This is the rare instance where last night while people were saying "fuck cable news", cable news was on top of this. By 11 PM this had all been laid out. I'm glad people followed up on it today to write this up.
US PoliEra 2019 |OT3| YOU WERE AT MY WEDDING, DENISE
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So if the FBI reveals that Trump was a foreign agent, then Sarah Sanders will call for Trump's execution?
They aren't going to reveal that. If they could we wouldn't have gotten the Barr statement we got.
We don't need Muellers report to tell us if there was any collusion. We already know about the Don Jr trump tower meeting and Manafort giving proprietary polling data to a russian oligarch. That's collusion.
I don't care what Sanders says, what Barr says, what the headlines of the day say, if the Trump admin and his lawyers are still fighting tooth and nail to keep the report from the public eye moving forward, I have no doubt in my mind there is something bad in it. I think Mueller just said here is what I found, congress do what you need to do, except Barr and Rosenstein took that upon themselves to make that determination instead of congress.
If this so called witch hunt was one after all, why spend anymore effort to keep it from the public eye? Why not let the world see just how much a joke Mueller and his investigation was? Unless of course there is damning stuff in their and your AG is trying to sweep it under the rug for you.
If this so called witch hunt was one after all, why spend anymore effort to keep it from the public eye? Why not let the world see just how much a joke Mueller and his investigation was? Unless of course there is damning stuff in their and your AG is trying to sweep it under the rug for you.
I think they're going to try the Trump tax return route here. Imagine if the house hadn't flipped. Barf.
Here's a new poll of the Chicago mayoral race by Temkin/Harris on behalf of WTTW-TV and Crain's Chicago Business.
500 LV, 3/18-3/20, MoE 4.4%
That's an awful lot of undecideds for a poll this close to election day but obviously these numbers are brutal for Preckwinkle, whose campaign has been a total disaster since the first round ended. Both WTTW and Crain's have some limited reporting about the crosstabs although the general question is not who leads among each demographic group but rather by how much does Lightfoot lead. Really though it's been clear for a while that barring some major surprise, Lori Lightfoot is going to be Chicago's next mayor.
500 LV, 3/18-3/20, MoE 4.4%
That's an awful lot of undecideds for a poll this close to election day but obviously these numbers are brutal for Preckwinkle, whose campaign has been a total disaster since the first round ended. Both WTTW and Crain's have some limited reporting about the crosstabs although the general question is not who leads among each demographic group but rather by how much does Lightfoot lead. Really though it's been clear for a while that barring some major surprise, Lori Lightfoot is going to be Chicago's next mayor.
Yes, but it won't be in a hurry. They obviously have to schedule in those millions of people in the population and GOP that called Obama a foreign agent first, right?
The twitter replies suggest this reporter is Putin's journalist, heh.
You don't need his taxes when the head of his company flipped for you.
Again, mostly to myself: we have way too many people flipping to not have this go up to Trump and beyond (overseas).
The thing I don't get about the report is it being submitted while investigations and trials were still ongoing. The timing seems really weird.
And if Trump really weren't guilty of any criminal actions, why the hell has he been acting shady as sbit for the last few years? Be sure didn't act like someone with nothing to hide.
And if Trump really weren't guilty of any criminal actions, why the hell has he been acting shady as sbit for the last few years? Be sure didn't act like someone with nothing to hide.
The media goes out of their way to lie about the report (or rather, lack of report) in their headlines and Trump immediately starts a campaign slamming the media, they sure love the punishment. I'm sure they'll take their frustrations out on a AOC or something though. Gotta have some stress relief right?
Because he has stuff to hide. We've seen clear evidence of loan fraud, tax fraud and felony campaign finance violations. We haven't even seen his taxes.
He creates a perfect environment for them. Non-stop ratings and tax cuts for their bosses.
There's a lot of things that don't make sense, it's why I'm waiting for the actual report.
A statement saying the President didn't obstruct justice from a guy that believes a President cannot obstruct justice, doesn't cut it for me.
The most frustrating thing has always been that American media DOES have major problems. Just not in the way Trump says. It's just more of capitalism at work.
That's the thing. We've seen him committing crimes right in the open. I mean, the guy openly obstructed justice on several occasions. He threatened witnesses openly! How were there no findings of any of this? Yes, I know it was Barr saying that, but there's been way too much evidence seen in Trump's daily behavior for there too have been no criminal activity.
