Some of these testimonies read like a bad saturday morning cartoon. I cannot even fathom how people like this CEO can even exist and land into such a position in this day and age.
Did you lose a bet for that avatar?
This is late, but uhhh what? You're making zero sense with this post.Got it. So you think when a console manufacturer reveals a game, they should do no due diligence on the health of the team and the state of the game being developed?
That's goodThis game was the only one from the showcase that the main PlayStation Twitter account didn't tweet about. So it seems like Sony are aware of this issue at least.
considering the timing of everything, probablyHoly shit.
Why would Sony show this? Were they just completely oblivious to the internal happenings of a studio and game they chose to highlight?!
Some of these testimonies read like a bad saturday morning cartoon. I cannot even fathom how people like this CEO can even exist and land into such a position in this day and age.
This is late, but uhhh what? You're making zero sense with this post.
Edit: anyway, to the topic on hand. That's awful and I hope the devs get their compensation. That entire situation is bull!
Good to hear, I guess they were only recently made aware of this.This game was the only one from the showcase that the main PlayStation Twitter account didn't tweet about. So it seems like Sony are aware of this issue at least.
Dude it is not their studio, they don't own them in any way. You are acting like them showing a short trailer during a state of play is some major business relationship.You're right.
Having third-party auditing to ensure the health and safety of developers shouldn't be considered.
Just leave it to the Studio and Publisher. Because that's clearly working.
Three checks-and-balances is better than two, you say!
... pretty sure you got those backwards. Unless you're meaning to say that it's a good thing the original devs got ripped off, won't be able to work on their project anymore, and apparently have a black mark on their employment records.Best case scenario: The game gets shoved off to another studio.
Worst case scenario: Aeon DOES die.
Dude it is not their studio, they don't own them in any way. You are acting like them showing a short trailer during a state of play is some major business relationship.
You're right.
Having third-party auditing to ensure the health and safety of developers shouldn't be considered.
Just leave it to the Studio and Publisher. Because that's clearly working.
Three checks-and-balances is better than two, you say!
Please stop being obtuse and unreasonable. How do you expect companies like Sony or Nintendo to always check every single one of them companies that send them trailers to showcase for good management practices? I mean what the heck is this. And don't make this a moral grandstanding on your part too: what you are suggesting are completely unreasonable and stupid.
Now, they clearly said not to moral grandstand and here we areOr are you perfectly fine with the way the industry is operating currently when it comes to developer wellbeing?
Now, they clearly said not to moral grandstand and here we are
It's unreasonable to vet the games and studios you showcase alongside your brand and hardware in a SHOWCASE?
It's not hard. Every partnership across numerous (if not most) industries do this.
If you're going partner / source / showcase third-party work, do the due diligence of vetting it - even if it provides you the safety net of a short paper trail.
But also, shouldn't we be looking to console manufacturers and AAA publishers to implement practices and vetting processes that weed shit like developer abuse out entirely?
Or are you perfectly fine with the way the industry is operating currently when it comes to developer wellbeing?
You seem far more concerned about imaginary damage to Sony's image than developer wellbeing.It's unreasonable to vet the games and studios you showcase alongside your brand and hardware in a SHOWCASE?
It's not hard. Every partnership across numerous (if not most) industries do this.
If you're going partner / source / showcase third-party work, do the due diligence of vetting it - even if it provides you the safety net of a short paper trail.
But also, shouldn't we be looking to console manufacturers and AAA publishers to implement practices and vetting processes that weed shit like developer abuse out entirely?
Or are you perfectly fine with the way the industry is operating currently when it comes to developer wellbeing?
Fuck, man. I'm gonna have to school you, because you don't seem to get it. I worked in a company and we were granted a spot on the last PlayStation Experience event that was made. The way that shit works in the industry, is that the heads of the publishing company makes a deal with Sony to get a spot in one of their showcases. Sony then gives you some specifications to go from (resolution, duration, framerate, format, etc.), and then you you deliver the video based on that. That's it. They don't get involved at all in what else happens. It's not their responsibility. Anyway, 3 months later, the company had massive layoffs, including me. And guess what? Its on the publisher, not on Sony. They don't go and check what the developer is doing, that falls on the publisher responsibility. An event like this is a huge event for a smaller company, because the attention you gather is huge. The publisher will do whatever it can to put the video in there, it's their chance to shine. You blaming Sony is one the dumbest takes I read in a while.
You seem far more concerned about imaginary damage to Sony's image than developer wellbeing.
It's unreasonable to vet the games and studios you showcase alongside your brand and hardware in a SHOWCASE?
It's not hard. Every partnership across numerous (if not most) industries do this.
If you're going partner / source / showcase third-party work, do the due diligence of vetting it - even if it provides you the safety net of a short paper trail.
