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UraMallas

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People saying Xbox is done after ABK, I sure don't think so. They were banging the "Asian regulators protect Asian companies" drum pretty hard and I think it's an opening salvo for big acquisitions in the area.
 

Vito

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Really hoping MS stays the fuck away from Capcom and SE.
 

TheFurizzlyBear

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Those said streaming services are not even available where i live becuase MS and Sony pretend like countries that arent the USA, Canada and the EU exist
That sucks and is certainly a bummer but that's in-compliment to their games existing on PC. My point is that if "accessibility" is your biggest concern as a gamer then PC is the place to be which means that MS buying anyone wouldn't really change anything for you. They were arguing that the industry is becoming less accessible and I'm saying that's incorrect
 

Bonefish

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Not to be a major downer, but Microsoft making Sega games exclusive is a nightmare scenario.

-Persona 6/next Yakuza launch exclusively on Xbox/Gamepass
-Games do not sell well, Gamepass subs and Xbox console sales do not increase
-Microsoft tasks studios with creating new IP more accessible with mainstream audiences / established Xbox gamers
-guess how that goes?
MS buying any Japanese studio has been a plain as day nightmare scenario for such obvious reasons and can't believe anyone is championing for it.
 
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Even as more of PlayStation fan....
I actually wish Microsoft had bought Bungie back.

Maybe a good Halo might get made again vs more Destiny and Marathon.
 

Henrar

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How are they in a power position? By having money? In which market are they dominant right now?
Yes, them having money puts them directly in a power position, because it allows them to buy more than any of their competitors can. It's capitalism, money is the ultimate source of power outside of having an actual army (which you still have to pay with money). After Microsoft willingness to buy Activision for 70 billion USD please stop using arguments that third party deals are too expensive for Microsoft.
You don't need to be in a dominant position in a market to have power and Microsoft proves exactly just that. It's way too big of a company too ignore with their pockets and has way too much ties in game development to ignore (even Stadia's tools required Microsoft software to run).
 

Kolx

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And yet it's Sony that bought Bungie. I wonder why Sony saw so much more value in them than MS, especially when their wallet is smaller
I don't understand how that is even relevant to my comment, but to answer your comment idk but if I had to guess probably because of their gass experience?
 
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I imagine this failed either on a price issue or Sega Sammy didn't want to sell only their studios and be left as a casino resort company. Sega as fully exclusive is probably not how it would have been handled, but imo it's moot now since I don't think these documents would come out if they were planning to proceed with a purchase in the foreseeable future (it'd be redacted to shit).

I also think people are looking at lists like this and freaking out that there's so many companies on them - but they weren't ever planning to buy all of them. These are kind of strategic short lists to help narrow their decision making process to fewer candidates. Notably, there's a lot of focus on targeting core gamers, pc and mobile, all three of which are satisfied very nicely by ABK in a single large package.
 

ArkkAngel007

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People saying Xbox is done after ABK, I sure don't think so. They were banging the "Asian regulators protect Asian companies" drum pretty hard and I think it's an opening salvo for big acquisitions in the area.
If this a reference including one of my earlier responses, no, didn't say Xbox wouldn't be done. Just that a Sega Sammy purchase would be a very difficult and possible non-starter as a follow through from the ABK decision. At least with current regulator aims.

Letting a $68 billion purchase barely go through, or even be blocked, doesn't magically clear the way for a $4.5 billion one. The market impact doesn't start and stop at whatever the price these deals are, and one "tier" of company doesn't open up any other at or below that.
 

megamanofnumbers

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Ok. It's official. Microsoft has entirely lost the plot now.

Guys. Just make more exclusive good games.

I thought Phil was into something when he said "a couple of really good exclusives won't save Xbox", but after Starfield? They really need to reconsider.
 

UraMallas

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If this a reference including one of my earlier responses, no, didn't say Xbox wouldn't be done. Just that a Sega Sammy purchase would be a very difficult and possible non-starter as a follow through from the ABK decision. At least with current regulator aims.

Letting a $68 billion purchase barely go through, or even be blocked, doesn't magically clear the way for a $4.5 billion one. The market impact doesn't start and stop at whatever the price these deals are, and one "tier" of company doesn't open up any other at or below that.
I doubt it was a response to you because I was only 3 pages deep when I posted it. Unless your post was one of the many in the first 300 that said it.
 

12Danny123

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If this a reference including one of my earlier responses, no, didn't say Xbox wouldn't be done. Just that a Sega Sammy purchase would be a very difficult and possible non-starter as a follow through from the ABK decision. At least with current regulator aims.

