I can see "he doesn't know who HW is, or else he wouldn;'t've quoted him. let's help him out" could be read as doxxing HW.
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT 2| Dershowitz says "Quid Pro Quo on the Go?" [See Staff Post]
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I can see "he doesn't know who HW is, or else he wouldn;'t've quoted him. let's help him out" could be read as doxxing HW.
Liz fucking Bloomberg up is pretty much my last hope for her clawing her campaign back into this, really hoping she wrecks his shit and gets a bump.
Or maybe the internet is a big place and you could just link to the thing you're talking about to be clear?
Good point. Had not thought of this, but she should be able to eat that fucker for lunch.
His press secretary also voted for a literal Russian asset.
And of course Sirota was attacking other candidates in multiple news outlets without disclosing he was working on Bernard's campaign at the time of the attacks:
www.theatlantic.com
Really ethical people he hired.
Do you need more? Again, it's fine if you want to vote for him, but don't pretend there isn't any rot in his campaign that he has completely and utterly ignored.
And of course Sirota was attacking other candidates in multiple news outlets without disclosing he was working on Bernard's campaign at the time of the attacks:
Bernie Sanders Just Hired His Twitter Attack Dog
David Sirota had been working unofficially for Sanders while savaging the other Democratic candidates on Twitter.
www.theatlantic.com
Really ethical people he hired.
Do you need more? Again, it's fine if you want to vote for him, but don't pretend there isn't any rot in his campaign that he has completely and utterly ignored.
Without endorsing a candidate it can be harder for trade orgs and unions to generate new voter registrations, which are always needed to help state parties no matter the candidate.
Between the culinary union and Sanders it's even more of an uphill climb, when this is part of their history:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/sanders-staffers-posed-as-union-members-in-vegas-218351
"Campaign staffers for Sen. Bernie Sanders donned union pins to gain access to worker dining rooms in Las Vegas, the powerful Culinary Workers union said Thursday.
"We can confirm multiple reports of Bernie Sanders' campaign staffers attempting and gaining access to employee dining rooms at Las Vegas Strip properties where over 57,000 members that we represent work," said Geoconda Arguello-Kline, Culinary Workers Union Local 226 secretary-treasurer.
Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver confirmed the action and offered an apology."
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"The union backed Barack Obama over Clinton in the Democratic primary in an acrimonious battle still fresh in the mind of Nevada Democrats, and it remains a major source of voter mobilization in the state. The union plans to register 10,000 more of its union members to vote in the next six months, it has said. "
Between the culinary union and Sanders it's even more of an uphill climb, when this is part of their history:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/sanders-staffers-posed-as-union-members-in-vegas-218351
"Campaign staffers for Sen. Bernie Sanders donned union pins to gain access to worker dining rooms in Las Vegas, the powerful Culinary Workers union said Thursday.
"We can confirm multiple reports of Bernie Sanders' campaign staffers attempting and gaining access to employee dining rooms at Las Vegas Strip properties where over 57,000 members that we represent work," said Geoconda Arguello-Kline, Culinary Workers Union Local 226 secretary-treasurer.
Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver confirmed the action and offered an apology."
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"The union backed Barack Obama over Clinton in the Democratic primary in an acrimonious battle still fresh in the mind of Nevada Democrats, and it remains a major source of voter mobilization in the state. The union plans to register 10,000 more of its union members to vote in the next six months, it has said. "
Right, because looking up overblown twitter drama is a great use of one's time.
I find it hard to believe anyone who follows Bernie closely is not aware of any of situations surrounding the venom that is commonly associated with his campaign.
I really don't see that as doxxing. She seems to be talking about Hoarse Whisperer's public persona, how they talk and act and present themselves on twitter, not calling to have their name and address literally broadcast online.
And I'm saying that I did and didn't find that tweet. I googled "Bernie Sanders Press Secretary Controversy" "Briahna Joy Gray Controversy" "Sanders Press Secretary Controversy" None of that led me to that tweet or anything really. Most were live interviews reacting to the last two primaries. It's really hard to educate yourself if there isn't a starting point and clearly "See what his press secretary has done" didn't give me anything.
There's no viable path for her anymore.
Taking down Bloomberg will help Biden and/or Pete (and us all, to get Bloomberg out of the race). Her trajectory can't really be reversed at this point.
His press secretary also voted for a literal Russian asset.
