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Visual Novel Community Thread: No Auto Read Required

Taruranto

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Oct 26, 2017
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My playtime says 34 hours.


I definitely think the end is a little rushed, and I think Revelation Mode could be implemented more organically, but overall I really enjoyed it. That being said, the story hints at a lot more than we get to see even in Revelation Mode, which made me wonder at times if this was the second game in a series or something.

Mitsuji and her entire.... Thing. I like her a lot, but I really felt like there was backstory missing there. Meiko I assume was just one of the trafficked humans who escaped, but after Revelation Mode it felt like there was setup and references to a game I haven't played!
More than rushed...
I feel like a lot of answers were lame, like the game wanted to be a supernatural mystery but then wanted to go "It was humans all along", so you have stuff like "dogs with rabies" and "eletronic locked doors". Also Rikuko is basically forgiven of everything because "It was all a dream anyway". Yeah OK, but she raped people and Cheimi and the Hassan still remember being endlessly tortured.

Meiko and Mitsuji were ??? LIke someone accidentally dropped the plot of another story into a rather self-contained one.

It's a good game, but some stuff could have been handled better.
 

takoyaki

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Oct 25, 2017
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Meiko I assume was just one of the trafficked humans who escaped, but after Revelation Mode it felt like there was setup and references to a game I haven't played!
You're right.
An older Meiko (named Miya) shows up in D.M.L.C -Death Match Love Comedy-, the previous game by amphibian. It's Japan-only and I haven't played it, but DMLC is supposed to be quite good as well and Kemco is working on a remake for 2020. The original 2013 game only came out on WiiU and smartphones, so the remake might have a better shot at getting localized.

Miya/Meiko is the character on the bottom left:

 

Griff

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Aug 12, 2018
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You're right.
An older Meiko (named Miya) shows up in D.M.L.C -Death Match Love Comedy-, the previous game by amphibian. It's Japan-only and I haven't played it, but DMLC is supposed to be quite good as well and Kemco is working on a remake for 2020. The original 2013 game only came out on WiiU and smartphones, so the remake might have a better shot at getting localized.

Miya/Meiko is the character on the bottom left:

I should pick that up! I had no idea it was a thing. Thanks for letting me know about it.

I know there is another VN by this team called.... Dearest Disaster? Seemed interesting.
 

takoyaki

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Oct 25, 2017
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I should pick that up! I had no idea it was a thing. Thanks for letting me know about it.

I know there is another VN by this team called.... Dearest Disaster? Seemed interesting.
There's three other Kemco / amphibian VNs:

Saiaku Naru Saiyaku Ningen ni Sasagu / My Dearest Direst Disaster

Togabito no Senritsu

Nibiiro no Butterfly

No idea if any of them are connected to Raging Loop.

And then there's the upcoming follow-up to Raging Loop (RD), Shuumatsu Senki 0.1 and the DLMC remake. So quite a lot of VNs to check out if Raging Loop got you curious about amphibian and Kemco VNs. I'm definitely looking forward to those upcoming games.
 

Griff

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Aug 12, 2018
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There's three other Kemco / amphibian VNs:

Saiaku Naru Saiyaku Ningen ni Sasagu / My Dearest Direst Disaster

Togabito no Senritsu

Nibiiro no Butterfly

No idea if any of them are connected to Raging Loop.

And then there's the upcoming follow-up to Raging Loop (RD), Shuumatsu Senki 0.1 and the DLMC remake. So quite a lot of VNs to check out if Raging Loop got you curious about amphibian and Kemco VNs. I'm definitely looking forward to those upcoming games.
I'll have to pick some of them up. I know Amphibian also wrote a series of published novels surrounding Raging Loop so I might have to grab them as well. I'm a little hesitant since the Japanese for Raging Loop is pretty tough at times, but I can work through it. It's that sort of thing that challenges my fluency, haha.
 

Yata

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It's been like a year and a half? since I started Higurashi and I finallly finished the first four arcs.

I've never been so mixed on a visual novel in my life, there's so much to like but SO much to dislike. I am dropping it, though.

EDIT: As much as I disliked the overall visual novel experience I love discussing it and did really enjoy the anime so I guess Ryu does something right lol
 
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It's been like a year and a half? since I started Higurashi and I finallly finished the first four arcs.

I've never been so mixed on a visual novel in my life, there's so much to like but SO much to dislike. I am dropping it, though.

EDIT: As much as I disliked the overall visual novel experience I love discussing it and did really enjoy the anime so I guess he does something right lol
I've also been going through the Higurashi VNs, and am somewhat torn on the time commitment of reading them versus just recommending someone watch the anime. I could've done without the inevitable multi-hour ramp of those characters goofing around and playing games in every single arc, but I also think the first season of the anime moves a little too quickly to really let that sense of dread and paranoia sink in. (it also looks like shit, but that's its own discussion). I guess the good news is, when I inevitably get to Umineko, I won't have a choice because the anime for that has an almost Tsukihime-level reputation among fans of the VN.