I give WaPo/NYT more credit than that, i think they desperately want to be viewed as unbiased, so when they find something bad about Trump, they overcompensate by going easy on him when they can and hire abunch of partisan hacks to write op-eds for them, and overcompensate when criticizing democrats.
Isn't there still the case of that mystery company resisting a Mueller subpeona that is heading to the Supreme Court? How can he be done if that stuff is still up in the air. This just screams that Barr shut it down so he can shove it under a rug and hope people forget about over the next 2 years before 2020 elections.
The summary letter specifically mentions that there is *evidence* of obstruction of justice. You just have to read between the lines a bit. But that doesn't mean you have enough evidence to make it worth pursuing a conviction.
And to be fair, there's a lot of merit in that. You don't want to take a swing at Trump and have a jury rule in his favor.
Slate's article was interesting. I thought it was funny that so little evidence from the report would be cited that this certainly helps. The briefing with the FBI will undoubtedly yield more leaks, which makes the initial responses to this report look worse. There's still no telling how this well end.
More importantly, I await work from SDNY on Trump's crimes before office.
More importantly, I await work from SDNY on Trump's crimes before office.
It goes to court and eventually to the supreme Court where a republican majority will most likely side with Barr
So now that Mueller is done this mystery company just gets off the hook? Do they get fined $50K a day for the rest of eternity? There are too many loose ends for someone with Mueller's reputation to leave if there wasn't something gumming up the works. This company, Corsi plea deal, etc.
Is the counter intelligence investigation into Trump even finished or did it get handed off?
The reality we live in now is the supreme court favors Trump slightly more than it doesn't and that the senate side of congress will not do it's job as a check and balance to the executive.
I would agree, which is why I want to see how in the report Mueller reconciled these things with his determination of no collusion.
I haven't been following the Chicago race very closely. Could I get a summary as to the differences between Lightfoot/Preckwinkle and maybe some conjecture as to why Lightfoot has such a commanding lead?
Trump team making fun of the media for everything that's happened the last 48 hours will get over a hundred times this coverage
so in other news the president is still a huge racist who will happily let the people of Puerto Rico starve.
We don't know what Mueller determined, what we got yesterday was Barrs assessment of the report, which is obviously lacking 99% of Muellers findings.
What don't the House Dems need to hammer him on? There's too much stuff, they won't get to it all.
Good, I was wondering about this. At least someone is still pursuing this stuff hopefully.
well this goes back to my original point that you first quoted: either "no collusion with the Russian govt" is a catch all for no collusion with *any* Russians (in which case, how does that square with the Trump Tower meeting and giving polling data to Kilminik?) OR Barr massively mischaracterized Mueller's findings in only concentrating on collusion with specific govt officials and not collusion with any and all Russians.
Because if it's the latter, and the report does indicate that Trump campaign figures did collude with Russians, just not any who are in official government capacities, then Barr's memo creates a ton of new political and legal problem for a lot of people, most especially Barr. And while I find it hard to believe that something like the Trump Tower meeting doesn't qualify as collusion, I find it even harder to believe that Mueller determined it was collusion and Barr completely omitted it from his memo, despite having to know full well that the report's findings would come out at some point, and inviting new legal peril specifically on to himself.
"It is unclear if prosecutors will pursue the information sought by the subpoena in the wake of the probe's conclusion."
They don't have any intention of releasing the full report, and the last time Barr was involved in a special counsel investigation he told the president to just pardon everyone. He's not worried about the ramifications of being misleading with the report.
This shouldn't be too confusing. If they'd finished their work into Trump's involvement and Trump's obstruction, handing everything else off makes sense.
If the mystery defendant is indeed the Qatari Investment Authority, it stands to reason this is where the whole Middle East nexus ended up. The Daily Beast reported late last year there are indictments to come: https://www.thedailybeast.com/get-ready-for-muellers-phase-two-the-middle-east-connection
Jesus fucking Christ these people. I can name 20 Trump supporters off the top of my head who by this same standard should never be allowed on television news ever again.
"Does this guest warrant further appearances in our programming, given the outrageous and unsupported claims made in the past?"
Trump himself does not meet this standard. And this ignores the fact that the campaign of the POTUS should not be trying to dictate to the press how to cover the news.
As you know, Mueller's report, which we're fighting with all our power to prevent from being released, totally vindicates the president.
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