I mean they literally explain it in the movie itself, you can't fix people's attention spans lol
I mean they literally explain it in the movie itself, you can't fix people's attention spans lol
I mean...it clarifies it pretty damn well? Him choosing to remain with Peggy in the alternate timeline probably made it difficult for him to return at the exact moment he was originally supposed to. It's not hard to assume that he returned off-screen moments before, or even through the larger portal inside the Avengers base when he knew it would be vacated.
As others pointed out it's the taking them from other timelines that causes a problem, but also, matter can neither be created nor destroyed. Thanos specifically says he atomized them, which means they still exist, but they are functionally worthless to anyone other than reality itself. Taking it from another reality means it is straight up 100% gone gone, and that's the bad shit.
Why not? He could have been there the whole time, but knew they'd be so focused on sending his younger self back in time that they'd never notice him. And they didn't. He still had the chronal coordinates of the prime timeline in his wristband, he came back through the time platform earlier, went a distance away to the bench and waited.
I don't know why people are having trouble with any of the time travel stuff in this movie. It's extremely simple and extremely explained in the film.
Uh...exactly? This is literally what the interview clarifies. Cap lives out his life in an alternate timeline with Peggy, and then returns to 'our' MCU timeline at some point in order to pass the torch to Sam. He just does it off-screen.Yeah, but... that was an alternate timeline. Meaning he couldn't have just aged into the future of the main timeline that the film follows, he would have aged into another one that he created. They even say as much later in the interview when they say that the timeline he created by doing this would have had two separate Captain Americas most likely.
The film establishes earlier on that what you change in the past isn't going to affect the present timeline, it's going to create its own separate branch. That's what I'm talking about.
Uh...exactly? This is literally what the interview clarifies. Cap lives out his life in an alternate timeline with Peggy, and then returns to 'our' MCU timeline at some point in order to pass the torch to Sam. He just does it off-screen.
Uh...exactly? This is literally what the interview clarifies. Cap lives out his life in an alternate timeline with Peggy, and then returns to 'our' MCU timeline at some point in order to pass the torch to Sam. He just does it off-screen.
The EW interview makes it quite more open than that. It's actually an unanswered question if Cap lived through the MCU timeline or not. The answer to me is obvious: Cap came back to the love of his life, the Peggy Carter of his own timeline. Somehow, Steve did it, going against the rules established in Endgame. How? To be continued. This story isn't over just yet.
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That isn't a question. We literally saw in the movie that the Stark 'time GPS' wristbands allowed for that.The only real question is how does he return to the MCU timeline instead of an alternate reality future timeline. The Russo brothers refuse to answer that in the interview so that's the one piece that isn't clear.
What? That link explicitly says he lived it in another dimension.
Falcon notices the wedding band on Old Cap's finger and asks if he'll tell him about her. "No… no, I don't think I will," the old man replies.
We know from the final shot of the movie that Cap went back and found Peggy Carter, and we know the Russo brothers say he went to live in a branch timeline, not the prime one.
Still, many fans wonder if this is a misdirect (the Russos are known for that.) Could Steve Rogers have found a way to make the timelines realign? If so, that would allow him to live in the shadows as Peggy's "secret husband" who has been acknowledged but gone unidentified so far in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
This seems unlikely based on the fact that the Russos said one of the outlying questions is "how is he back in this reality?"
Having him live quietly for decades in the prime reality also creates a lot of paradoxes: Why doesn't he disrupt Hyrdra's infiltration of SHIELD sooner? Why doesn't he warn the Avengers about the coming alien invasion in 2012? Why doesn't he interfere in all the major tragedies and conflicts that we know about?
Maybe he does do those things, but it would be in the alternate universe. When he politely declines to tell Sam about his wife, it may be a nod to the audience: You don't get to know any of it either.
Still, maybe we will. Marvel Studios has already broken new ground with interlocked storytelling, so perhaps the next experiment is tiered storytelling — alternate versions of familiar tales.
That isn't a question. We literally saw in the movie that the Stark 'time GPS' wristbands allowed for that.