What were your big hang-ups?
 

Yata

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I've also been going through the Higurashi VNs, and am somewhat torn on the time commitment of reading them versus just recommending someone watch the anime. I could've done without the inevitable multi-hour ramp of those characters goofing around and playing games in every single arc, but I also think the first season of the anime moves a little too quickly to really let that sense of dread and paranoia sink in. (it also looks like shit, but that's its own discussion). I guess the good news is, when I inevitably get to Umineko, I won't have a choice because the anime for that has an almost Tsukihime-level reputation among fans of the VN.

What were your big hang-ups?
You pretty much got it in your post, there's just too many scenes that drag the good parts and it became exhausting to get through every single arc. And it frustrates me because I genuinely loved the anime back then and people were always telling me the visual novel was just so much better, and the characters were so much richer, and on and on...and I straight up don't see what's the big deal. Aside from a couple of scenes that just are not worth the time investment.

The anime was rushed but it focuses on what to me were the best parts, and executed them greatly, the novel is trying to be this slice of life comedy for a majority of every arc that I just find terribly unfunny, sorry for using this word, but cringe tiers levels of unfunny. It goes on and on to deliver these terrible punchlines. Plus the constant pedo jokes? I am used to these already, and I can take them when they are not shoved in my face every second, but they are in Higurashi. Doctor Irie is easily the worst character ever written by Ryu, like holy fuck someone arrest this man now.

I think Arc 3 was overall better executed in the Visual Novel and Satoko's character is also better developed here, plus there are good scenes sprinkled here and then. But these couple of scenes don't justify the time investment of reading all of it, at least for me. Just found it a big waste of time, even though I love the overall story and characters, the novel makes it really hard to enjoy them. Also, as someone who finds the soundtrack essential for any work, the downgrade from the anime to the visual novel is palpable.

And, I disagree about the animation from Higurashi being bad, it complimented perfectly the short (thank god) slice to life scenes and made them charming, and also added to the chaotic element in the second half, at least to me, but I know it's a controversial opinion.
 

Taruranto

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's been like a year and a half? since I started Higurashi and I finallly finished the first four arcs.

I've never been so mixed on a visual novel in my life, there's so much to like but SO much to dislike. I am dropping it, though.

EDIT: As much as I disliked the overall visual novel experience I love discussing it and did really enjoy the anime so I guess Ryu does something right lol
Honestly, if you made it to the fourth arc, you may as well try Meakashi, which is one of the best things R07 has written.
 
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weblaus

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Oct 27, 2017
351
So I imported The Grisaia Trilogy last week and learned that you can't even select anything apart the first game (Fruit of Grisaia) in the beginning - suprising, but not a problem since going through in the correct order was my intention anyway.

So after about half a dozen hours, I'm enjoying the game so far. but can someone who is familiar with it give me a clue when things, well... will start to happen? Until now I've have lots of lots of interations of Yuuji with the girls in his school, but nothing that seems to move any story along. And I actually have no clue at all what kind of story this might invole into as I'm going in pretty much blind.

This is giving me a bit of a Muv-Luv (which I liked, all three episodes including the first) feeling in that regard.
 

Layla

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I imported The Grisaia Trilogy last week and learned that you can't even select anything apart the first game (Fruit of Grisaia) in the beginning - suprising, but not a problem since going through in the correct order was my intention anyway.

So after about half a dozen hours, I'm enjoying the game so far. but can someone who is familiar with it give me a clue when things, well... will start to happen? Until now I've have lots of lots of interations of Yuuji with the girls in his school, but nothing that seems to move any story along. And I actually have no clue at all what kind of story this might invole into as I'm going in pretty much blind.

This is giving me a bit of a Muv-Luv (which I liked, all three episodes including the first) feeling in that regard.
It does that school life thing for quite a while, getting to know the girls. Then there is a sort of ladder structure where you get to choose to enter or not each girls story, it's quite obvious when it happens. The girls routes are where the drama/action happens. The second and third games are practically linear so stuff happens all the way through.
 

InceptionLoop

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Nov 1, 2017
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So I imported The Grisaia Trilogy last week and learned that you can't even select anything apart the first game (Fruit of Grisaia) in the beginning - suprising, but not a problem since going through in the correct order was my intention anyway.