And of course Sirota was attacking other candidates in multiple news outlets without disclosing he was working on Bernard's campaign at the time of the attacks:
Bernie Sanders Just Hired His Twitter Attack Dog
David Sirota had been working unofficially for Sanders while savaging the other Democratic candidates on Twitter.
Really ethical people he hired.
Do you need more?
Why does her vote for Jill Stein matter at all?
Yeah, that's why I was reluctant to post a link, but I figured I'd be charitable and at least do so to show I'm not posting in bad faith here.
Once again, you should know better than to think this is acceptable for an argument or a discussion. If you make a serious claim, the onus is on you to provide evidence to back your claim up.
Think about it this way. Let's say I show up in a thread saying "Hey everyone, the DNC funneled 200 million dollars directly into Beto's bank account so he could rejoin the race. Isn't that terrible of them?" I think it'd be pretty fair for people to expect me to actually provide a source. If, instead, I go "I'm not doing your research for you. Just look it up!" that would be pretty intellectually dishonest, and no good discussion could possibly come from that regardless of whether the claim is true or false.
While I'm glad Warren and others will be going all in on Bloomberg, part of me wonders if people still care as much about stuff like that as much as they used to. I look at Trump, Governor Northam, and many others who have said and done horrible stuff, and people just kind of shrug it off nowadays.
My concern is that it becomes a repeat of what happened with Hillary and Trump. She was an much better debater than he was. She and others focused on how heinous he is, while he just kept pumping out his message and saying how he's not Hillary. We saw how that played out. Part of Bloomberg's appeal to a lot of people is in an election of anger against Trump, he's not bothering with engaging with other Dem nominees. He's just focusing on engaging and beating Trump.
Or to say, I don't think everyone trying to tear him down during the debate is going to be some magical cureall that ends it right there. I don't think it'll be that simple.
My concern is that it becomes a repeat of what happened with Hillary and Trump. She was an much better debater than he was. She and others focused on how heinous he is, while he just kept pumping out his message and saying how he's not Hillary. We saw how that played out. Part of Bloomberg's appeal to a lot of people is in an election of anger against Trump, he's not bothering with engaging with other Dem nominees. He's just focusing on engaging and beating Trump.
Or to say, I don't think everyone trying to tear him down during the debate is going to be some magical cureall that ends it right there. I don't think it'll be that simple.
If I'm a Senate candidate this fall, cut this for an ad and put Mitch aside with the incumbent ie Collins, Tillis, McSally and people will vote against the incumbent due to Mitch.
Most people do not have intricate knowledge of years of tweets, no.
His press secretary also voted for a literal Russian asset.
And of course Sirota was attacking other candidates in multiple news outlets without disclosing he was working on Bernard's campaign at the time of the attacks:
Bernie Sanders Just Hired His Twitter Attack Dog
David Sirota had been working unofficially for Sanders while savaging the other Democratic candidates on Twitter.
Really ethical people he hired.
Do you need more? Again, it's fine if you want to vote for him, but don't pretend there isn't any rot in his campaign that he has completely and utterly ignored.
And AGAIN I have been doing what you said to do. I have been looking. But you have not been clear than are attacking me and others for "not doing the research". This is ridiculous!
Robert Costa on Twitter
“Trump allies take aim at Buttigieg's sexuality... https://t.co/u9PnYmw1ca”
twitter.com
The general electorate probably won't give a fuck, but it will still entertain us folks at least.
I don't know what else to tell you.
You'd say there isn't a reputation of toxicity that surrounds his campaign?
I didn't even see this posted because it was edited, but thank you for providing what you two were talking about. It's incredibly bad form to make a claim and demand someone else to provide evidence to back it.
This is not something that is widely known in politics, as most people don't even know who the hell Briahna Joy Gray is. I do, but I had never heard of this controversy. I am not 100% on Twitter all the time, and this is not a commonly known controversy from what I can see.
Looking at that tweet and reading her follow up tweets, it looks like she fucked up with some really poor wording. She expresses that she would never encourage doxxing and that she was calling into question the tweets themselves, not the identity of the HW.
I have never once argued that Sanders is infallible or has run a perfect campaign. I don't agree with everything Sanders has said and done, just like literally anyone else who has run for office.
This entire thing started because people were heavily implying that Sanders actually wants people to harass others online for his benefit. We have no evidence whatsoever of this, and much more on the contrary, if you look at Sanders' character.