Loki managed to get the Tesseract and escape in one of the timelines they returned to. That created an alternate timeline, right? They were essentially living in that alternate timeline for an hour or so, and yet were still able to return to their prime universe.
Cap did the exact same thing, but just stayed there much longer. It shouldn't really matter how much time he spends there, though, because the logic is the same - it doesn't matter what you do in that 'past' timeline. You can still return to your own universe.
Nah.. Caps on ice.
Main Timeline Cap doesnt have to worry about him until 2012
Ever think that maybe Hank was into older ladies? Hmm?I hope an interview brings up this plothole to the Russos or the writers to see if they can answer it.
Scott said he was trapped in the quantum realm for only 5 hours after 5 years had passed in the real world. But if that's true then Janet Van Dyne should still be young as all that time in the quantum realm would've only been a few days for her.
Direct quote from the interview:
I honestly think that the film - and Steve's whole arc in the MCU - speaks for itself. Steve wouldn't settle for A Peggy Carter. It's egotistical in a way that just doesn't fit the character. Somehow, during the time that he was delivering the stones, he found a way to go back to Peggy. His Peggy, not one from an alternate timeline. Doing so it'd be completely out of character. I'm aware that the rules set in Endgame forbid that. But I 100% believe that somehow he did pull it off and that this is a story for another day, maybe with seeds in the Falcon and The Winter Soldier series planted. This won't be the last time we saw Captain Steve Rogers. Or Peggy.
Like I've said, I think the Russo's aren't telling us everything here. Cap in the MCU, very much like Tony, is known for pulling off impossible feats. There is a story to be told eventually here.Yes, it explicitly says it's a new timeline though. The thing is, it's still his Peggy. When he goes back, it's the MCU timeline but the second he stays to have a relationship with her, it branches. So it's his Peggy but now spawned in a new timeline. That was said in the interview you linked to.
That just opens the question of how he traveled back to the movie one, though.Happy to hear that old cap was living in a different timeline.
The only other logical conclusion is that there were always 2 captain america in the prime universe.
Like I've said, I think the Russo's aren't telling us everything here. Cap in the MCU, very much like Tony, is known for pulling off impossible feats. There is a story to be told eventually here.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Old Cap didn't use the device to travel 'into to the future', because as you say - that wouldn't lead to the prime universe.Earlier it was established that you set a time in the past, you're in your timeline and I accept that. What isn't clear is when you set a time in the future, does the device allow you to define what dimension too?
I get it but the movie is not clear how the old captain American returned. Was it using his suit? Or he just waited until it was the right time?That's an illogical conclusion that's infinitely regressive, because at some point, there has to be a separate timeline where there is no "Old Cap" present to initiate the timeline in which there are two Caps.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Old Cap didn't use the device to travel 'into to the future', because as you say - that wouldn't lead to the prime universe.
Instead, think of the wristbands as basically creating an anchor point in whatever universe they leave from. Cap was able to alter the time he returned slightly, but it was always going to lead back to his prime universe.
That's a story that isn't over. Yes, there is a sense of finality here, but there's clearly threads that they can and probably will pursue in the future.I can accept that. My only gripe is people claiming everything is clear when there's clearly an unanswered question left on the table here that even the Russos won't answer.
He DOES use the device. He just doesn't return at the exact moment Professor Hulk expected.How does that even work when the Russo brothers explicitly say he's in another dimension timeline? How does he get back to the main timeline then without using the device?
i am going to say it can merge 2 souls together. gamora 3.0 comes from 1+2Cap is in possession of ALL the infinity stones when he goes back. I know the Russos said that he would deliver the soul stone in Vormir to Red Skull and that's it, BUT... would he though?
Do we even KNOW what the Soul stone does in the MCU? Because I'm pretty sure that's the one stone we haven't seen working just yet. I don't know how, but I'm pretty convinced that Steve managed to be in the prime timeline all this time, somehow.
He DOES use the device. He just doesn't return at the exact moment Professor Hulk expected.
Cap somehow managed to alter the time he'd return ever so slightly, without affecting the 'anchor point' being in that universe.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Old Cap didn't use the device to travel 'into to the future', because as you say - that wouldn't lead to the prime universe.
