core message of both games has always been about hope for the future even in the bleakest of moments. A third game would probably follow that trend though I can't even imagine what story they would explore.
Well, that post is actually right.
TLOU's main theme for both Part 1 and 2 is love.
1 was about the incredible things people would do for love
and 2 was about the awful things they do for it.
Agreed. I think framing that graveyard as a flashback kinda threw off the episode for me, like I was waiting for the flashback to end but it just kept being a flashback for basically the rest of the episode and then it slowly caught up but by then, like you said, the pace had stopped almost all together.
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Really amazing and beautiful episode. I dont mind the deviation from the game's story outside of really wishing we could have gotten some Ellie/Bill interaction. What we got was fantastic though and incredibly well acted.
With that said, I am definitely ready to really stick with Joel and Ellie from here on out. For being now a third of the way through the season, I feel like we havent spent enough time with those two together, and I won't lie, that is a little frustrating even if I did love Bill and Frank's story. I also don't feel like there have been enough infected as well. Maybe if they had more scenes of Bill dealing with them instead of just one random infected getting shot from his trap. I don't feel like they've done a good job of really showing how dangerous things are. I mean outside of a bad night with some raiders, it really seemed like Bill and Frank led a peaceful life. So those are just a few minor complaints. Still, a brilliant episode and I'm very happy with the show overall.
With that said, I am definitely ready to really stick with Joel and Ellie from here on out. For being now a third of the way through the season, I feel like we havent spent enough time with those two together, and I won't lie, that is a little frustrating even if I did love Bill and Frank's story. I also don't feel like there have been enough infected as well. Maybe if they had more scenes of Bill dealing with them instead of just one random infected getting shot from his trap. I don't feel like they've done a good job of really showing how dangerous things are. I mean outside of a bad night with some raiders, it really seemed like Bill and Frank led a peaceful life. So those are just a few minor complaints. Still, a brilliant episode and I'm very happy with the show overall.