So after about half a dozen hours, I'm enjoying the game so far. but can someone who is familiar with it give me a clue when things, well... will start to happen? Until now I've have lots of lots of interations of Yuuji with the girls in his school, but nothing that seems to move any story along. And I actually have no clue at all what kind of story this might invole into as I'm going in pretty much blind.

This is giving me a bit of a Muv-Luv (which I liked, all three episodes including the first) feeling in that regard.
If I'm not wrong, the common route is like 20 hours, and it's all usual fun and comedy without the drama parts. Those happen in the character routes.
 

weblaus

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Oct 27, 2017
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It does that school life thing for quite a while, getting to know the girls. Then there is a sort of ladder structure where you get to choose to enter or not each girls story, it's quite obvious when it happens. The girls routes are where the drama/action happens. The second and third games are practically linear so stuff happens all the way through.
If I'm not wrong, the common route is like 20 hours, and it's all usual fun and comedy without the drama parts. Those happen in the character routes.
Thanks. While I could do with a bit less foreplay (pun not intended) at the start, but sounds promising and indeed quit a bit like Muv-Luv, so I'm hopeful I'll enjoy the experience.
 

Oceko

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Oct 28, 2017
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Finished WorldEnd Syndrome a couple of days ago, and gotta say that it was pretty underwhelming. The first couple of hours were strong, but it started to quickly deflate when you gain access to the map and you have to start picking locations to visit.

I get that on the first run you are not supposed to know where (or at what time) are the characters, but even after finishing the game a couple of times I still found myself picking locations at random hoping to trigger new events to be able to start the next route. That's just not fun, specially when the game straight lies to you a couple of times about the location of certain characters (their portrait is displayed on location A, but you have to go instead to B)

It ends up becoming a pretty frustrating and boring experience, and the payoff of the routes themselves is not nearly good enough to justify all the trial and error that you have to submit yourself to access them.

It also doesn't help the fact that the majority of the routes are pretty weak and they are unrelated (outside some very small bits) to the main plot... The last couple of them were a big improvement on that front and I really liked the true ending, but at that point I just wanted to end the game ASAP and start something else.

I wasn't also a fan of the shameless sequel hook at the end, specially when the main story is fairly short (and filled to the brim with arguably filler stuff)

Anyway, my next VN is Raging Loop! I heard some pretty good things about this one, so I'm excited!
 

Shizuka

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Oct 25, 2017
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Finished WorldEnd Syndrome a couple of days ago, and gotta say that it was pretty underwhelming. The first couple of hours were strong, but it started to quickly deflate when you gain access to the map and you have to start picking locations to visit.

I get that on the first run you are not supposed to know where (or at what time) are the characters, but even after finishing the game a couple of times I still found myself picking locations at random hoping to trigger new events to be able to start the next route. That's just not fun, specially when the game straight lies to you a couple of times about the location of certain characters (their portrait is displayed on location A, but you have to go instead to B)

It ends up becoming a pretty frustrating and boring experience, and the payoff of the routes themselves is not nearly good enough to justify all the trial and error that you have to submit yourself to access them.

It also doesn't help the fact that the majority of the routes are pretty weak and they are unrelated (outside some very small bits) to the main plot... The last couple of them were a big improvement on that front and I really liked the true ending, but at that point I just wanted to end the game ASAP and start something else.

I wasn't also a fan of the shameless sequel hook at the end, specially when the main story is fairly short (and filled to the brim with arguably filler stuff)

Anyway, my next VN is Raging Loop! I heard some pretty good things about this one, so I'm excited!
Welp, it's certainly a flaw of the game in my opinion, which is why I always recommend playing that game with a guide.

Raging Loop, on the other hand, needs no guide whatsoever, the game is pretty clear on what you need to do and where to look for.
 

Oceko

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Oct 28, 2017
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Welp, it's certainly a flaw of the game in my opinion, which is why I always recommend playing that game with a guide.
To be fair, that's totally on me! Before starting the game I was aware that I'd most likely need a walkthrough to fully enjoy it, but I wanted to finish at least one route for myself before using a guide. The portrait system made me think that it'd be easy to start the next routes, so I gave it a try. And another. And another.

It's a shame because with a couple of easy fixes it'd be much more playable, like displaying all of the characters' portraits from the beginning or properly informing you when you enter a route or drop out from one.

In one occasion I choose the wrong decision on Hanako's route and I ended up returning to the common route... I was still able to gain points for her, so I didn't notice anything wrong until it was too late to load a previous save. Come on, that's just cheap, at least give me a bad ending and don't make me do the whole month.

I still want to play the sequel tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Shizuka

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Oct 25, 2017
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To be fair, that's totally on me! Before starting the game I was aware that I'd most likely need a walkthrough to fully enjoy it, but I wanted to finish at least one route for myself before using a guide. The portrait system made me think that it'd be easy to start the next routes, so I gave it a try. And another. And another.