Hoarse whisperer isn't some innocent account.
It's ironically one of those extremely toxic people that some are decrying.
He has proudly stated his lobbying and company connections.
If you don't want to be charitable you can say that Bree was encouraging doxxing, but that information was floating out there already.
It's ironically one of those extremely toxic people that some are decrying.
He has proudly stated his lobbying and company connections.
If you don't want to be charitable you can say that Bree was encouraging doxxing, but that information was floating out there already.
It's not that it's unequivocally a call for someone to be doxxed, it's that it can be read that way, and people should be careful about that sort of shit.
He doesn't work for a campaign. His actions don't reflect on anyone but himself.
The problem is that he hires people who do and does nothing about it. It's implied that he doesn't really give a shit if they do. Actions speak louder than words. If he viewed it as a serious problem, they would not be on his staff.
I'd argue he surrounds himself with passionate and unrestrained activists who are fighting for the causes they believe in.
I don't know what this means. Obama has a reputation for being a Muslim and also a communist. Reputations are just pictures other people have painted of you.
Obviously Obama isn't a Muslim or socialist, Republicans are just demented
I agree that it can be read that way and that she should have been more careful. I think the problem here is that people who already have an axe to grind are looking for the most uncharitable possible interpretations to justify them having an axe to grind in the first place.
I think this is a great point.
It means she's an performative, untrustworthy idiot. She wasn't some casual, low information voter. She was a politico four years ago. She knew what was at stake and she decided to play games and scream "fuck the establishment" to the very end.
Maybe if someone googles shit and comes up empty, don't start going "well look how uninformed and lazy those Sanders supporters are" as a rebuttal! This is ridiculous!
But this entire point started from saying that his Press Secretary Doxxed and Harrassed people online! And then makes that one tweet and nothing else! And is parading in this thread about us not willing to do the effort! This is crazy! Not to mention that at best that is a "you should be more careful in your wording" than a "Hey everyone dox this person!" tweet!
It sounds like Joy made a mistake and apologized for wording that made it seem like she was encouraging doxxing when she actually wasn't. I haven't seen evidence that Sanders' staff harasses people and that he actually encourages it to happen. Or that he encourages people online to engage in harassing others.
He denounced said harassing and said he doesn't consider them a part of the movement.
They can be both passionate and selfish.
The example above for a vote for Stein is pretty good. Sanders himself endorsed Clinton after she won the primary.
Thanks for the Trump vote, Briahna.
And that's awesome. I fully support protest votes if you live in a hard blue area. As long as she voted properly for the local and state candidates, it's all gravy.
She lives in NY. She can have a little protest vote, as a treat.
I guess the question is, how many people have Warren or Pete or Amy's press secretary even gotten close to appearing to suggest they be doxxed?
She protest voted...in a deep blue state. Also, the Stein thing was brought up when the poster in question was asked to provide evidence that Sanders' staff called on people to dox and harass, so it's not only a bad point, but one that was not even relevant.
This is nutty.
Very ridiculous, I agree.
Did you not read my post? Actions speak louder than words. His campaign staff harasses people. That isn't an opinion- see the article I posted about Sirota above. Y'all are splitting hairs about Bri, but she's not the only one. And yet he continues to employ both while he claims that harassers aren't part of his movement. AND YET THEY ARE OFFICIALLY PAID MEMBERS OF HIS CAMPAIGN!
Y'know what, I think I'm done, because this thread has been derailed enough. I shouldn't have even bothered to engage because lord knows I usually scroll right past this kind of fighting when I'm catching up on this thread.
...Is this the road you want to go down? Because I don't think you want to compare the morality and civility of campaigns while invoking Pete Buttigieg or Amy Klobuchar. I think this is you being silly, and you may have not thought this one through.
Public voices reach across the nation, though.
I'm on the Bernie boat - I just have a hangup with some of his closest allies.
Regardless, I'm glad she works hard for his campaign.
You said Press Secretary, so I looked up the Press Secretary. You don't then get to go "Well actually I meant this other person too and why didn't you know about it?"
The thing is, people tell us that Bernie's different, that he's special, he's not the usual sort of politician. So, people are being told to expect better out of him. I wasn't saying that Amy or Pete are better people, and I probably shouldn't've mentioned them, just that I was trying to list people who were campaigning for the democratic primary, rather than saying "these are people who are better than bernie." I apologize.
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