You don't think Orb is valid?I can't believe we're spending any amount of time discussing the validity of Orb
You don't think Orb is valid?I can't believe we're spending any amount of time discussing the validity of Orb
DON'T YOU START
Apparently Marianne Williamson did fantastically on Dave Rubin. I definitely think bringing leftist ideas onto shows like that is a net benefit, and Williamson is much less of a kook than she might seem. The die-hards will obviously just respond angrily, and is probably the majority of people watching Rubin, but there's always people new to politics experimenting on all forms of media, and those people need to be reached too.
I'm still unsure if that means Buttigeig should have gone on. It depends on how much he'd push back like Williamson did.
29:00 if timestamp doesn't work.
Williamson is a wackjob who (probably) means well, so she occasionally says some prescient and very good things.
That doesn't mean she should be leading anything.
I have no clue what that last paragraph is referring to, and I think I'm better off for it. Well, let me amend that: someone who'd go on this show and defend Ayn Rand is also shitty just like the host.
I've truly never understood the whole YouTuber phenomenon, especially when they're trashy people who present themselves as public intellectuals.
Who in the holy hell are these people and why should anyone give a shit?
Really, why should we care what some weird people in a YouTube studio think about any damn thing?
Why do some of you feel the need to seek friendship, validation, or whatever it is you get from these people?
Why do some of you feel the need to seek friendship, validation, or whatever it is you get from these people?
No, peachy, but you know from previous discussions that the entire YouTube scene completely flummoxes me. These random people in a studio have a show. So what? Why do their opinions matter? Why do they merit being posted in this thread, or anywhere, especially when a not-insignificant number have, uh, questionable views or are pretty obviously alt-right? Why is going on their shows supposed to be something worth watching or intellectually stimulating instead of a failure of judgment? Is the only difference between Joe Blow your neighborhood bigot and "hey, he's not perfect, but he makes some good points..." really a few thousand subscribers and a livestream?
I wonder how many votes it would get. 10 Yea at most?
?Who in the holy hell are these people and why should anyone give a shit?
Really, why should we care what some weird people in a YouTube studio think about any damn thing?
Why do some of you feel the need to seek friendship, validation, or whatever it is you get from these people?
"Friendship" was not the right word, as you'll see in the post I wrote above, but I pretty much stand by everything else.?
Buttigeig announcing he was going on and then not going on Dave Rubin was discussed here before without this type of pushback. Main point being I think worries of platforming, while good in some contexts like that white suprimist on cnn, it's overblown to the point of not engaging with the other side in debate at all, and is symbolic of a larger issue of non-engagement.
It's not that I disagree about these things being overly used for wierd friendships and validation in this overly digital and segmented society, but I don't know why you bring it up here. Is it weird to still value those peoples insights and news curation?
I would lodge a similar argument at high frequency resetera posters too.
No, peachy, but you know from previous discussions that the entire YouTube scene completely flummoxes me.
These random people in a studio have a show. So what? Why do their opinions matter? Why do they merit being posted in this thread, or anywhere, especially when a not-insignificant number have, uh, questionable views or are pretty obviously alt-right? Why is going on their shows supposed to be something worth watching or intellectually stimulating instead of a failure of judgment? Is the only difference between Joe Blow your neighborhood bigot and "hey, he's not perfect, but he makes some good points..." really a few thousand subscribers and a livestream?
I can only produce two explanations: people watch to have their opinions validated in some way or feel some intellectual kinship or something with them. ("Friendship" was not the right word; I hope most people don't think of others they've never met or with whom they don't really interact as friends.)
Who in the holy hell are these people and why should anyone give a shit?
Really, why should we care what some weird people in a YouTube studio think about any damn thing?
Why do some of you feel the need to seek friendship, validation, or whatever it is you get from these people?
"Friendship" was not the right word, as you'll see in the post I wrote above, but I pretty much stand by everything else.
As for your question about values, I'll answer it this way: what people value and whose opinions they value speak to their character. And from what I've seen, a lot of these people have questionable opinions. Fill in the blanks.
There he isliterally sending money to dave rubin to show dave rubin how much you hate dave rubin
Why does everything have to be about some sort of ultimate judgement of the people involved instead of their actions and ideas?"Friendship" was not the right word, as you'll see in the post I wrote above, but I pretty much stand by everything else.
As for your question about values, I'll answer it this way: what people value and whose opinions they value speak to their character. And from what I've seen, a lot of these people have questionable opinions. Fill in the blanks.
Who does matter then? What separates a nobody from a somebody? Successfully making it into the Ivy League in group that has gotten near everything wrong but still owns everything and thus still controls nearly all content outside of the internet?YouTube does matter
But it's also super stupid and dumb that nobodies matter and everyone races to argue over random takes by youtubers or whatever... beyond causal entertainment for nonsense
Like it's stupid. But so are people. And I guess a stupid platform does well enough to politically influence stupid people
Like itd be great if it was mostly just for people to just laugh at Balloonshop or Smosh videos but I guess we can't have that
If you don't use actions and ideas to judge people, what the hell do you use? That orb that Marianne looks into?Why does everything have to be about some sort of ultimate judgement of the people involved instead of their actions and ideas?
