reagan was also a movie star though. he laid that groundwork too.I feel like Reaganomics can be eroded away and reeled in, whereas the Pandora's box of electing someone like Trump - a reality TV goon who brags about sexual assault, shooting people, and asks for help from foreign countries (and still gets elected) - is a harder thing to undo.
That box has been open since the election of Reagan, that's the point (not a reality TV goon, but a sitcom television goon equally if not more incompetent and hateful).I feel like Reaganomics can be eroded away and reeled in, whereas the Pandora's box of electing someone like Trump - a reality TV goon who brags about sexual assault, shooting people, and asks for help from foreign countries (and still gets elected) - is a harder thing to undo.
Trump.
Yes, Reagan and Bush had major issues - but they acted like they were the president of an entire country. Trump's behavior has been devastating for the office moving forward. He has normalized disgusting behaviors that we at least used to hide from public view. I've never been more disgusted than I am right now.
I don't get answers like these.Trump because at least with other presidents we didn't think and hear about them all day. Fuck the clown show.
Kinda nuts that Nixon; who intentionally extended the Vietnam war behind everyone's back just to make sure he could get elected, might not even make semi-finals of this playoff, lol
Even more nuts when you consider that Nixon — whose strategist fully set in motion, successfully, the Southern Strategy — is that low.
Everything Trump and Reagan stand for, the racism coded as economic concern, is a byproduct of that.
The answer is 100% Nixon.
Have you heard of AIDS by any chance?Whelp, just changed my vote from Reagan to Trump, since you know, people are dying due to his incompetence
Reagan brought about a sea change that allowed future awfulness to occur so I'm gonna count him as the worst.
I totally understand the arguments for Reagan and W.Bush being the worst.
From an international point of view, Trump has absolutely destroyed foreign relations and significantly lowered global opinion of the United States to an all time low.
Yeah, but I didn't live through that and I am living through this so it's probably recency bias.
I don't get answers like these.
It honestly doesn't fucking matter that Reagan presented himself as a "regular" president. What matters were his actions and how he blatantly pioneered a wave evil actions that still affect us to this day.
Kinda nuts that Nixon; who intentionally extended the Vietnam war behind everyone's back just to make sure he could get elected, might not even make semi-finals of this playoff, lol
That would be Nixon, but yeah, they all suck hard.It's 1am but who started the war on drugs? Because fuck them. It has had a insanely negative impact in so many areas of society especially in policing and how us minorities are treated.
Citizens United is also very damaging and has made the US government work for the rich even more.
They're all pretty terrible. Can I just pick all of the above?
I would rather be called an N-word in public by a faux toughguy Trumper than have the CIA flood my hood with crack cocaine.In the context of the modern world: it's Trump.
He's literally turned the clocks back on progress across the board and has normalized hate and emboldened bigotry. To the point it's become an every day thing to spew malice and bile that people were too cowardly to 5 years ago, and it's only getting worse.
I honestly do not think it's even a contest.
Make this thread after Trump is over. He still has some years ahead to fuck things up even more.
If you want a really in-depth rundown of what a monumental bastard Reagan was (long before he ever became President, too), I highly recommend this episode of The Dollop podcast:
This is something black people will prob only get. Sure trump may have emboldened racists but Reagan kinda destroyed any progress we may have had going into the 80's. All those federal programs that helped black people in the 70's were cut. Then as you said crack and AidsI would rather be called an N-word in public by a faux toughguy Trumper than have the CIA flood my hood with crack cocaine.
I'd call ripping apart families and imprisoning those stolen children in internment camps has destroyed a community and traumatized an entire generation. Trump is an imbecile but he's also a bigot surrounded by more competent bigots like Stephen Miller, Pence, and Steve Bannon. There's going to be a long tail to, not just the rhetoric, but legislational & political choices (such as rolling back environmental protection or appointing conservative SC judges) of the Trump administration just like Reagan's which is why I personally tie them.This is something black people will prob only get. Sure trump may have emboldened racists but Reagan kinda destroyed any progress we may have had going into the 80's. All those federal programs that helped black people in the 70's were cut. Then as you said crack and Aids
Trump is incompetent and racist but as much as he may have tried he's not going to completely destroy communities
Yeah man lol. We live an entirely different existence from mainstream America. I was having this exact discussion a few months ago with white family members. They could not get over obsessing over Trump or understand why I put Reagan as a worse president. They couldn't sit there and just think hard about the implications of the crack epidemic, Reagan's complicity, and all the destruction that came along with it.This is something black people will prob only get. Sure trump may have emboldened racists but Reagan kinda destroyed any progress we may have had going into the 80's. All those federal programs that helped black people in the 70's were cut. Then as you said crack and Aids
Trump is incompetent and racist but as much as he may have tried he's not going to completely destroy communities
Initially voted for GWB but changed to Reagan when I saw the popular tally. Y'all are right.
He set the template, and have given modern GOP-ers a gentle statesman to hide their monstrous beliefs behind. It's him, no question.
Trump doesn't happen without Reagan.
GWB not only killed Americans but also orders of magnitudes more afghans and Iraqis. The death count for GWB's criminal wars is still ongoing, add to that the utter shambles the Iraqi Healthcare system is in which gwb didn't help.trump will kill many many more Americans with his incompetence handling the pandemic than the blood GWB had on his hands with the wars
and we'll get a depression on top of it to boot