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Trump on Trial - Episode 3 |OT| The One with the Bigliest Assets Ever (UP: $454m + interest + bans)

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Deleted the threadmark here. Court is closed today because Trump backed out. Day 43 will be tomorrow.
 
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Given everything that's associated with anyone carrying water for Trump, what exactly will be the consequences for Habba? She won't face repercussions sadly and if she does, it won't happen soon enough.

Given the statements she's made to the public about Trump's trials, she'll likely say "this is a witch hunt" once more is revealed.
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Looking at those cheekbones and mascara she's already the living dead. She's Skelator!
 
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APOEERA said:
Given everything that's associated with anyone carrying water for Trump, what exactly will be the consequences for Habba? She won't face repercussions sadly and if she does, it won't happen soon enough.

Given the statements she's made to the public about Trump's trials, she'll likely say "this is a witch hunt" once more is revealed.
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If she gets disbarred she can no longer be a Parking Lot Lawyer
 
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Mivey said:
Would being disbarred only have consequences for the state of New Jersey (meaning she should still work as a lawyer outside NJ) or would it be a nationwide thing?
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You're generally only on the bar in your own state and get a requested exception when operating in other states from their local bar. Loose your license and no other state is going to give you a temp ok
 
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Mivey said:
Would being disbarred only have consequences for the state of New Jersey (meaning she should still work as a lawyer outside NJ) or would it be a nationwide thing?
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The way it is usually worded is you have to be admitted and in good standing in at least one state. I don't know how it works if you are admitted in multiple states and disbarred in only one of them. Habba is currently admitted in New Jersey, New York and Connecticut.
 
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phisheep said:
The way it is usually worded is you have to be admitted and in good standing in at least one state. I don't know how it works if you are admitted in multiple states and disbarred in only one of them. Habba is currently admitted in New Jersey, New York and Connecticut.
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Does that mean she did the bar exam three times, in three different states? If it's rather that she did it once in NJ, and then got this "requested exception" that Mandos mentioned for the other two states, then this could still basically kill her career if she gets disbarred in her home state.
 
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Mivey said:
Does that mean she did the bar exam three times, in three different states? If it's rather that she did it once in NJ, and then got this "requested exception" that Mandos mentioned for the other two states, then this could still basically kill her career if she gets disbarred in her home state.
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I don't know.
 
TRIAL - Day 43, defense rests, rebuttal witnesses
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    Day 43 summary

    Witnesses
    Eli Bartov (accounting professor at NYU)
    defense case rests - on to AG rebuttal
    Kevin Sneddon (ex-Trump Org VP)
    Eric Lewis (accounting professor, Cornell)

    Stewart Bishop unrolled thread here.
     
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    Yep, we're in court. And the lawyers are arguing again ...


    View: https://twitter.com/stewartbishop/status/1734593079657550196

    This is sneaky of Kise, because his 'expert' witnesses were supposedly rebuttal witnesses so were strictly not needed as the AG didn't put up the witnesses they were there to rebut since it had all been decided on summary judgment. But he put them up anyway, so AG should be able to respond. I think.
     
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    We're now done with Bartiv, and that was the defense's last witness. They're not through yet though. Kise tries to introduce a whole load of new documents into evidence..


    View: https://twitter.com/stewartbishop/status/1734663299126460650

    And another attempt at getting a directed verdict..


    View: https://twitter.com/stewartbishop/status/1734664379491054070


    View: https://twitter.com/stewartbishop/status/1734666009729016128

    At last the defense rests and we get the first of the AG's rebuttal witnesses, who is Kevin Sneddon, an ex-Trump Org VP.
     
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    Sneddon testifies it was Weisselberg who told him the penthouse was 30,000 sq ft.
     
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    We're done with Sneddon. Now up, Eric Lewis, an accounting professor at Cornell. Kise objects that he's not a proper accountant (and not even a tenured professor), that's rich coming from Kise after his string of Trump's 'expert' golfing buddies, but Engoron lets it go on for now.

