Yep, that's the one.
One of the challenges w/ COVID is that science and technology right now doesn't have all the answers. It has enough to be a basis of policy, but we're largely used to it being effectively omniscient.
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US PoliEra 2020 |OT5| Guidance recommends quarantining PoliERA
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Yep, that's the one.
One of the challenges w/ COVID is that science and technology right now doesn't have all the answers. It has enough to be a basis of policy, but we're largely used to it being effectively omniscient.
Sure, this is another possibility. I think AnotherNils is more charitable than I might be about it, though. I think quite a bit of it is performative and some of it is for purposes of just being shitty to people online except with a veneer of decency wrapped around it so that it's harder to call out.
This is how I feel. The permanent ban of kirblar was the canary in the coal mine. This forum has been overrun by toxic posters and the admins have actively encouraged it.
That's the only way to do it. There are so many people on era that the best I can tell are trolls, so I ignore them. I must have 30 people on my ignore list.
I'm suuuuuuuuuper bad at change so this, like, breaks my brain. No interest in leaving but, like, I don't want to miss out on posting wisdom. Actually, I'd thought I had the discord, but upon loading it I have zero servers. Oops. Ooh, is there some kind of lurker account credentials?
There's no reason this community needs to die, but lord knows I'm not contributing much insightful content so I'ma need some help.
There's no reason this community needs to die, but lord knows I'm not contributing much insightful content so I'ma need some help.
Pretty much. We should have seen this coming when OP instructions started including warnings to not talk about OT and we largely started to pretend it doesn't exist.
Even if it were to be 100% genuine. I know that my own integrity is worth sacrificing for even one of Trumps rampages let alone the several that have happened. and Honestly I think I actually can be a little short with you if you seem to think that the selfish one is me.
On a side note: To all the lurkers be respectful but post what you think about the situation if you want to. Its a shame people cant post around here because they want to win an election and feel that they cant express it. This place doesnt have to be a lost cause. Communities can grow.
I don't know what lead to Kir getting permed but any community that doesn't want him probably doesn't want me either.
A game I like to play is to see what % of your ignore list is banned. If you have a high percentage, you have great taste!
I have been unemployed for the last month and have plenty of time, so if anyone would like to ask or discuss, moderators included, in DM, feel free to do so, so long as it is not harassment, though I should warn you, if it is, I'm going to dunk on you. :)
Yeah Kirblar getting perma'd blew my mind. Dude has made nothing but reasonable posts his entire time here.
But what do you expect? The head admin of the forum is admitting in this thread that he's scared to share his opinions. It's the environment that moderators have fostered.
Man, I've been around since the PoliGAF days and would greatly appreciate another invite to the discord
Wouldn't want to accidentally make it look like you were generalizing the Chinese people or anything, now would we?
TBH, at this point, I just ignore antagonistic posters and threads (such as the Biden ad one) and my browsing experience has been much better. It sucks to see so many regulars leaving - as has been mentioned, I used them as a source of information (particularly since almost all political sub reddits have seemed to be overtaken by bad faith posters).
I mentioned double standards with regards to PoliEra posters before, and here's a great example:
Frankish said there are some people on Era who aren't arguing in good faith. Despite clarifying that they weren't talking about everybody who has problems with Biden, they got a 1 week ban.
1 page later, Poodlestrike posted this:
The bold part is an acknowledgement of the same trend that Frankish ate a ban for pointing out. Why is that point unreasonable when it comes from one poster but not the other? Where's the consistency?
Frankish said there are some people on Era who aren't arguing in good faith. Despite clarifying that they weren't talking about everybody who has problems with Biden, they got a 1 week ban.
1 page later, Poodlestrike posted this:
The bold part is an acknowledgement of the same trend that Frankish ate a ban for pointing out. Why is that point unreasonable when it comes from one poster but not the other? Where's the consistency?
Despite his tendency towards contrarian viewpoints he was a great debater that brought a lot to this forum. It is absurd that someone as talented as he was at spurring discussion was banned. It was a horrible decision that reflects very poorly on this community.
I hope posters stay, at least in this thread. I've definitely had to use the ignore feature for the first time on here, so I can understand the frustration with OT. I'm not really sure what the best way to moderate it is but I think there's several posters in OT who are trying to be inflammatory as possible in their language and how they frame things. Obviously people are going to respond in turn to that.
The goal should be to have respectful discussion. It should not be trying to make people as pissed off as possible. And there ought to be enough room for people to ask questions and learn why people believe the things they do and to give an opinion on an issue/situation.
The goal should be to have respectful discussion. It should not be trying to make people as pissed off as possible. And there ought to be enough room for people to ask questions and learn why people believe the things they do and to give an opinion on an issue/situation.
I really think we shoudl air our grievances with the mod team as a community. There has to be guidlines when it comes to how we talk about the election. We have to be allowed to support our candidate despite his flaws and for it to not be seen as an attack on others.
Absolutely. I do wonder, genuinely, about people who do argue that their integrity is more important than making sure to beat Trump. There has to be some privilege there, even if one is a minority who is at more risk than others. One must feel as though they'll make it out okay if Trump wins again.
I think I'd probably survive - I live in a D-D-D state that is going to be D-D-D after the election, probably, and even though I'm black, I am in a position where I'm probably not going to have my life destroyed in the next four years, though with Trump and the GOP in charge, anything is possible.
But Trump and the GOP running things is unacceptable. I don't get people who don't find that to be totally unacceptable, or who find something else MORE unacceptable than that, particularly when the "MORE unacceptable" thing is Joe fucking Biden.
