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[VGC] The entirety of Twitch has reportedly been leaked
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Interesting that Riot is on 75th with 36 millions $. why aren't they on the top
and I can see that Dan is doing fine but no data for Nextlander
I have watched a variety of streamers ranging from the huge to the small time over a period of years. Not once have I ever seen any of them actively seek out donations like you just described.
The Riot Games number is wrong because the original data had some cell shifts, their number is 1052571.76.
Your entire rhetoric is basically the 'we should improve society somewhat/yet you participate in society. Interesting!' kind of reasoning. The sort of 'any marginal action is useless if it isn't fundamentally restructuring society along a resolution of the biggest issue' take.
Don't dismiss peoples grievances with 99th percentile income earners making 20x+ the median. This is gross and applies to all industries. And especially don't dismiss how some might feel having donated to streamers that don't accurately represent their income.
There are far richer people who are also a bigger problem. All these things can be true simultaneously.
If twitch redirected some of these funds into bonuses or benefits for lower paid staff, that would be a positive, and could happen in parallel to a reduction in the share of revenue that is accrued by capital holders, for instance.
When treating a disease, often the symptoms are important both because they can be addressed in meaningful ways to the benefit of the patient, and because they can bring attention to more underlying issues.
But yes excuse me I'll get back to grasping at my straws.
Edit: Like seriously
Is a fine line away from 'You boycott Activision blizzard, but are still fine buying electronics made in subhuman conditions? What's the argument here?'. To the athlete point, people can imaginably be highly critical of athlete salaries. Is it surprising that a thread about twitch is talking about streamer salaries and not athlete salaries? Really?
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I have no hate for people making this money (unless we're talking about the people taking sponsors for gambling sites and stuff).
But a dude I watch on YouTube, which I think is his biggest platform, was laughing about how the internet thought he was a millionaire in a video a couple weeks ago, and now I'm pretty sure the dude is a millionaire lol. I know ultimately it's all their decisions but some transparency from these people that form the basis of these parasocial relationships would be nice, because I do think people should have the right to know they're "donating" to millionaires. Oh well.
But a dude I watch on YouTube, which I think is his biggest platform, was laughing about how the internet thought he was a millionaire in a video a couple weeks ago, and now I'm pretty sure the dude is a millionaire lol. I know ultimately it's all their decisions but some transparency from these people that form the basis of these parasocial relationships would be nice, because I do think people should have the right to know they're "donating" to millionaires. Oh well.
The nature and scope of the data points to it very unlikely that it was a hack by an outside party. It almost certainly had to be someone with access choosing to release it.
This list is exactly why I will never subscribe to big streamers. Twitch atleast allows me to put my money where my mouth is and sub to smaller streamers .
"Twitch streamers don't really ask for donations" is certainly an opinion one can have. Unless you're referring to them literally passing the plate, in which case you're right, and my metaphor was just a metaphor.
Requests and nudges can be made in ways other than explicit and incontrovertible verbal or written statements.
The one thing to note though is a ton of the bigger content creators aren't just one person anymore. It's the person on camera with people doing editing and other stuff for them, so they have employees to pay. A lot of them spend an absolute ton on just buying shit for content etc. their revenue could be around a mill but their actual "salary" can often be much lower.
Twitch can redirect THEIR side of the funds. They cannot and should not just unilaterally take the money that the streamers have earned and use it to pay their own employees. Twitch can pay their employees with their own money.
Yeah, I have definitely seen some big streamers who will pretty much ask for subs without 'asking for it'. Something along the lines of 'Thanks for all the subs guys, we are so close hitting that subgoal' . They are free to do that, but that is certainly a sales tactic that will draw quite a few people to subbing.
oh that make sense, and also just realized it's Riot a smash streamer, not Riot Games the developer.
Most of them aren't outright begging for it which is the general insinuation that's going around. With almost everyone I watch it's just, "Hey, if you've been enjoying my content, please consider subscribing", which isn't unethical in the slightest, especially since the content is free to begin with. Like why is it okay to sell a product in exchange for money, but not okay to provide the product for free then ask for a donation afterwards?
Lotta people are just worked up that someone in the world makes more money than them "just for playing video games" (more than 40 hours a week, with no vacations because of the viewer dropoff, the same game for the rest of their streaming career, while keeping an audience engaged).
Like, I'm jealous too because I'd never be able to do that, but I just say "good for them" rather than yell and scream that they don't deserve it.
It's basically impossible at this point, you are far more likely to quickly burn through any money you have trying to make a living out of it. It also requires you to basically dedicate most of your time for the chance at this point. You have to cast as wide a net as possible between all the video streaming platforms, something all the big streamers have entire teams handle at this point, without that wide net it's even more impossible.
