Don't commit the crime, no problem. How much jail time we talking here? If it's just a night or two, just buy a ticket.
Why is Europe so far behind on legal Marijuana?
- Thread starter konka
- Start date
The issue with drug testing for THC is besides it being invasive, it also lasts way too long in your body. Why would anyone give a shit if someone smoked a joint a week and a half ago on a Saturday night? Sucks
I believe Canadians will have access to edibles, concentrates, and topicals after the middle of December.
Probably because I need to get somewhere and the prices are ridiculously expensive.
You can go to jail for weeks/months depending on how often you got caught and if you paid the fine.
Walk? Sorry, I'm not going to feel a whole lot of sympathy for someone who simply wants to get a free ride (literally). Just because you feel something costs more than you think it should does not entitle you to take it. Anyway, they probably when making the law didn't think anyone was foolish enough to risk jail time to avoid a train fare.
You shouldn't ever get caught, because you should always pay...
As to the rest of the world being slow to adopt cannabis legalisations, it's probably not as big a deal as it was in the US, but hopefully more come around because it doesn't seem that cannabis is all that harmful, and probably less so than alcohol.
It is an important reason as to why there has been no major movements to legalize it though. If you can easily get a hold of it and don't get arrested for posession people tend to not care as much as opposed to the US where it being legal vs illegal is a day and night difference.
I've never actually been drug tested during employment (employers say they have the right to do it at any time, but in my experience only ever do when there is some kind of accident or something), rather only at hiring.
Basically what it comes down to is that the drug tests aren't "we want to make sure you never use drugs" and more "we want to make sure you aren't so hopelessly addicted that you can't quit using drugs for a couple of weeks before the test"
Your workplace doesn't care if you smoke weed, they only care if it will affect your productivity.
Basically what it comes down to is that the drug tests aren't "we want to make sure you never use drugs" and more "we want to make sure you aren't so hopelessly addicted that you can't quit using drugs for a couple of weeks before the test"
Your workplace doesn't care if you smoke weed, they only care if it will affect your productivity.
marijuana is nowhere near the same level of popularity in Europe as it is in the U.S, and nor is its enforcement and punishment so heavy handed as it was/is in the U.S. unless you are a drug dealer, personal possession is very low on priority. drug screenings are very rare, never had one either personally.
unless you are not paying the fines and repeatedly not buying a ticket, I have never heard of someone going to jail for this. besides, unless you are using ICE, using regional trains is pretty cheap.
Last edited:
Maybe in certain professions, but I've never worked anywhere that has a significant number of random drug screenings.
They claim there could be random drug screenings but they don't seem to ever happen. Maybe that's just coincidental where I have worked, but I've worked in both public and private sector and I can't recall any random drug screenings.
Lots of people, especially politicians is in this headspace in Sweden. Hence it will be legal like 20-30 years after the US.
he is spreading bullshit. you don't go to jail for not buying a train ticket.
if you get caught without a ticket and straight up refuse to pay for it over an extended period of time because you are an entitled ass, at some point they can convert it to jail time.
no different than refusing to pay taxes or something like that.
I've never heard of anyone being tested for anything outside of Americans.
For practical purposes it's legal for users in the Netherlands already, so it's not really a hot topic.
Why do Americans compare their one country to the entirety of Europe, that's made up of several different countries.
That's my question.
That's my question.
You have no idea what you are talking about. If the public transportation provider presses charges against you it will go to trial no matter if you paid in the meantime.
No one? You do realise driving under the influence of drugs kills people, too? Or that marijuana is the well-known entry drug for harder drugs like cocaine or meth? You're completely downplaying the threat of this drug and I'm for one am very glad it's forbidden where I live and I hope it stays that way.
I wish they'd legalise it in the UK, but mostly because whatever strain the dealers round here grow smells like fucking vomit. Maybe then my neighbour could smoke without making the neighbourhood smell like shit
It's not like the police have the resources or the willpower to enforce a ban here anyway. Might as well legislate and tax it. No desire whatsoever to smoke myself, though.
It's not like the police have the resources or the willpower to enforce a ban here anyway. Might as well legislate and tax it. No desire whatsoever to smoke myself, though.
well if you use a product or service and refuse to pay for it, you go to trial at some point.
I guess there is no war on drug and it's kinda an accepted behavior.
No one i know got in trouble for smoking it, so there is less pressure for calling a broad legalization.
You still have some politician calling for legalization but it's not see as a priority.
No one i know got in trouble for smoking it, so there is less pressure for calling a broad legalization.
You still have some politician calling for legalization but it's not see as a priority.
Last edited:
Never heard of this guy but that was a great story. He has real comedic talent, too
I thought he was just making up the name of the weed but I should have known the corny depths of strain names have no limits https://www.hytiva.com/strains/hybrid/orange-zkittlez
Why are you talking about drugs in a thread about public transport?
