Here is Lars Wingefors talking about Metro Exodus
https://tv.streamfabriken.com/thq-nordic-q5-2019?seek=784
https://tv.streamfabriken.com/thq-nordic-q5-2019?seek=784
Honestly moderation in this place has kind of been a garbage heap. I've seen people get banned for very tame comments against Epic. Hopefully now that it's apparent that we're right the moderation team will be more fair with the people it chased offYeah, I noticed how mods and admins in previous threads would post dumb shit like the COD Steam group meme without a hint of irony or self-awareness, as if they're incapable of following their own rules.
Everybody that is unhappy with the way epic and involved publishers are conducting busines should be happy that the game bombed and hurts the involved parties financially.
That is literally what "Voting with your wallet" means, neolibs.
Or is that entire phrase also just another load of corporate bootlicking that stops to be the "mature solution" the moment it shows that its working?
The very reason Epic is having to moneyhat people is the expectation that the games will sell less than they would had they not been exclusive.
I dislike these exclusivity agreements but I wouldn't go cheering victory quite yet; the point of the exclusivity is to try to grow the store's userbase, and until then they'll have to spend money to make up for lost revenue to do that.
Games selling poorly might prolong Epic's efforts to moneyhat exclusives and not the other way around; there's multiple ways of looking at this type of situation. If EGS instantly caught on and became popular Epic would probably stop spending the money for these agreements. So be careful what you wish for.
The very reason Epic is having to moneyhat people is the expectation that the games will sell less than they would had they not been exclusive.
I dislike these exclusivity agreements but I wouldn't go cheering victory quite yet; the point of the exclusivity is to try to grow the store's userbase, and until then they'll have to spend money to make up for lost revenue to do that.
Games selling poorly might prolong Epic's efforts to moneyhat exclusives and not the other way around; there's multiple ways of looking at this type of situation. If EGS instantly caught on and became popular Epic would probably stop spending the money for these agreements. So be careful what you wish for.
Sure; I'm just saying their first exclusives failing to sell well isn't necessarily going to lead them to stop the practice.One could argue the opposite:
If it's working for Epic, that means they'll do it in bigger scale if they see returns from it.
It's not only about Epic. It's also publishers. They need to see there's a financial punition for that kind of stuff.
PC Era has a lot of interesting things to say about the EGS when we don't have to deal with pages of "CoMpEtItIoN" and "Just another click" posts.This thread is turning out to be a denser read than I was expecting.
My guess is growing up with "capitalism is all and corporations are people too" ingrained in us either consciously or subconsciously. Kind of like the second amendment here in the US.
It's sad. If this isn't just contrarian trolling or... um... 'work', it's really sad to see people emotionally invested with corporations that they would want to silence other consumers from even voting with their wallets by insinuating that it is 'toxic'
People want to stick it to the man but not confront the consequences of doing it. They think studios will recapacitate and do better in the future, while the most likely scenario is that the studio will close and people will lose their jobs. But the public cannot be blamed by the situations started by those very devs/publishers.It's sad. If this isn't just contrarian trolling or... um... 'work', it's really sad to see people emotionally invested with corporations that they would want to silence other consumers from even voting with their wallets by insinuating that it is 'toxic'
The console sales were a niche compared to the PC sales where the franchise used to be a Juggernaut but it still sold a lot of console copies. I don't think that for some reason every console owner now wanted to buy Exodus and it's most likely that the PC sales simply took a nosedive due to the exclusivity deal and the fact that the majority of PC players oppose the EGS and its tactics.So metro is already making a profit and the vast majority of sales are on console. How times have changed. I always thought it was pretty niche series on console but not anymore.
I remember someone saying giving a good answer to thisAm I misremembering or wasn't there news about Metro Exodus sales on EGS to be absolutely amazing and better than expected around the launch window?
I don't think Metro Exodus sold badly overall. It probably underperformed on pc though.
What is happening with PC era ?even more so when Era scared away half of PC era last month lol.
