Guess i learned something today! But man I hope this isnt something too many people do to their teeth. Protect your teeth people! brush everyday!
Guess i learned something today! But man I hope this isnt something too many people do to their teeth. Protect your teeth people! brush everyday!
Weren't they going to fix that DLC to be less shitty in an (still upcoming?) patch/update?yes but the whole thing is just horribly written and completely goes against the entire character.And on top of that, the whole premise of the dlc is just an afterthought, is barely adressed and it ends up being just a smaller rehash of the main story. Ugh.
Dont most upper corner teeth of peeps already have a pointy shape? Mine do naturally. I guess this is to literally have em be extended and stick out of your mouth or have em appear longer than your other teeth?
Facial shapes, especially with female anime characters, is always a problem. A small character can still look like an adult if the head and facial features are shaped and proportioned right but typical anime styles have like, one or two head shapes that are mostly featureless, so age indicators just don't exist within many anime designs. This is why female characters either read as very young or very old, with nothing existing visually in between. There aren't a lot of female characters that actually look like 30 or 40 somethings. Male characters get more detail to their faces.
I started playing FFXIII the other day and was shocked to find out Sazh was 40. Not becuase I thought he was younger - but because he looked and acted like he could actually be a 40 year old man! Cid from FFVII, by contrast, is 32 and I thought he pushing 50!Its also a problem with ages in anime because they tend to draw 25 year olds like they in their Mid-forties early 50's sometimes lol
Also: fangs.
I wouldn't call the artist "pervy" - those tend to be far more overt these days - but there's certainly something to be said about the infantilisation. It's an adult women reduced to a pre-teen caricature.
Is that problematic? Well, how often are adult men portrayed in such a way?
why the no readshe's had her's set to "female" for quite some time, why the lie
The facial detail point is interesting, when the nose tends to disappear as well it doesn't leave much to go on outside of the massive eyes.Facial shapes, especially with female anime characters, is always a problem. A small character can still look like an adult if the head and facial features are shaped and proportioned right but typical anime styles have like, one or two head shapes that are mostly featureless, so age indicators just don't exist within many anime designs. This is why female characters either read as very young or very old, with nothing existing visually in between. There aren't a lot of female characters that actually look like 30 or 40 somethings. Male characters get more detail to their faces.
I'm playing Tales of Vesperia at the moment, and the party keeps referring to one character, Raven, as 'old man'. He's only ~35! The exact same thing happened in Tales of Hearts R, where a character in their 30s (they all blend into one for me but the guy with the sunglasses) is constantly talking about retiring and speaking as if the teenagers are at least two generations younger than him. They are still relatively young adults but given a role of 'washed up old guy' because of use of the anime/JRPG time dilation effect, where anything of consequence happens in your late teens, early 20s is your height of your abilities, and then you retire and step aside. Very silly.I started playing FFXIII the other day and was shocked to find out Sazh was 40. Not becuase I thought he was younger - but because he looked and acted like he could actually be a 40 year old man! Cid from FFVII, by contrast, is 32 and I thought he pushing 50!
Yeah, SFV has issues, but some of the Soul Calibur stuff is outright gross, like having Talim who is explicitly underage designed like this.
I'd have to agree with appearing younger than intended, this design at best is young adult without the big anime eye face.The design is not an adult at all and I immediately side-eye and call into question the artists intent when designing the character to be an adult.
Am I pedo-bait because I'm 23 but people often think I'm still in high school :/ Or my sister who didn't stop getting that until she was like 28 :/
Honestly, the idea that our arbitrarily decided age of consent can be laid out in a strict list of traits is ridiculous. Someone comes in here with a non-sexualized character and gets accused of having a pedophilic artist because the character isn't 7 heads high? lmao, take a breath
No...sabrina was forced back out of her position because she was being an ass. Being disingenuous about it doesn't help anyone or promote informative discussion.So sabrina was basically forced to back out of her position because someone couldn't handle criticism towards an artist making characters that clearly look underage but assigning them a higher arbitrary age number to them, something we have clearly criticized multiple times in the past?
Why are you bringing dumb real life arguments into this? It's different in real life because real women & girls actually have agency on what they wear and they can't do anything to their young looks (not that they should have to do anything).Am I pedo-bait because I'm 23 but people often think I'm still in high school :/ Or my sister who didn't stop getting that until she was like 28 :/
Honestly, the idea that our arbitrarily decided age of consent can be laid out in a strict list of traits is ridiculous. Someone comes in here with a non-sexualized character and gets accused of having a pedophilic artist because the character isn't 7 heads high? lmao, take a breath
What is wrong with you? So because something is drawn it has to meet your arbitrary list of requirements? Would an artist be wrong if I asked them to draw me and I had a midriff? We're talking about a commissioned character who isn't sexualized at allWhy are you bringing dumb real life arguments into this? It's different in real life because real women & girls actually have agency on what they wear and they can't do anything to their young looks (not that they should have to do anything).
