Wasn't Newt pretty much kicked out the party for not being radicle enough?
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I looked forever for an ideal work from home position, but decided it was futile and settled for an office like most other people. Now it's looking to be somewhat likely that I could be working from home indefinitely. It's some sick irony that it took a pandemic to make this more of a possibility than even before.
Umm is that Charlie Kirk op-ed real? What the fuck?
um lol one of these isn't like the others
Will Sanders drop out after this debate? At this point it's redundant and holding large gatherings of old people seems like a public health hazard.
No.
If he was going to drop out why have the debate to begin with?
The hardship exemption is a loophole you can drive a truck through. Why not reverse it?
The problem with folks being all "We should have just let the GOP vote against it then!" is....they would have. You cannot negotiate with them. You get the best you can get when we have to deal with them, and then we vote the fuckers out. Something is better than nothing, and when the other side is totally happy with nothing...you get what you can where you can.
Aloha means no.
I don't want to do too much Monday morning qaurterbacking, but I am not sure I understand the strategy here.
LOL no.
Biden will still sweep on Tuesday. Fewer olds will vote, but more of them will still vote than the youngs, whose turnout will also be down. Sanders's campaign ended two weeks ago. Now we just see a slow-motion demise as a selfish old man prolongs an election in the face of a pandemic.
I'm interested to see how far down turnout will be. Olds early vote. Ohio and Florida both have robust early voting. I honestly don't know anyone who hasn't already voted (that is going to vote.) I'm very happy my sorta 19 year old son decided to vote for Biden. He was thinking about Bernie and I was going to let it slide because we all did crazy things in our 20s.....but he's in school for nursing and he's livid about pretending this thing isn't over in the face of a public health crisis.
So, everyone in my house who can legally vote voted for Biden.
Yeah, weird federal paid sick leave is better than the no sick leave (not now, not ever) that was the alternative option.
You cannot shame the Republicans or the president into doing what you want. House Republicans have no incentive to yield (because we can safely pass legislation without them), and the president simply doesn't give a shit about anything but himself.
If the language in the bill means that the public health emergency supersedes the limitations (meaning they won't apply to COVID-19), then I think it's a good start, and it's not worth killing the whole bill just to try to get a permanent sick leave law when the crisis is already upon us.
You cannot shame the Republicans or the president into doing what you want. House Republicans have no incentive to yield (because we can safely pass legislation without them), and the president simply doesn't give a shit about anything but himself.
If the language in the bill means that the public health emergency supersedes the limitations (meaning they won't apply to COVID-19), then I think it's a good start, and it's not worth killing the whole bill just to try to get a permanent sick leave law when the crisis is already upon us.
I actually don't think turnout will be bad in AZ because they mostly vote by mail, and as you say, OH and FL have a lot of early voting. I'd imagine lower but decent, considering the circumstances.
I have no clue about IL. I just know that Biden will pretty likely sweep.
Sorry, I meant to copy it. It was saying that something like half the cases in French ICU are under 60.
And we'll have to pretend for another 4 months that this whole thing isn't over because we can't hurt Bernie's fee-fees for some reason.
Honestly, I want the Dem party to come out after Tuesday, and be like "It's done. No more debates. Fuck this." If the man won't go away with some dignity, we can at least make him just go away.
No worries! Just trying to catch up on things and it sounded scary. That's not great.
From what I read in the other thread, it had some incorrect info. Namely, that it wasn't statistically just the French ICU they were discussing.
Bernie should drop out but I think it's weird for Hillary stans to be angry about it considering she invented staying in till the bitter end.
I know you're going to use coronavirus as a reason for why it's different but y'all complained the same way in 2016 too. 🤔
I know you're going to use coronavirus as a reason for why it's different but y'all complained the same way in 2016 too. 🤔
Those specific Hillary stans are 2008 stans. I stood in the Idaho Caucus for Obama screaming at those awful horrible Hillary supporters, and was horrified when she wouldn't drop out, especially when she compared Obama to RFK, and then in 2016 I was 'With Her' fully and equally horrified at the Bernie people not accepting defeat. I think you can be a Hillary supporter and against staying in the race after you've been eliminated without any inconsistencies.
Hillary should have dropped out earlier in 2008 when it became mathematical improbability/impossibility.
Same with Sanders 2016 and 2020.
Same with Sanders 2016 and 2020.
I mean, sure. Hillary should have dropped out in 2008. And? Two wrongs don't make a right, and nor was Hillary ever behind by the margins Bernie is/will be behind after Tuesday. Every critique of Bernie always boils down to "Well what about XYZ." And I do think it's massively different to campaign when we have a literal state of emergency in nearly every state, where governors are asking people to minimize social interactions as much as possible.
I'm not excusing Bernie, I'm just calling you out having it both ways. 😛
The fact that anything at all was passed is nothing short of a miracle...
... But they aren't having it both ways.
Alternative was literally nothing or tax cuts, as is the Republican way.
Bruh it's Adam, I love him but don't you tell me he wasn't fine with Hillary staying in the race way past reasonability in '08!
Again, Bernie should drop out. But those with glass houses...
But...we're not? I'm literally saying, yes, Hillary should have dropped out earlier. Once it's not possible to win, you should stop. It's silly and a waste of everyone's time. Also, if you check the record, I actually never said, in 2016, Bernie should drop out for the specific reason you mentioned. We cannot pretend, though, that this situation isn't totally 100% different. (That's not even keeping into account that 2008 was actually close, whereas 2016 and 2020 definitely weren't.) Best case for Bernie, he's down 250-300 delegates after Tuesday. There is a pandemic. States are canceling elections. This is dangerous at this point. We can't look at this in a vaccum or make assumptions about what someone did or didn't support in 2008.
Fuck you Sen Asshole.
Luckily and coincidentally, our spring break fell on this upcoming week. I have a hunch the break might be extended for another week after it.
I think most places that had spring break this week are just extending that break another week or two. Convenient timing for sure.
We got to expect more from Congress, we really really do, we need to.
And if nothing else, we can't be celebrating this type as this amazing win for working people, even without those giant loopholes it falls massively short from what this country needs right now.
If that's a stopgap than fine, but get back right now and try to pass something on top that. The country needs a whole lot more support from the federal government.
you are aware there are 2 parties and 1 is unwilling to govern even minimally
Consider that this is something that needs to get past McConnell, and might not even do that, it is a miracle we got anything in a positive direction. Dems don't control government right now.
Hillary dropped out 4 days too late.
Sanders made her look like the Flash.
So Sanders would have to win, like, 65% of the remaining vote to take the lead.
Not very likely.
Also, Obama had a delegate lead of like 64 at the end of the thing. If Florida could have been counted, I think there's an outside chance Hillary gets close enough.
what's going on? I know AOC is dressing down some ICE thugs?
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