Should we follow day to day events and if so, do books cover day to day events well?
Idk about all that. You guys are taking an extremely hardline; it's dangerous for people in conservative, alt-right adjacent bubbles to not be presented w/ any alternative. It doesn't mean it's always a good idea to go on these shows, particularly if the leftist is just going to agree with the conservative host. This was my point from the beginning - which you seem to not acknowledge.If you don't use actions and ideas to judge people, what the hell do you use? That orb that Marianne looks into?
I'll use an example from today and from another medium, if you like. Jake Tapper of CNN invited on his show Richard Spencer. Richard. Spencer. One of the leaders of the neo-Nazi movement in this country. A goose-stepping, Sig Heiling, "Jews will not replace us" Nazi whose only goal is not debating but recruiting people to inflict harm on others and who should not be given a platform under any circumstances. You know what that tells me about Jake Tapper and CNN more broadly? They either don't care what Spencer believes and has done, don't see it as an issue, or are sympathetic to it in some way. Pick any of the three, it tells me they're shitty and not worth my time because good people and responsible broadcasters don't legitimize Nazis on a mainstream platform. And you know what? I try not to be shitty. But I guess like attracts like.
Ditto with these shitty YouTubers who are either themselves or invite on the "just asking questions" crowd or the "politically incorrect" crowd. Good people don't do that or fraternize willingly with others who do. If Dave Rubin expresses alt-right views, he's a shitty person who should be ignored, not graced with visits by prominent people who legitimize him.
All sides are equal in the "marketplace of ideas". /s
The Mueller Report is going to be interesting to watch.
Who does matter then? What separates a nobody from a somebody? Successfully making it into the Ivy League in group that has gotten near everything wrong but still owns everything and thus still controls nearly all content outside of the internet?
Maybe there's a misunderstanding who is being argued about, because I posted a clip from a left wing YouTuber attacking Dave Rubin, and you sounded like you were attacking left youtubers too. I'll go into the nuance of why I value the opinion of micheal brooks and Ezra Klein equally despite them having very different views and histories and accolades while also seeing Dave Rubin as a general threat, but maybe that's not needed.If you don't use actions and ideas to judge people, what the hell do you use? That orb that Marianne looks into?
I'll use an example from today and from another medium, if you like. Jake Tapper of CNN invited on his show Richard Spencer. Richard. Spencer. One of the leaders of the neo-Nazi movement in this country. A goose-stepping, Sig Heiling, "Jews will not replace us" Nazi whose only goal is not debating but recruiting people to inflict harm on others and who should not be given a platform under any circumstances. You know what that tells me about Jake Tapper and CNN more broadly? They either don't care what Spencer believes and has done, don't see it as an issue, or are sympathetic to it in some way. Pick any of the three, it tells me they're shitty and not worth my time because good people and responsible broadcasters don't legitimize Nazis on a mainstream platform. And you know what? I try not to be shitty. But I guess like attracts like.
Ditto with these shitty YouTubers who are either themselves or invite on the "just asking questions" crowd or the "politically incorrect" crowd. Good people don't do that or fraternize willingly with others who do. If Dave Rubin expresses alt-right views, he's a shitty person who should be ignored, not graced with visits by prominent people who legitimize him.
I don't get this dismissing of one of the various forms that people learn is a productive exercise. Some people, like me, are more visual and auditory learners than words on a page. Video holds my attention much more these days than print does and YouTube is one of the main delivery methods. I don't get why y'all think it's lesser than just because it's not on paper.Lol why do you need to watch any of these talking heads.
I mean there are a few Op columnist I read like Gail Collins because she is a queen and goddess. But otherwise I'd rather have a spider lay eggs in my eyeballs generally.
It's not like any of you are incapable of formulating opinions without being told them.
How are they even comparable?
How are they even comparable?
I swear the TYT hate here is mostly unwarranted and they're almost like polar opposites to the alt right.
They're extremely critical of the Dem Establishment (which is good) and have a bias for Sanders (which they admit to)
How are they even comparable?
I swear the TYT hate here is mostly unwarranted and they're almost like polar opposites to the alt right.
They're extremely critical of the Dem Establishment (which is good) and have a bias for Sanders (which they admit to)
Aside from that, and their founder's horrible blog posts from last decade, I'm having a hard time remembering their negative contributions to the political landscape.
Trump is going to start by attacking the former rnc chair, Steele. Then getting t to follow up with attacks on pelosi. But not before more racist spittle towards the squad and more!I wonder what kind of crazy shit will go down today. Have a feeling Trump will somehow ratchet everything up even more.
I wonder what kind of crazy shit will go down today. Have a feeling Trump will somehow ratchet everything up even more.