Plus the person who posted that already admitted that her artist for that particular character usually draws extremely sexualized characters with big boobs & asses. I imagine that artist doesn't draw the faces & other aspects of his/her characters any different than what the character posted in this thread looks like, which would mean that he/she draws questionably young looking, sexualized characters.
It matters fuck all if real life has 23 year olds who look like 15 year olds when it comes to drawing infantilized "adult" cartoon characters.
No...sabrina was forced back out of her position because she was being an ass. Being disingenuous about it doesn't help anyone or promote informative discussion.
What is wrong with you? So because something is drawn it has to meet your arbitrary list of requirements? Would an artist be wrong if I asked them to draw me and I had a midriff? We're talking about a commissioned character who isn't sexualized at all
Is that drawing of an actual person? No. Your argument makes no sense. She asked if that design is ok and had to mention that it's actually supposed to be an adult woman. We said fuck no, that does not look like an adult woman. Your silly real life argument has absolutely ZERO relevancy here.What is wrong with you? So because something is drawn it has to meet your arbitrary list of requirements? Would an artist be wrong if I asked them to draw me and I had a midriff? We're talking about a commissioned character who isn't sexualized at all
The character was posted as a design that wasn't sexualised. Everyone else other than the one who posted it decided that she was lying about the ageBecause the entire point was whether the design looked like an adult or not? And it doesn't.
They commissioned a character that was meant to be an adult. The character does not look like an adult. The commissioner posted here to ask our opinion on it. So that was given by a number of posters. Then said commissioner said that the artist they commissioned usually does do sexualised designs. I imagine that the sexualised designs also have the same characteristics like the height ratio and the face, that make the character look young. Are we not allowed to comment on the problems with that?What is wrong with you? So because something is drawn it has to meet your arbitrary list of requirements? Would an artist be wrong if I asked them to draw me and I had a midriff? We're talking about a commissioned character who isn't sexualized at all
Sexulization isn't the only thing that can be wrong about female character designs.The character was posted as a design that wasn't sexualised. Everyone else other than the one who posted it decided that she was lying about the age
The entire point is that you're being 100% arbitrary and telling a female artist that she's "silly." They don't teach you characteristic arithmetic to make an acceptably "adult" character in art school I can tell you that.Is that drawing of an actual person? No. Your argument makes no sense. She asked if that design is ok and had to mention that it's actually supposed to be an adult woman. We said fuck no, that does not look like an adult woman. Your silly real life argument has absolutely ZERO relevancy here.
What female artist? Kokonoe's is the commissioner, not the artist. And the artist apparently normally draws big busted, big bummed pieces which this thread has no trouble criticising regardless of gender of artist.The entire point is that you're being 100% arbitrary and telling a female artist that she's "silly." They don't teach you characteristic arithmetic to make an acceptably "adult" character in art school I can tell you that.
I'm talking about me lol. Not that it matters. You all made up your minds and it's perfectly fine. I've been a regular since the first OT, occasionally popping in, but I'll let you guys have your fun and leave.What female artist? Kokonoe's is the commissioner, not the artist. And the artist apparently normally draws big busted, big bummed pieces which this thread has no trouble criticising regardless of gender of artist.
If you draw this big of a pea into your nostrils because people criticize a very generic animu character that portrays some very clearly underage characteristics and start comparing this to real women who look young, then yes, you are being silly.The entire point is that you're being 100% arbitrary and telling a female artist that she's "silly."
Maybe they should, considering how much problematic female character designing there is in the world. Maybe it would be good to point out in some class that hey, maybe not all women have melons for boobs and there are women there that look some age other than 15-18.They don't teach you characteristic arithmetic to make an acceptably "adult" character in art school I can tell you that.
Sorry if we are too jaded that when something shows all the telltale signs of someone who perhaps likes to draw very young looking "adults", we tend to not give the benefit of the doubt. But in my eyes, that character design just rung all the alarming bells of a character who is drawn by someone with questionable motives/"creative passions". And lo and behold, we were proven right.Something can be a problem as a trend and not assumed to be the case every time. This whole thing started with accusations of pedophilia long before anyone had an idea of who the artist was. That's what upsets me.
The character was posted as a design that wasn't sexualised. Everyone else other than the one who posted it decided that she was lying about the age
That is most certainly not all that was said. The insinuations and presumptions were getting a tad inflammatory (based on just that one drawing) and I've definitely seen people temp-banned for going too far down that road. Reins needed to be pulled.Because she said "get a new artist" in response to a design which is clearly a teen where the artist assigned a higher age value then the design itself, something routinely criticized in this thread.