Yeah, like I said I'm just kind of lamenting the lack of transparency. I don't care either way, I don't watch live streamers or donate, I just wish for the sake of others that are possibly heavy contributors or those in position to not be donating, to just have some idea of any wealth disparity between them and their favorite streamers.
And in my specific example it's of course still true I don't know if he is a millionaire, but I see it as rather likely because they don't edit their videos, but I wasn't here to talk about and or speculate on one person's worth, but it just served as a springboard to my thoughts on transparent financial data being available when your business involves creating these parasocial relationships.
People make movie and music celebrities insanely rich. It's really no different. Popular people always have insane wealth disparity
Ok. I guess I won't consider if people who's income is multifaceted from many avenues should be beholden to bring transparent to an audience that they might be deceiving into donating for non-material returns because other people make money and that's fine, and really what's the point of thinking about anything when you think about it
Twitch should at least be making as many efforts as possible for people to change their passwords and use 2 factor authentication.
Oh don't worry, I'm aware of that. I mean, I still want to get a gaming PC one day, streaming on the side seems like fun, I'm not going to leave my regular job haha.just be aware, the vast majority of streamers get a handful to no viewers
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I don't really get why people are feeling that streamers in particular are more problematic in earning "too much money" than other rich entertainers.
A streamer doesn't really have an album or a concert to sell to earn money. Instead they get what's probably more accurately described as tipps. It's really whatever.
If i donated, a good chunk of the money going to amazon hurts way more than it going to the streamer. Even if said streamer is already rich.
A streamer doesn't really have an album or a concert to sell to earn money. Instead they get what's probably more accurately described as tipps. It's really whatever.
If i donated, a good chunk of the money going to amazon hurts way more than it going to the streamer. Even if said streamer is already rich.
Absolutely go for it if you wanna do it for fun. Lots of folk do that. Just don't expect to make any cash haha
I don't think this is true. Most donations bypass Twitch entirely.
A friend of mine who is well into his 40s, lives hand to mouth (low level IT support for wage not salary, has a lot of social anxiety about jobs with greater responsibility), donates to streamers who could buy a private island let alone retire quite young.
I think he gets some kind of dopamine hit or something from the donation. I just wish he'd put it in long term savings instead.
I think he gets some kind of dopamine hit or something from the donation. I just wish he'd put it in long term savings instead.
I have no issues with twitch streamers earning big bucks, no different than other successful entertainers really. A lot of them have sponsorships and other sources of income as well.
I've never felt compelled to donate to top streamers though. I watch Hasan every now and again and I've never donated to him, he really doesn't need my 5 bucks. The only times I've donated were during GDQ events.
I've never felt compelled to donate to top streamers though. I watch Hasan every now and again and I've never donated to him, he really doesn't need my 5 bucks. The only times I've donated were during GDQ events.
How would twitch know of donations that bypass them? At least of the leaked list, twitch takes a cut.
Those are channel subscriptions (and ad revenue, I presume), not donations.
Does the leak have any data on how much amazon prime subs are used per streamer?
I think that would be the most interesting stat of all.
I think that would be the most interesting stat of all.
I have been trying to get my Twitch account back for years after someone hacked it and changed my password. I've have had endless back and forths with their customer support but they keep telling me they can't help me.
The hacker hasn't even done anything with my account, it's just sitting there, unused.
If the passwords really have been compromised, maybe this is how I can finally get my account back :').
Obviously I hope that everyone's passwords are safe. Has there actually been any proof that passwords were compromised? If people already gotten their hands on the data file, shouldn't we know by now what's in it?
The hacker hasn't even done anything with my account, it's just sitting there, unused.
If the passwords really have been compromised, maybe this is how I can finally get my account back :').
Obviously I hope that everyone's passwords are safe. Has there actually been any proof that passwords were compromised? If people already gotten their hands on the data file, shouldn't we know by now what's in it?
Yeah, I was being facetious. The bigger issue is in the extreme values. So Bobby Kotick, Bezos, Musk and so on, that's where problems lie. Top 100 in any field is going to make good money.
They're easy targets. The stereotypical streamer is easy to mock and scapegoat and the bad actors engage in so much obviously abusive behavior that it's easy to assume that everyone acts similarly. Twitch on the other hand is a faceless corporate entity so blaming them often feels as useful as yelling at a rock, associating a face with an issue makes it much easier to blame them.
Working overtime but certainly not paid overtime, assuming they get paid at all...