But also, shouldn't we be looking to console manufacturers and AAA publishers to implement practices and vetting processes that weed shit like developer abuse out entirely?
Or are you perfectly fine with the way the industry is operating currently when it comes to developer wellbeing?
What exactly are you asking of Sony here? That they fly a PR person out to Estonia in the middle of a pandemic, to tour the studio? Should they request their bank statements and tax returns?
You're being ridiculous and are derailing the thread from the actual focus.
Yeah, you are totally not being unreasonable at all, no siree!Yeah, done explaining the rationale here as I've done for 20 people before you.
Any presence during a highly curated State of Play should be vetted.
Fuck, man. You don't seem to get it.
I'm saying that there aren't many entities in the industry with the power of Sony, Nintendo, MS or AAA Publishers to make impactful change - in racial equality, in sexual assault and in this - crunch and developer abuse.
Console manufacturers profit from the inclusion of all third party software. All I've said is that they too should apply an additional layer of scrutiny.
And you thinking I blame Sony ONLY is one of the dumbest interpretations of my comment yet. This is on the developer. This is on the publisher.
But console manufacturers should implement a third line of defense for developers.
Sorry. You and I clearly aren't going to see eye to eye on this.
And you're clearly oblivious regarding who you're talking to. I've worked with PlayStation and it's the primary hardware in my entertainment system. Even having to explain my intentions to you makes me realize I'm wasting my time.
And you know this to be standard industry practice that was failed in this one case?Simple Zoom, Skype or Google Meet meetings with select devs will suffice.
Not as expensive or time consuming as what you just outlined (not to mention overcomplicated).
No, we won't, because you want to give some weird-ass responsibility to a company that doesn't have to take any responsibility in this thing. AT ALL. If the news had broken down and this game weren't in the show, nobody would have talked about it. This, good or bad, brings attention to this problem.
And you know this to be standard industry practice that was failed in this one case?
Unless this is true, you're simply looking at a bad situation and being completely reactionary.
Did Sony and Microsoft vet Ubisoft to find out about the rampant sexual misconduct? Oops.
You're asking Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft to become industry watchdogs. Of every development studio in existence.You just made my point. Maybe, they should have.
That'd light a fire under the ass of publishers to ensure healthy work environments. Wouldn't it?
We don't have common ground. If I'm a Brand Manager or Studio Liaison with SIE, I'd want to know about the health of the employees behind the game we're showing. Moreover, I want to know that what I'm showing is legally sound from an IP infringement standpoint. And of course the studio and publisher isn't going to tell me to fuck off - because I'm their best shot at mass awareness among consumers. Will they lie? Maybe. But will I at least have a paper trail of attempting to gather a report? Yes.
So let me reiterate. The studio heads shouldn't have been shitty. Focus should've known. And Sony - a major vessel for third parties to showcase their games - should have audits in place. Especially given how toxic this industry is behind the scenes.
So no. No common ground here it seems.
Simple Zoom, Skype or Google Meet meetings with select devs will suffice.
Not as expensive or time consuming as what you just outlined (not to mention overcomplicated).
Holy fuck. This Yarl cretin should never be allowed to run another studio.Man, click on the Dropbox link and read some of the testimonials. If those are true this studio is absolute trash.
The composer one is the first I clicked and yikes.
I'm wasting my time here.
Well, it's been a treat, thread! Adios.
Very likely this is gonna happen. What i'm surprised about is that so little amount of youtubers have taken up on that story. Probably the studio and project are not big enough to generate views?Holy fuck. This Yarl cretin should never be allowed to run another studio.
Sony should demand health data for employees of all third parties? Lol, you know that would be actually illegal in most jurisdictions right?I'd want to know about the health of the employees behind the game we're showing.
No they don't.It's not hard. Every partnership across numerous (if not most) industries do this.
This kind of thing, the type of "vetting" you're talking about, it's not a thing. And it shouldn't be really, the implications of it have potential to be gross.It's unreasonable to vet the games and studios you showcase alongside your brand and hardware in a SHOWCASE?
It's not hard. Every partnership across numerous (if not most) industries do this.
If you're going partner / source / showcase third-party work, do the due diligence of vetting it - even if it provides you the safety net of a short paper trail.
But also, shouldn't we be looking to console manufacturers and AAA publishers to implement practices and vetting processes that weed shit like developer abuse out entirely?
Or are you perfectly fine with the way the industry is operating currently when it comes to developer wellbeing?
I'm pretty certain the poster you're replying to is referring to the healthiness of the working conditions, not exposing medical records.Sony should demand health data for employees of all third parties? Lol, you know that would be actually illegal in most jurisdictions right?
No they don't.
You're asking Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft to become industry watchdogs. Of every development studio in existence.