Letting a $68 billion purchase barely go through, or even be blocked, doesn't magically clear the way for a $4.5 billion one. The market impact doesn't start and stop at whatever the price these deals are, and one "tier" of company doesn't open up any other at or below that.

The only reason why ABK acquisition is in the situation it is right now is because ABK has COD. Sega doesn't have anything close to COD, so the legal argument would be different. Being big isn't a strong argument.
 
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That sucks and is certainly a bummer but that's in-compliment to their games existing on PC. My point is that if "accessibility" is your biggest concern as a gamer then PC is the place to be which means that MS buying anyone wouldn't really change anything for you. They were arguing that the industry is becoming less accessible and I'm saying that's incorrect
Sorry i was just a little bit annoyed with the streaming comment lol cuz for 3rd world countries streaming is actually less accessible than even regular digital content but yet people bring up streaming as if itll bring gaming to the masses when currently its way more restrictive. Sure maybe in the US but not south of it
Can you believe it took only till last year for spotify to even release where i live? Its like companies are even more stingy with where their content goes the moment streaming is the distribution platform smh. And i speak the same English the US and UK speak so its not like there is even an extra cost of translation needed.
 
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bsigg

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You guys know that would mean instant death for Sega, right?
Na, nothing would change for Sega other than games being available on Xbox.

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Stefarno

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Microsoft aren't that stupid, even if they bought Sega there is zero chance they'd make things like Persona and Yakuza exclusive.

They'd get to use the games for marketing, add all the legacy games to Game Pass, put new games on Game Pass Day 1... but also sell them on other consoles for Ā£60 + DLC and get a chunk of that.
 

Supreme Leader Galahad

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Even as more of PlayStation fan....
I actually wish Microsoft had bought Bungie back.

Maybe a good Halo might get made again vs more Destiny and Marathon.
Bungie clearly doesnt want to do Halo neither blockbuster single player games, thats not what fuels the devs at Bungie these days, why make a team work on something they dont want to? Also MS is smart and hands off, they would let Halo die as it should and let Bungie do what theyre doing now.
 

Kyra

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Yes, them having money puts them directly in a power position, because it allows them to buy more than any of their competitors can. It's capitalism, money is the ultimate source of power outside of having an actual army (which you still have to pay with money). After Microsoft willingness to buy Activision for 70 billion USD please stop using arguments that third party deals are too expensive for Microsoft.
You don't need to be in a dominant position in a market to have power and Microsoft proves exactly just that. It's way too big of a company too ignore with their pockets and has way too much ties in game development to ignore (even Stadia's tools required Microsoft software to run).

All of the companies involved in the market participate in the same capitalistic system. As if Sony's goal was to not have the same amount of money MS has or more. It's a pipedream to think that anytime soon they would achieve this but if we were having the discussion about how capitalism ruins everything than the intentions of everyone involved would be relevant and not just MS. It would be great if the system was different but it's not. In this context MS is in no power position and there is no guarantee that the use of their money will change that. In the context of these conditions we should also be pushing for Xbox to have market share closer to its competitors.
 

bsigg

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Microsoft aren't that stupid, even if they bought Sega there is zero chance they'd make things like Persona and Yakuza exclusive.

They'd get to use the games for marketing, add all the legacy games to Game Pass, put new games on Game Pass Day 1... but also sell them on other consoles for Ā£60 + DLC and get a chunk of that.
That was/is? their plan per the due diligence slides they have for Sega in some of the documents.
 

Geode

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Microsoft aren't that stupid, even if they bought Sega there is zero chance they'd make things like Persona and Yakuza exclusive.

They'd get to use the games for marketing, add all the legacy games to Game Pass, put new games on Game Pass Day 1... but also sell them on other consoles for Ā£60 + DLC and get a chunk of that.

Sounds like you would be right based on this.

Na, nothing would change for Sega other than games being available on Xbox.

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Ashes of Dreams

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Persona 6's announcement is going to be INTERESTING to say the least!
As long as it comes to multiple platforms I don't care who gets to announce it. Though if it does one day become Xbox exclusive then I won't be able to complain because I got annoyed at people port begging for every Atlus game on Switch. So I'd just have to suck it up and go digital on PC.
 
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Bungie clearly doesnt want to do Halo neither blockbuster single player games, thats not what fuels the devs at Bungie these days, why make a team work on something they dont want to? Also MS is smart and hands off, they would let Halo die as it should and let Bungie do what theyre doing now.
Maybe not made themselves exactly but maybe assist or supervise one down the line.
idk
 
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