Anti-intellectualism unfortunately isn't limited to the right, though thankfully it's asymmetrical in scope.lol no they're not. Elites are the ones who hold power and the professions you named don't really hold power.
Anti-intellectualism unfortunately isn't limited to the right, though thankfully it's asymmetrical in scope.lol no they're not. Elites are the ones who hold power and the professions you named don't really hold power.
But what does that have to do with elites?Anti-intellectualism unfortunately isn't limited to the right, though thankfully it's asymmetrical in scope.
I'm also amused Bill Kristin thinks Romney would back the logical conclusion to his statement
I'm calling him Bill Kristin from now on.
Angelica Ross Leaves Twitter after abuse from Trump and Bernie Supporters
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I'm sure it's a coincidence both groups keep going after women of color.
Do you really think that people mean only rich people when they invoke "elites"? Because that's not how it plays out- people are often very much talking about elites outside of raw net worth. It's why you'll see it invoked w/ right wing populists as well. It's the "We've had enough of those stuffy pilots sneering down at us, who thinks I should fly this plane!" thing.
So you think leftists are talking about the same people as the right wing when they say elites? No wonder you hate them so much.Do you really think that people mean only rich people when they invoke "elites"? Because that's not how it plays out- people are often very much talking about elites outside of raw net worth. It's why you'll see it invoked w/ right wing populists as well. It's the "We've had enough of those stuffy pilots sneering down at us, who thinks I should fly this plane!" thing.
Are you confusing left-wing critiques of the elite with right-wing rhetoric? Because when I see leftists and even liberals talk about elites, they are very much speaking about rich people wielding their wealth as a means to keep people in their place via economic strife. They're talking about oil executives holding dinners for candidates. They're talking about lobbyists who convince politicians to do things that won't help the people. When Bernie criticizes the elite do you really think he's talking about it in the way right-wing populists do it?Do you really think that people mean only rich people when they invoke "elites"? Because that's not how it plays out- people are often very much talking about elites outside of raw net worth. It's why you'll see it invoked w/ right wing populists as well. It's the "We've had enough of those stuffy pilots sneering down at us, who thinks I should fly this plane!" thing.
Why, I think you may have something there. Elite has been used as a label across every society in every time. It's not exclusive.is someone who has been a part of the ruling body of the largest empire the world has ever seen for literally decades considered an elite
Those are some real milquetoast tweets from the Bernie supporters. Pretty tiring to see disagreements labeled as harassment. Twitter is a public platform.
yes? being part of the ruling body ofc makes you a lot of money and gives you power beyond the average citizenis someone who has been a part of the ruling body of the largest empire the world has ever seen for literally decades considered an elite
Huh. I find it tiring to see a top five candidate skip a historic town hall on the LGBTQ community then for their campaign and supporters to be anything but contrite about it.Those are some real milquetoast tweets from the Bernie supporters. Pretty tiring to see disagreements labeled as harassment. Twitter is a public platform.
is someone who has been a part of the ruling body of the largest empire the world has ever seen for literally decades considered an elite
Those are some real milquetoast tweets from the Bernie supporters. Pretty tiring to see disagreements labeled as harassment. Twitter is a public platform.
Both. Both LGBT town halls. Not just one. Both. One of which was announced in like March.Huh. I find it tiring to see a top five candidate skip a historic town hall on the LGBTQ community then for their campaign and supporters to be anything but contrite about it.
Jeb Budshn?
I think you mean two best future presidents.
I haven't laughed this much in a while 😂
Now I'm trying to imagine every vote in Congress as a secret ballot.Tbh if there was a secret ballot to convict Trump I could see Romney turning him out.
But alas.
I'm trying to give them room to change course and actually show up to the October one.Both. Both LGBT town halls. Not just one. Both. One of which was announced in like March.
You way nicer than me. :PI'm trying to give them room to change course and actually show up to the October one.
While I love piling on Bernie, I do wonder why his supporters are so quick to show themselves at the detriment to his campaign.Also, did we already forget that Bernie's campaign already had to have this talk with their supporters like four times this cycle already? Including this week when Black Progressive leaders had to write him and ask him to tell his people to stop attacking people of color over the WFP endorsement? Once is an instance, twice is a hobby.
When he hires a guy like David Sirota who's spent his entire career attacking the truth, and when he repeatedly just refuses to actually adapt? I'm not sure. That stubbornness you may like about him is something I view with massive amounts of unease.Are you confusing left-wing critiques of the elite with right-wing rhetoric? Because when I see leftists and even liberals talk about elites, they are very much speaking about rich people wielding their wealth as a means to keep people in their place via economic strife. They're talking about oil executives holding dinners for candidates. They're talking about lobbyists who convince politicians to do things that won't help the people. When Bernie criticizes the elite do you really think he's talking about it in the way right-wing populists do it?
Because "burn it all down"-type, faux intellectual leftists are usually assholes.While I love piling on Bernie, I do wonder why his supporters are so quick to show themselves at the detriment to his campaign.