That's nonsense, sorry.
Some good answers were already given:
-there is not much political pressure because the situation is functionally the same as legalization.
-there is not much room for societal debate because of other more pressing problems
I'd like to add that decriminalization has had negative effects for Dutch border towns. Couriers bought supply and the drove it to countries where mj is still illegal. Pressure from those countries and the border towns is also a counteracting force.
And discussions about how to legalize are still ongoing. There are test planned with government grown weed.
I think in this very specific case, the US full confidence in market economics is actually a boon. Here, there are worries that the supply side that is dominated by criminal elements will be guided into legality without seeing any sort of punishment for actual crimes. While buying as a consumer is a fairly relaxed affair, the supply side is still very much a place where criminal elements reside.
It's a strange situation because you can find coffeeshops openly selling weed (with menus on the counter and everything) in pretty much every town and city, and yet yes, technically it isn't legal.
Around here, we are hesitant to legalize new drugs since we've already suffering the consequences of making beer and wine such a normal part of our everyday lives. You can get beer at the store at 16 where I live. Good look trying to raise that age limit lol. Yea we love booze and many love it a bit too much. You might say, we're… traumatized almost.
You're right on the first part and dead wrong on the second part.
Basically the precautionary principle: for a minute lets ignore the existing legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco which were grandfathered in, most European countries have adopted the EU's precautionary principle: basically those proposing an action have to prove that it is harmless or the harm is not significant.
This is different from Canada and the US where it's the harm which has to be proven. While marijuana is relatively safe, there's not really the depth of studies to prove that especially in the realm of mental health ergo it currently fails on the precautionary principle. Given the money being made in the US on legal weed, I imagine there will be a boat load of studies launched to give legal cover, it'll just be slower here in Europe.
Aside from that, the UK aside there's never really been the same crackdown on it as there was in the US. It's not legal in most of Europe but it's tolerated.
This is different from Canada and the US where it's the harm which has to be proven. While marijuana is relatively safe, there's not really the depth of studies to prove that especially in the realm of mental health ergo it currently fails on the precautionary principle. Given the money being made in the US on legal weed, I imagine there will be a boat load of studies launched to give legal cover, it'll just be slower here in Europe.
Aside from that, the UK aside there's never really been the same crackdown on it as there was in the US. It's not legal in most of Europe but it's tolerated.
I'd say a lot of the push for legalisation in America amongst the more liberally minded comes as a result of your 'war on drugs' and the mass incarceration of young black men for drug related non-violent crimes.The Netherlands was always the destination for Marijuana but even there it was never really totally legal. We've seen big movements in the Americas with Uruguay legalizing weed nationally in 2014, but Colorado and Washington states legalizing in 2012 and so far legalized in 11 states and DC to date. Legal weed in the USA doesn't appear to be in any trouble because even the Trump admin hasn't clamped down on states with legal weed and they keep expanding. Canada legalizes weed nationwide starting January 2019.
In my experience, our police don't give a shit by and large, I've lived in several places where you'd just walk down the street smoking weed and nothing would ever happen.
I think if our police were more cunts about it like American police then you'd probably see more of a push, my family in Spain grow marijuana so they're fine. I can't speak for the rest of Europe because they're different countries.
I'm going to take a shot and guess that you're German, because that was the most German sounding thing I've heard someone say.
Honestly at this point in the UK it might as well be - the amount of people who smoke it openly in the public is staggering to me. I remember as a teen smoking hashish (we had that rather than weed for some reason) we basically hid away petrified of being caught, this was 22 ~ years ago.
Also the amount of people I know who are openly growing it and again publicly talking about it is equally staggering.
I want it legalised as all the weed around where I live is so fucking strooong, no one seems to grow any mellow stuff anymore so I just don't ever smoke it.
Also the amount of people I know who are openly growing it and again publicly talking about it is equally staggering.
I want it legalised as all the weed around where I live is so fucking strooong, no one seems to grow any mellow stuff anymore so I just don't ever smoke it.
Just decriminalise it. Fuck legalizing it, don't want big corporations pushing out the small independents. Marijuana has been a good equalizer in the profits going to the lower classes and not big business like alcohol.
Funny, Sweden just made smoking in general in public areas illegal. And are on track to outright ban smoking in the next decade. Hopefully vaping will also be part of that, and all the other shit that falls in the same bucket of poo.
As for use in home, I couldn't care less if people killed themselves fast, let alone poisoned themselves over many years.
As for use in home, I couldn't care less if people killed themselves fast, let alone poisoned themselves over many years.
In my country, I am the 63% (according to a poll from 2017, that is). We will not be ignored. Deal with it.