    This is the last witness apparently. Also a lot cheaper than Bartov.
     
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    phisheep said:
    We're done with Sneddon. Now up, Eric Lewis, an accounting professor at Cornell. Kise objects that he's not a proper accountant (and not even a tenured professor), that's rich coming from Kise after his string of Trump's 'expert' golfing buddies, but Engoron lets it go on for now.

    This is the last witness apparently. Also a lot cheaper than Bartov.
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    From a quick Google search, Eric Lewis has a Ph.D in Accounting. Having a Ph.D in Accounting is actually above having a CPA. CPA just means you can adhere to state guidelines and principles and essentially prepare financial statements and tax returns. Ph.D teaches the people going in for their CPA exams.

    I took Accounting in my undergrad and even I knew the difference so why can't Trump's lawyers (probably because they aren't good at their jobs anyway)?
     
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    Looks like we will be flying blind today, which should be the last day in court. The Law360 guys (including the excellent Stewart Bishop) are on 24-hour strike.

    I don't know if anyone else is in court. Let me know if you find one.

    EDIT: A couple of new filings on the docket, defense objections to the State's rebuttal witnesses. There's some suggestion the defense may want to bring witnesses back to rebut the rebuttal, so we may not be quite there yet.
     
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    Ha, the right wing nutters will definitely latch onto Engoron saying "holiday season".

    They do so love obsessing about the "war on Christmas".
     
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    'The gravity of potential harm is small': Trump lawsuit over civil fraud trial judge's gag orders 'not permitted,' appellate court rules


    Former President Donald Trump's attempt to sue Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron over the New York civil fraud trial judge's gag orders was "not permitted," the appellate division concluded in a four-page decision and order Thursday.
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    Trump filed the petition under Article 78 against Engoron back in mid-November, asking the appellate division to agree that the jurist's gag orders and fines against the former president and his lawyers were an abuse of authority and unconstitutional.
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    The court explained that "the gravity of potential harm" to Trump "is small, given that the Gag Order is narrow, limited to prohibiting solely statements regarding the court's staff" and, in any event, Engoron's orders are "reviewable through the ordinary appellate process."
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    In a subsequent order Thursday, the appellate division panel denied Trump's motion for leave to appeal to the New York Court of Appeals and said the "motion for expedited resolution of the petition is denied as moot."
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    'Gravity of potential harm is small': Trump suit over fraud trial judge's gags 'not permitted'

    Former President Donald Trump's attempt to sue his civil fraud trial judge over gag orders was "not permitted," the appellate division concluded Thursday.
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    That phrasing is a little weird and at first I thought they were ruling in favor of Trump, saying that the potential for harm from his being able to speak is small. Which it definitely isn't.

    Glad to re-read and realize that it's a big loss though.
     
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    Things you probably don't wanna hear if you're the defense.

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    Judge rejects key points of Trump's defense in NY civil fraud case in bad sign for former president


    Judge Arthur Engoron slammed Trump's accounting experts and rejected key points of the defense in an order Monday denying a motion for a directed verdict filed by Trump's attorneys after trial testimony ended last week.
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    It would be a "glaring flaw" to assume testimony from Trump accounting experts Eli Bartov and Jason Flemmons are true and accurate, the judge wrote.
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    Bartov is a tenured professor, but all that his testimony proves is that for a million or so dollars, some experts will say whatever you want them to say," Engoron wrote. "By doggedly attempting to justify every misstatement, Professor Bartov lost all credibility."
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    Engoron added: "Defendants also trot out two of their standard canards, that valuations are subjective and that the law only penalizes 'material' deviations. These both fall into the category of 'Let no one be fooled.'"

    A valuation can be based on different criteria and analyzed different ways, the judge said, "But a lie is still a lie."
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    Judge rejects key points of Trump’s defense in New York civil fraud case in bad sign for former president | CNN Politics

    The New York trial judge overseeing Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial wrote a scathing denial of the former president’s latest attempt to toss the state attorney general’s case against him — potentially a preview of a tough outcome for Trump as the trial process winds down.
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