Lol, so again. It was announced in March. Pretty much the only reason someone would have a scheduling clash... Is if it was intentional.I'm trying to give them room to change course and actually show up to the October one.
I think it's just a lot of them are young. A lot of them are male (not all!). A lot of them are so absolutely sure that ~identity politics~ is going to get in the way of their glorious revolution. They're mostly incredibly online. And, honestly, Bernie did very ltitel to try to control them previously, because it was advantageous. Then he surrounds himself with staffers who literally do some of the same shit, and it makes it real hard for him to take the moral high ground on this stuff. Plus, for some (again some! not all!) their entire world view is centered on the supposition that Bernie's ideology is 100% infallibly perfect. And it's easier to double down on being bad than to being realistic about where your candidate's campaign is maybe going off the rails. It's tribalism which everyone is guilty of...just some are louder at it than others.While I love piling on Bernie, I do wonder why his supporters are so quick to show themselves at the detriment to his campaign.
You really think Bernie could possibly be attacking elites from the right? Well that explains a lot.When he hires a guy like David Sirota who's spent his entire career attacking the truth, and when he repeatedly just refuses to actually adapt? I'm not sure. That stubbornness you may like about him is something I view with massive amounts of unease.
I'm not conflating the rhetoric, Economic data, polling numbers, etc.- when you see people repeatedly going after stuff like this alarm bells go off.
If someone told you to fuck off and that you were dumb for being a Bernie or Buster I guess that would just be disagreements.
No, I'm saying Bernie has a habit of surrounding himself with people who attack others when they say things they don't like. And no I'm not talking about wealthy people because I could give a shit about the implications there, if it were limited to that definition I wouldn't be concerned.You really think Bernie could possibly be attacking elites from the right? Well that explains a lot.
You keep trying to shift from the actual elites, the ones who hold power in our capitalist system, and making it about data.
lol no they're not. Elites are the ones who hold power and the professions you named don't really hold power.
But it is limited to that definition from a leftist and even liberal standpoint. Wealthy people have an inordinate amount of power in this system and their interests are no aligned with the interests of working people.And no I'm not talking about wealthy people because I could give a shit about the implications there, if it were limited to that definition I wouldn't be concerned.
It does not matter what it says from a liberal/left standpoint when people don't break evenly on left/right axes and you get chucklefucks like Michael Tracey and co. The word's got multiple shadings and the easiest way to avoid issues is to just not use it.But it is limited to that definition from a leftist and even liberal standpoint. Wealthy people have an inordinate amount of power in this system and their interests are no aligned with the interests of working people.
But, I see that you don't care about that which is why you don't consider them to be bad. We have a clear ideological difference here.
Or like when Bernie supporters told a rape victim they were glad she got raped? Or called POC who dont' support him "Uncle Toms" Or a million other racially and sexually charged attacks that seem to ONLY come from this one specific campaign?
I have never in my 32 years on this earth been lectured by supporters of another candidate like I was Bernies. I had straight bros lecture me on how I was a traitor to LGBT folks because I didn't support their guy. Never. Not once. Not even in the most acrimonious part of the 2008 primary. And it keeps happening! So at a certain point, folks need to have a come to Jesus moment that maybe the problem starts at the top. There's no reason this shit keeps happening, and it's damaging as hell to his chances of getting the nomination. There's a reason folks aren't considering him.
Edit: In fairness, Yang has some trash supporters too but their just 4chan loons who will crawl back under a rock after this whole thing is over.
Gray's profile name says "Residue". Come on.How do you know they were Bernie Supporters in an age where trolling exists and foreign interference campaigns still exist?
It makes sense for foreign governments to continue to foment distrust and hate between various candidate's fanbase.
And I've seen absolute abuse coming from people towards Sanders supporters. They're from Warren or Harris base and are #stillwithher.
How do you know they were Warren or Harris Supporters in an age where trolling exists and foreign interference campaigns still exist?And I've seen absolute abuse coming from people towards Sanders supporters. They're from Warren or Harris base and are #stillwithher.
How do you know they were Warren or Harris Supporters in an age where trolling exists and foreign interference campaigns still exist?
So would you not agree that telling calling someone dishonest, biased or uninformed for raising valid criticism is not a good look? Like instead of acknowledging your candidate's possible issues, just attacking someone else is not cute.
How do you know they were Bernie Supporters in an age where trolling exists and foreign interference campaigns still exist?
It makes sense for foreign governments to continue to foment distrust and hate between various candidate's fanbase.
And I've seen absolute abuse coming from people towards Sanders supporters. They're from Warren or Harris base and are #stillwithher.
Accurate.
So, the people that literally called me a traitor to LGBT folks were in person. In my face yeling at me when my husband and I were out in pubic, so you know...I know. lol
But, ya, just a joke! Just a foreign op! And I have literally never seen a Warren supporter attempt to get people's personal shit on twitter. Or text people that they're glad they got raped. I have never seen another candidate receive a letter from folks asking them to remind their supporters to stop with the harassment. So nice straw man.