That's not the takeaway. The PC sales completely tanked, which most are correlating to it being exclusive to of the Epic store.So metro is already making a profit and the vast majority of sales are on console. How times have changed. I always thought it was pretty niche series on console but not anymore.
I'd like to know how much it sold on Steam when it was announced that it would an EGS exclusive and if it ended up selling better than on the EGS at launch.
That's not the takeaway. The PC sales completely tanked, which most are correlating to it being exclusive to of the Epic store.
Have the console sales for the launch not greatly increased over the previous game? And that doesn't factor in digital.The console sales were a niche compared to the PC sales where the franchise used to be a Juggernaut but it still sold a lot of console copies. I don't think that for some reason every console owner now wanted to buy Exodus and it's most likely that the PC sales simply took a nosedive due to the exclusivity deal and the fact that the majority of PC players oppose the EGS and its tactics.
Impossible. I was told repeatedly that PC gamers were just gonna shut up and use the EGS anyways.
Could it be that a lot of Era doesn't have a clue when it comes to PC gaming?
the first few i understand, if they're not super ear to the ground then they could be caught off guard and not understand why they wouldn't take free money for "just another launcher"I can understand an indie studio taking the cash and running, but why would this big publisher be swayed?
If I remember that slide correctly they said that Metro Exodus sold 2.5 times more than Metro Last Light did during the same period of time. The slide never mentioned if those sales were on EGS or not.Am I misremembering or wasn't there news about Metro Exodus sales on EGS to be absolutely amazing and better than expected around the launch window?
I'm willing to believe that all of the moneyhats we've seen thus far were all sent out before the initial backlash.the first few i understand, if they're not super ear to the ground then they could be caught off guard and not understand why they wouldn't take free money for "just another launcher"
the middle ones who already signed before the initial uproar but had to announce after it I can understand
the late ones presumably signed post outcry I cannot understand unless their studio was on life support but the amount of good will you throw away seems to be killing any long term survival your company could have in exchange for a short guaranteed period of staying afloat
the first few i understand, if they're not super ear to the ground then they could be caught off guard and not understand why they wouldn't take free money for "just another launcher"
the middle ones who already signed before the initial uproar but had to announce after it I can understand
the late ones presumably signed post outcry I cannot understand unless their studio was on life support but the amount of good will you throw away seems to be killing any long term survival your company could have in exchange for a short guaranteed period of staying afloat
lets be honest here...metro is nowhere near the caliber of borderlands 3, red dead redemption..when those hit pc as epic store exclusives, CAUSE THEY WILL, it kind of obvious (BL3 laready is lol), they will sell millions. Not as many as on steam for sure, but millions nonetheless, but with moneyhat on thats perfectly fine for pubs and devs.
metro exodus is a decent/good game at best..not bad, but not very good. once the big titles start coming out, the egs lovers will come out flaunting their new flavor of the month.
LMFAO, source please? i mean...if you are going to throw random ass numbers around that are absolutely not true at all, damn...ya...it is wlel known that witcher 2 did not outsell the pc version and especially by a LARGE AMOUNT lol, and withcer 3 is still one of the best selling games on PC outselling even new games. It has most likely surpassed console sales on the long run already.I read this more like "wow the console market really is a good place to be" just like how Witcher 2 and 3 did better on consoles than PC by a large amount t
.........Shocker. I imagine even the switch version sold more than the EGS version.
I can't stand the "just another launcher" type stuff either, but it's not really era specific if we're being fair. I'm on the PC gaming reddit and general games Reddit and the same opinions are shared there as well as other comment sections. It just seems like people are divided in general over the matter.
On the PC side, do you think they factored in the EGS moneyhat? Like when the said it already made a profit do you think they included that or not?
You're banned so you won't see this until that ban ends but man, this is a bad fuckin' take. How embarrassing for you...Reset: Oh my god, don't work too hard developers! We value you - crunch is EVIL. 4A sacrificed so much to finish Metro: Last Light!
Also Reset: lmao glad your game sold badly, don't wrong us gamers again