No doubt. It's apparent Xbox has been making moves to change it as well.
No doubt. It's apparent Xbox has been making moves to change it as well.
I don't expect that.Do you kind folks expect the July event to be where we also get release date and price for the Series X?
I don't expect pricing/release details until August. That's about as late as I can expect them holding things back, but surely they'll need time to square things away with retailers, pre-orders, game launch dates, etc.
It is pretty crazy to think about though - by this time last gen we could already pre-order the consoles, games, etc. with firm dates and prices. This time around... nothing!
Theb why use 2 SKU strategy? You already have second SKU for those who want cheaper console and other that is more expensive.
Phil also said console sales aren't the most important thing for them. They focus on software and service.
I think your issue is treating those ideas as mutually exclusive; focusing on services and subscriptions doesn't preclude them from being aggressive with the pricing of their new consoles. Selling services requires devices, and consoles account for a sizable piece of that pie. The more agile they are with pricing and SKUs, the larger the piece they can get - even if it only increases their footprint by ~5-10%. Phil stating console sales aren't their determining metric but nonetheless working hard to improve them anyways isn't contradictory. To act as if you don't understand why console and game sales aren't truly reflective of whether Xbox is successful or not is disingenuous.Exactly. I also remember when someone bringed up console sales or game sales, people always said this exactly same thing. Xbox is beyond that and they focus on gamepass numbers and software, not how many games or consoles they sell.
Now it suddenly has changed for some reason...
I just don't see how this could be true, given it's a first person game with third person cutscenes. Panning out of Chief's visor, like in the Discover Hope trailer, will work here and there, but can you imagine it doing that every time the game takes control from you?
I dunno, I feel like that'll get old really quick.
We'll see, I thought it was done pretty well in the trailer. Still, it's an interesting choice, as it means we'll only witness events in the immediate vicinity of Master Chief.Yeah, long takes and seamless transitions into gameplay I'm all for - one of the best things about Gears 5 is those transitions from realtime cutscene into gameplay, but then it's easier to do that kind of stuff with a game that is already third person. You don't need to constantly fly into your player-character's head. That'll just feel a bit goofy to me.
Is there any idea when in July we should be hearing about new games?
Im starting to think this unannounced June event was delayed because they caught word that Sony wasn't going to announce price at their June event.
I think your issue is treating those ideas as mutually exclusive; focusing on services and subscriptions doesn't preclude them from being aggressive with the pricing of their new consoles. Selling services requires devices, and consoles account for a sizable piece of that pie. The more agile they are with pricing and SKUs, the larger the piece they can get - even if it only increases their footprint by ~5-10%. Phil stating console sales aren't their determining metric but nonetheless working hard to improve them anyways isn't contradictory. To act as if you don't understand why console and game sales aren't truly reflective of whether Xbox is successful or not is disingenuous.
Do you expect to see Lockhart in July? 🤔
I wouldnt expect Lockhart before we see games and a price of Series X is announced.
As it relates to the Xbox next gen launch and consumers comparing the available games, the news today directly from Sony that the Horizon sequel is coming in TBD 2021 (could easily slip into the following year IMO based on previous game delays and such) is a big deal for Xbox. I think that most assumed it wasn't going to be there at launch without a target date for the reveal, but there was part of me that thought they may surprise people and have it ready for holiday. This really opens up the floor big time for Halo Infinite to shine as the hands down premiere launch title, and I think that the July event could have some people pretty surprised at how incredible and "next gen" it does look running on Xbox Series X hardware.
There was never any chance that Horizon 2 was coming at launch. Spider-Man Miles Morales is clearly Sony's big launch title that will be up against Halo.
Logically you are correct, but until they provided confirmation it was not a sure thing. So Spider-Man may be a cool game that will excite a lot of people to play, but Horizon was the one with the massive scope to truly try punching with Halo Infinite at launch.
I think Spider-Man will punch just fine with Halo at launch. The first Spider-Man was Sony's biggest exclusive ever. I realize it's not a full Spider-Man 2 sequel, but it will still be massive for Sony.
Logically you are correct, but until they provided confirmation it was not a sure thing. So Spider-Man may be a cool game that will excite a lot of people to play, but Horizon was the one with the massive scope to truly try punching with Halo Infinite at launch.