Instead, think of the wristbands as basically creating an anchor point in whatever universe they leave from. Cap was able to alter the time he returned slightly, but it was always going to lead back to his prime universe.
The anchor point is supposed to be an exact time and place though which was established earlier when the first time they returned. So there are two methods to return. The first is using the normal return method which is what they used the first time. If that happened, he should have returned exactly as expected even if he was older. The second is to set it to jump to a specific time which seems more in line with what happened, but then how does he determine the dimension when doing that?
i am going to say it can merge 2 souls together. gamora 3.0 comes from 1+2
Why do you think wrist bands can't be used to get back to the Primetime line?
Why would the band allow him to re-jump to these alternate timelines, but not allow him to re-jump to the Prime timeline?
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Consider this. Time is relative to the person. Remember, the present becomes his past and past becomes his future. When Cap returns to the main timeline, his timeline, he isn't going back to the future, he's going back to the present, which is his past now. So all he has to do is travel back to his past. That's what they're doing all the time.The anchor point is supposed to be an exact time and place though which was established earlier when the first time they returned. So there are two methods to return. The first is using the normal return method which is what they used the first time. If that happened, he should have returned exactly as expected even if he was older. The second is to set it to jump to a specific time which seems more in line with what happened, but then how does he determine the dimension when doing that?
True. That's an even better explanation.Why do you think wrist bands can't be used to get back to the Primetime line? It seems to me that they can use it to return to timelines they've been- which is exactly how Cap returns the stones.
Why would the band allow him to re-jump to these alternate timelines, but not allow him to re-jump to the Prime timeline?
Depending on when that machine was set up, old Cap probably jumped into the MCU timeline when no one was around. He still had his Pym Particle on hand that he could use anytime, after all.
Okay, so minor things don't create a new timeline. Something of significance would be the only way a branch is created. And then the idea of returning the Infinity Stone back in time should stop a branch from being created.
I would think Cap jumping into the past and marrying Peggy Carter would be enough of a change to generate a branch under the rules established above plus the confirmation by the Russo brothers. So it really shouldn't matter if he laid low or did any other changes. The branch was already created.
That would only be if they hit the return button which it's being established here he did not because that's how he didn't return to the platform. Previous posts say you can jump to any point you determine and you don't need the platform, but if you hit the return, you return back to the platform at the specified time. So clearly since he didn't return to the platform and he didn't come back at the time expected, he must have programmed a different time to jump which then begs the question of how does it know which dimension to jump to?
you know captain marvel could have flown off with the gauntlet.
Let's be honest here. The reason why Ironman did it was to write Tony out of the franchise.
Why do you think wrist bands can't be used to get back to the Primetime line? It seems to me that they can use it to return to timelines they've been- which is exactly how Cap returns the stones.
Why would the band allow him to re-jump to these alternate timelines, but not allow him to re-jump to the Prime timeline?
They don't have a good answer for why strange couldn't use the time stone to reverse time for Tony to revive him.
Also, the answer for why it had to be tony is that it was tony's tech that allowed him to transfer the stones to himself without Thanos noticing or being able to stop it.They don't have a good answer for why strange couldn't use the time stone to reverse time for Tony to revive him.
As others pointed out it's the taking them from other timelines that causes a problem, but also, matter can neither be created nor destroyed. Thanos specifically says he atomized them, which means they still exist, but they are functionally worthless to anyone other than reality itself. Taking it from another reality means it is straight up 100% gone gone, and that's the bad shit.
Also, the answer for why it had to be tony is that it was tony's tech that allowed him to transfer the stones to himself without Thanos noticing or being able to stop it.
Time reversal with the time stone is / can be localized to a particular area. You see this when strange reverses time for the apple, when Thanos reverses time for Vision, etc. Time isn't reversed for things not in that area. So, Tony snaps, you remove his gauntlet, move it out of the area, then reverse time for him until before his snap.This. Im not understanding why this is seen as mysterious.
To when?Tony had to snap for the war to end. When is he going to rewind to? Right after tony snaps and is in the process of dying anyway?
Why?So he can die again within a minute?