Look the words describing the artist as "pedo" were too strong, but I can kinda see why as people can get very fed up in this thread and it can lead to very heated emotions. I would say there are legitimate problems in that design which are a trend we see often in other designs. In saying that, I'm sure no one in this thread thinks you are silly and I don't want you to feel you are unwelcome here either. I hope you do continue to post your thoughts in this thread in the future.I'm talking about me lol. Not that it matters. You all made up your minds and it's perfectly fine. I've been a regular since the first OT, occasionally popping in, but I'll let you guys have your fun and leave.
The entire point is that you're being 100% arbitrary and telling a female artist that she's "silly." They don't teach you characteristic arithmetic to make an acceptably "adult" character in art school I can tell you that.
Yeah, SFV has issues, but some of the Soul Calibur stuff is outright gross, like having Talim who is explicitly underage designed like this.
I'm talking about me lol. Not that it matters. You all made up your minds and it's perfectly fine. I've been a regular since the first OT, occasionally popping in, but I'll let you guys have your fun and leave.
That is most certainly not all that was said. The insinuations and presumptions were getting a tad inflammatory (based on just that one drawing) and I've definitely seen people temp-banned for going too far down that road. Reins needed to be pulled.
The poster I was defending, sabrina, did not do so. She was forced to back down because folks couldn't handle criticism of the artist.
That is, quite frankly, absurd. So let me reiterate, if the artist wants to draw an adult, draw a damn adult. Drawing a kid/teen and trying to pass them off as an adult immediately puts you on the ", shit, that's suspect" list.
Y'all really. please don't ignore the mod warning. Women are starting to get uncomfortable posting in this thread and that's a bad sign.
Y'all really. please don't ignore the mod warning. Women are starting to get uncomfortable posting in this thread and that's a bad sign.
Why are you bringing dumb real life arguments into this? It's different in real life because real women & girls actually have agency on what they wear and they can't do anything to their young looks (not that they should have to do anything).
Plus the person who posted that already admitted that her artist for that particular character usually draws extremely sexualized characters with big boobs & asses. I imagine that artist doesn't draw the faces & other aspects of his/her characters any different than what the character posted in this thread looks like, which would mean that he/she draws questionably young looking, sexualized characters.
It matters fuck all if real life has 23 year olds who look like 15 year olds when it comes to drawing infantilized "adult" cartoon characters.
Where was this established? The only thing we know about the artist is that they like drawing (pedo-bait) sexualized big boobz, big ass characters outside of the one drawn in this thread.But we have more context now. The artist is a woman who looks younger than her age. She should be able to draw someone like her without getting accused of being a perv or pedo.
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Where was this established? The only thing we know about the artist is that they like drawing (pedo-bait) sexualized big boobz, big ass characters outside of the one drawn in this thread.
I'm talking about me lol. Not that it matters. You all made up your minds and it's perfectly fine. I've been a regular since the first OT, occasionally popping in, but I'll let you guys have your fun and leave.
But we have more context now. The artist is a woman who looks younger than her age. She should be able to draw someone like her without getting accused of being a perv or pedo.
I mostly just like to read this thread, I don't think I usually have anything important to add to any discussion.It's not arbitrary, it's all about norms. I think the majority of people you asked would say the commissioned art was a kid, not an adult.
Are there people who look younger or older than their age in real life? Sure. But there's a reason people say that they don't look their age. Because there is an average look that people associate with ages. If I looked like I was 80, I wouldn't tell people that no, no, no, they are wrong and I look 30 something and they need to check their "arbitrary" criteria at the door. I would say I look 80 even though I'm 30 something. Because the understanding is that I am the outlier, and the average 30 something looks nothing like me.
If the character is an adult, fine. But it will be hard to convince me that the character looks like an adult.
Being excited about a drawing you commissioned and immediately being told it is pedo-bait and to get a new artist is hard to swallow. It's harsh, and anyone would bristle at it!
If we want to educate people, open their eyes to problematic aspects of art and designs, we can do so in a kind manner. We're all people here, and deserve respect.
I'm not telling "women what women should look like", I'm saying infantilized female anime characters are a widely common & problematic thing and that the character design posted here is a postergirl for that kind of design. My issue isn't with the way she looks per se but that she is being tried to be passed as an adult when clearly her characteristics are that of a (teenage) child. I'm not the only one saying she looks like a child.^
You're not adding anything other than further hostility by continuing to tell women what women are supposed to look like by your standards. The entire point of this thread is discuss women in games and how gaming can exclude women, not to further drive them away by blatantly infering they're peadophilic when there's a slight disagreement over an image that's relatively non-sexualised either way
There's been a mod warning, step back and calm down.