It's a shame because with a couple of easy fixes it'd be much more playable, like displaying all of the characters' portraits from the beginning or properly informing you when you enter a route or drop out from one.

In one occasion I choose the wrong decision on Hanako's route and I ended up returning to the common route... I was still able to gain points for her, so I didn't notice anything wrong until it was too late to load a previous save. Come on, that's just cheap, at least give me a bad ending and don't make me do the whole month.

I still want to play the sequel tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Is there a sequel?
 

Rae

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Mar 7, 2019
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For the 3 other readers of Hashihime: The 4th route dragged the game down a bit after I force skipped 3rd LI. I mean, they could've have sold it game w/2 LI and made better choices for the game.

Professor Route
Wow, one of the characters mentioned but they have a weird relationship. I kept thinking he deserved much better than I kinda like you, maybe wishy-washiness of the ending. I thought they would explain the time travel better but it just never went anywhere in the end. I feel like the earlier routes made sense in the world setting but this route felt like a totally new route in a bad way.

BTW: I don't know why Tamamori has to remind the reader: No, I'm not gay for each route.
 

Taruranto

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Oct 26, 2017
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For the 3 other readers of Hashihime: The 4th route dragged the game down a bit after I force skipped 3rd LI. I mean, they could've have sold it game w/2 LI and made better choices for the game.

Professor Route
Wow, one of the characters mentioned but they have a weird relationship. I kept thinking he deserved much better than I kinda like you, maybe wishy-washiness of the ending. I thought they would explain the time travel better but it just never went anywhere in the end. I feel like the earlier routes made sense in the world setting but this route felt like a totally new route in a bad way.

BTW: I don't know why Tamamori has to remind the reader: No, I'm not gay for each route.
It's not bad as the third route, but I felt it was largely just there and mostly used to clean up a couple of plot points. But oh well, it's largely inoffensive anyway and the game and the game was pretty much done at that point. It's your typical VN side-route which is there because the protagonist has to date all the characters. It's just that the way the Visual Novel is set-up you get all the side stuff after the true route and one after another lol.

I liked a couple of scenes, I liked the scene with the grandma (Who never got screentime T_T), the maids were great and the scene in which he confesses to Minakami, reinforcing how much important he was to him was heartbreaking. To be honest I didn't care much for the romance with the Professor, so I didn' t mind that he didn't outright fall in love with him, since it would have felt out of character.

Tamamori is obvious gay since he has been in love with Minakami since he was like 5 and has spent the rest of his life trying to capture his attention with his stories, it's just part of his personality literally involves denying everything unpleasant and that could potentially disturb his daily life. Kawase tried to murder him so he literally replaced him with a Kappa.

Are you going to check the last route? Personally since you skipped the third route I suggest to skip that too, it's basically an AU Bad ending that doesn't add anything to the story and doesn't make particular sense.
 
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Exzyleph

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Oct 25, 2017
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LAMUNATION is out on Steam, Denpasoft, MangaGamer and JAST with 25% launch discount.
Translation was handled by H. Anthony Israel of Steins;Gate/Root Double/etc. fame, so it should be good and full of punny goodness:
 

Rae

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Mar 7, 2019
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Are you going to check the last route? Personally since you skipped the third route I suggest to skip that too, it's basically an AU Bad ending that doesn't add anything to the story and doesn't make particular sense.
No, as it's p depressing overall and I rather like Tamamori so I want to end this game on a positive note. Ik it'll never happen but I still want them to add the extra side stories to the PC game like an updated edition since it's probably their best selling game.

I think the real suffering is finding out no one other than 2-3 players ever post about it other than Steam. Someone read my KawasexTamamori fanfics.
 

Taruranto

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No, as it's p depressing overall and I rather like Tamamori so I want to end this game on a positive note. Ik it'll never happen but I still want them to add the extra side stories to the PC game like an updated edition since it's probably their best selling game.

I think the real suffering is finding out no one other than 2-3 players ever post about it other than Steam. Someone read my KawasexTamamori fanfics.
Well, it's a AU-Tamamori so personally whatever. Not the same protagonist we were up to that point, completely different morals and basically completely utterly insane in ways even the Shopkeeper wasn't. Eroge protagonist doing fucked up things in alternate scenario is pretty common in the genre.
So whatever, I made my peace with the last route being this stupid AU just there porn and the author wanting to reference a couple of books desperately. I just wish it didn't also serve as the ending of the novel, because the actual ending to the main's route is fantastic.

Steam forum is dead for this game, I mostly found people to discuss it on twitter and err, other places. I would read your fics but I'm a Minakami's stan with massive bias.
 
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