To say this is not a defense of Joe Biden as a person, and I wish that people would stop making that claim or acting/responding as if such a claim were naturally true of someone who put getting rid of Trump over other (often important!) things.
User banned (1 week): inappropriate armchair diagnosis
I think both you and HotHamBoy are onto something, and I agree that both explain many cases, but I think there's a third possibility as well:
Trauma-born response akin to BPD. And it manifests thusly:
1. Complete black or white thinking. Something is all good or all bad - no shades of gray.
2. A demand for validation - and emotional validation at that. Simple acknowledgement won't do - it has to be a response as drenched in emotion as their own. Anything else is a betrayal.
3. A focus on one's individual pain as opposed to what is best for other survivors/members of the group. The group can be invoked, but only as an appeal for personal sympathy (ie "Think of how this hurts me as ____" as opposed to "I know how hard this is on my fellow _____."
I think Northam remains a good comp. Did I want him to resign? Yes. Would I have voted for him if I needed to? Yes. Will I forgive him for the past stuff? No. Does it matter if I forgive him? No. Is he passing good policy? Yes.
Okay.
I don't get too entrenched with loving politicians. Liz is about as close as I get to idolizing someone, but even then, it's more just because I like pragmatist approach in her, but still I recognize she's a politician. It doesn't make me feel "good" to vote for someone basically. I understand that's what gets many to polls, but it's not part of the equation for me.
Okay.
I don't get too entrenched with loving politicians. Liz is about as close as I get to idolizing someone, but even then, it's more just because I like pragmatist approach in her, but still I recognize she's a politician. It doesn't make me feel "good" to vote for someone basically. I understand that's what gets many to polls, but it's not part of the equation for me.
I think a lot of people genuinely think they are selfless because they see the aspect of total justice as the destinationt hat benefits everyone. What they dont realize is all of the injustice that the path is paved with when we have a system that makes that road next to impossible.
I wanted to sit out the discourse in here and let regulars figure out what they wanted to do but this is totally over the line
I thought and would hope that this forum stays firm against the practice of using people's 'mental health' to diagnose political persuasions
Can I get in on this discord invite, please? I have Discord but have never actually used it, so I'll likely just lurk as much there as I do here.
They just switched to "senile" and suddenly, it was okay again.
It's a shame what's happening to this place. Not the biggest fan of Discord, but I'll manage. OT is actually ok, except when it comes to political discussions.
Poor Midnight Jon. I hope he isn't the only one in charge with Discord invites.
Poor Midnight Jon. I hope he isn't the only one in charge with Discord invites.
Absolutely amazing post!
Fuck knows I'm mostly a lurker but the moderation on this forum has seemed... uneven for a while. When you have posts like this by a Moderator in the OT it makes it seem like there's no room for nuanced discussion.
I've appreciated the level of discourse in these threads since the GAF days, and I have no idea how I would keep up with the news without them. I sent Midnight Jon a DM, but if I could get a discord invite when people have time I would apricate being able to include it in my lurking.
Yes my theory is predicated on good faith reluctance and not typical internet asshattery.
Yeah, I don't recall have no issues with the guy, but I try to be easy going and don't pay close attention as it is. Problem is for me to have an opinion the matter would require delving into what feels like internet drama and risking stepping on toes of the moderation team. I don't have the time for that, let alone during a pandemic where I had to stop reading the news because I was living at a level of anxiety that made it feel like some one had a grip on my trachea 24/7
Virginia is like the ur-example of what you can do with a D Trifecta led by a problematic, center-left executive and its like heaven compared to what we have for a federal government right now. I would be legit excited to have something like that, and it bums me out that so many are apt to let "perfect be the enemy of good/great" :(
Mostly that I didn't call 'em closet Trump voters. That's a much more serious accusation.
I apologize in advance for another repetitive post.
I've been lurking for several years, and the community here has been an incredible resource for me. I've shared posts with friends and family, learned a lot about politics in general and in specific areas, and have great respect for many people here. Many of those who have recently been banned or chosen to leave on their own. I can't really add anything Abstrusity didn't cover in their wonderful post, so I'll just link back to it instead.
I'll continue to keep a phone tab open here, but I would also appreciate a Discord invite. I understand the concerns of getting a huge influx of lurkers, and would be totally fine with a limited role, but I don't know where I'd go for the same level of intelligent, fun and interesting conversations.
I also want to say a general thanks to those who've been consistently active and involved here over the years. Thank you for teaching us, thank you for your time, your effort, your work, your wit. It hasn't gone unappreciated.
I've been lurking for several years, and the community here has been an incredible resource for me. I've shared posts with friends and family, learned a lot about politics in general and in specific areas, and have great respect for many people here. Many of those who have recently been banned or chosen to leave on their own. I can't really add anything Abstrusity didn't cover in their wonderful post, so I'll just link back to it instead.
I'll continue to keep a phone tab open here, but I would also appreciate a Discord invite. I understand the concerns of getting a huge influx of lurkers, and would be totally fine with a limited role, but I don't know where I'd go for the same level of intelligent, fun and interesting conversations.
I also want to say a general thanks to those who've been consistently active and involved here over the years. Thank you for teaching us, thank you for your time, your effort, your work, your wit. It hasn't gone unappreciated.
Same.
If y'all do go to discord send an invite my way please. I'll probably comment more knowing that there aren't trolls ban baiting. I was a Beto then Warren supporter and now tepid Biden supporter.
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