Order through Microsoft themselves when they go live - my One X arrived a day early.I hope they don't leave price/pre-order date too late. I don't want to have to be scraping around trying to get one for launch.
Order through Microsoft themselves when they go live - my One X arrived a day early.
I've seen some places are taking 'expressions of interest' on pre-orders, so basically they're taking pre-orders already with no price or date lol
Clock is ticking.
I think we're mostly on the same page though having a "lower end" SKU shouldn't prevent the "premium" SKU from being competitively priced as well. Series X doesn't need to undercut the PS5, but its something that should be considered if its within reason - that's just common logic. Ultimately you're right about debating prices right now, it's something we can't reasonably project without the real information. As Phil's mentioned even small pricing decisions have long lasting effects for each console, they won't cut off their nose to spite their face. And again you're right, whether the Series X is $399, $449, or $499+ - I'm going to buy it. That said, price will be important to the undecided buyers - its just not really something worth arguing about on these forums until the true values of each SKU can be compared.But you still have two SKUs. Why make two? So you can offer those consoles for different price points. One for those who want next gen experience, but dont wanna pay so much and another one for those who can and want premium product with premium price.
Lockhart is going to be cheaper than PS5, Series X doesn't need to. And frankly i dont understand why people even bother to speculate price and feel need be concerned about those prices. Let Phil and Microsoft be the ones? You are customer and you are going to buy that console anyway. I would understand that concern If it was "I hope it isn't too expensive" type stuff.
I think we're mostly on the same page though having a "lower end" SKU shouldn't prevent the "premium" SKU from being competitively priced as well. Series X doesn't need to undercut the PS5, but its something that should be considered if its within reason - that's just common logic. Ultimately you're right about debating prices right now, it's something we can't reasonably project without the real information. As Phil's mentioned even small pricing decisions have long lasting effects for each console, they won't cut off their nose to spite their face. And again you're right, whether the Series X is $399, $449, or $499+ - I'm going to buy it. That said, price will be important to the undecided buyers - its just not really something worth arguing about on these forums until the true values of each SKU can be compared.
How many people in this thread are actually planning to buy Series S over Series X (assuming both are real, at $300 and $500, respectively)?
As I'm sure you've noticed these cycles have gotten shorter and shorter over the years... The Switch launched less than 50 days after announcing its price, and they weren't even really competing with anyone. Depending on when they are actually planning to release, we could be waiting until well into August.
I was thinking of MS. Only ever done it for controllers etc. Of all the people, they must be good!Order through Microsoft themselves when they go live - my One X arrived a day early.
I've seen some places are taking 'expressions of interest' on pre-orders, so basically they're taking pre-orders already with no price or date lol
I dont understand your logic. Spider-man is sonys fastest selling exclusive and while HZD sold extremely well, it didn't come close to Spider-Man.
So why would Horizon be bigger than Spider-Man? Horizon was never coming to launch...
I think after really great show is good to Mic Drop with aggressive price + Pre Orders (October)
How many people in this thread are actually planning to buy Series S over Series X (assuming both are real, at $300 and $500, respectively)?
xsx for me. wont have the need to upgrade for awhileHow many people in this thread are actually planning to buy Series S over Series X (assuming both are real, at $300 and $500, respectively)?
Buying both s for child x for meHow many people in this thread are actually planning to buy Series S over Series X (assuming both are real, at $300 and $500, respectively)?
A couple of you guys are just unreal that you even spend time in this Xbox OT thread. I can't imagine that I would find any "joy" in frequenting the Sony OT thread just to leap at anything being said that I thought sounded too pro Sony or something, just unbelievable honestly :)
How many people in this thread are actually planning to buy Series S over Series X (assuming both are real, at $300 and $500, respectively)?
How many people in this thread are actually planning to buy Series S over Series X (assuming both are real, at $300 and $500, respectively)?
Got my 2TB Xbox One S on time but my Xbox One X got lost in the mail (Scorpio Edition) and by the time they determined it was really lost/stolen they couldn't sent it to me anymore as they were out of Acorpio Edition units, had to get the normal one.Order through Microsoft themselves when they go live - my One X arrived a day early.
I've seen some places are taking 'expressions of interest' on pre-orders, so basically they're taking pre-orders already with no price or date lol
By making some people unhappy and saying i'm creating drama when they're the one(see how many "Microsoft didn't do new ip/sequel blah blah blah" thread in past 2 days)?