Yooka-Laylee's 64-Bit Tonic First Look( Update: New video)
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I think it's probably a law of nature that you can't go from a high fidelity product and work it into a low fidelity product. That's not the direction things can move in and still be good. Should have been built from zero, though that was probably never an option in the first place.
I thought I wanted this but looking at that screenshot I don't think i want it anymore.
Also this can't possibly be what they've been working on for the last sixteen months...
Also this can't possibly be what they've been working on for the last sixteen months...
It honestly just looks like they put all of the graphics settings on low and called it a feature.
I honestly think that BK and BT actually look better than Yooka-Laylee. And I am not a fan of the N64 era look.
Kameo looks way better than this.
Or do you mean the regular version of YL does ? (Kameo still looks better, btw)
I feel like they should look like that dinosaur and the environment is not blocky enough.
it's literally very low setting lmao
it's literally very low setting lmao
Yeah haha, pretty disappointing. Doesn't really look like an N64 game. And I was really looking forward to this the whole time! So first the game itself was disappointing, and now they can't even make the 64-bit mode properly?
Sad times to be a classic Rare fan all around.
Sad times to be a classic Rare fan all around.
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Pretty much, which is why this mode is a complete waste of time for Playtonic. No one is gonna use it except for a few people who are gonna check it for 5 seconds out of curioisity.
They should have just made it an alt costume for Yooka and laylee. I suspect this was a goal that they didn't realise just how much extra work it would be otherwise.
How I would fix it
Remove the bloom lighting. Go to some kind of flat per vertex lighting with shadows just being blobs.
Swap out the muddy compressed looking textures for pixelated ones don't just compress them and then call it a day. Have an artist actually go back over the compressed texture and recreate it at a low res while maintaining the detail. Basically it looks like the top right now when we are actually looking for the bottom
Get rid of the grass completely that weird grid pattern looks nothing like it and just clashes with everything.
Remove the bloom lighting. Go to some kind of flat per vertex lighting with shadows just being blobs.
Swap out the muddy compressed looking textures for pixelated ones don't just compress them and then call it a day. Have an artist actually go back over the compressed texture and recreate it at a low res while maintaining the detail. Basically it looks like the top right now when we are actually looking for the bottom
Get rid of the grass completely that weird grid pattern looks nothing like it and just clashes with everything.
Could be said about the whole game pretty much. I remember how hyped I was back when this was revealed, I really believed Rare and BK were back just with different characters.
How I would fix it
Remove the bloom lighting. Go to some kind of flat per vertex lighting with shadows just being blobs.
Swap out the muddy compressed looking textures for pixelated ones don't just compress them and then call it a day. Have an artist actually go back over the compressed texture and recreate it at a low res while maintaining the detail. Basically it looks like the top right now when we are actually looking for the bottom
Get rid of the grass completely that weird grid pattern looks nothing like it and just clashes with everything.
N64 games rarely had flat shading though, it was usually gouraud shading. Nor did they have pixelated textures, just very blurry low-res ones. But yeah, low-poly models are required here, and the bloom needs to go.
...Yeeeaaaaahhhh, pretty much. I really don't like it at all.
Sure let's go with that I kept trying different combinations of words to figure out the term for the lighting model N64 games usedbut nothing came up that satisfied me glad you got the technical term.
And in what world didn't N64 have pixelated textures? They were low res but they didn't look compressed like that at all some of em were stretched out a bit but that's a markedly different effect than the original screenshot. ex: The pattern on this tree vs the one in the OP image
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Sure let's go with that I kept trying different combinations of words to figure out the term for the lighting model N64 games usedbut nothing came up that satisfied me glad you got the technical term.
And in what world didn't N64 have pixelated textures? They were low res but they didn't look compressed like that at all some of em were stretched out a bit but that's a markedly different effect than the original screenshot. Detail was low res but didn't exhibit that compressed complete lack of detail ex: The pattern on this tree vs the one in the OP image
When you say "pixelated", I think of PS1-type unfiltered textures, where you can actually see each pixel (well, texel). N64 textures were never like that, as your image shows. They were always filtered, since the N64 had hardware support for that. But they were low-res and blurry.
Alright I understand what you're saying but I think we can both agree what is going on there still looks nothing like textures on the N64.
For sure. And like you said, the shading is too advanced, etc. Nothing about it looks like an N64 game.
What it should have looked like:
Man, the regressor is really good at nailing these low poly models, but that mock level and mock UI look absolute garbage.
lmao! Yeah what the hell are they doingSo I don't really get what they are even going for here. First I would much rather the game just look like a high resolution N64 game, so still having blurry textures and low polygon models, but running at a high resolution with AA. I'm fond of the style, not the Vaseline filter N64 had. Also the excessive bloom is extremely odd. Just look at this High Rez Banjo Kazooie shot.
And not only that they literally have a character in their own game that represents the exact style they are going for:
De-master of a game. I don't see how anyone would want this. People usually want nicer graphics, not more blurry graphics and models to look worse. It not like we have nostalgia for a N64 version of this. I like what Microsoft (Rare) did with Banjo Kazooie and making that game look crisper and nicer on Xbox.
Why wouldn't people want nostalgia for an N64 version? That was one of the stretch goals and it met it extremely quickly (I think it was within the day of it being posted). All Rare did for Banjo was run it in HD; they kept the N64 visuals intact.
There's no reason to adhere to the actual limitations of the N64. Many retro-inspired games don't, and it's not like the audience remembers what the games actually looked like (for example, many people call Cosmic Star Heroine SNES/Genesis-styled when the devs admit it's more akin to Saturn).
Point is, no point in being accurate when out memories aren't anyway
I wanted to play some synth funky music when the picture reminded me of the time I had fun with blurriness.
This is what I was getting at too. Make it look retro like how shovel knight looks like a NES game, but could never run on a real NES. I think you can make it look kind of N64 retro, but clean it up.
lmao
out of touch, over-the-hill nonsense. Yup, cuz when I want to play a Rare game, I'm definitely hoping it'll look and sound like games that came out 20 goddamn years ago.
Christ.
out of touch, over-the-hill nonsense. Yup, cuz when I want to play a Rare game, I'm definitely hoping it'll look and sound like games that came out 20 goddamn years ago.
Christ.
The only people out of touch are the ones who keep tripping over themselves to say how much no one wanted this even though it was a Kickstarter stretch goal that fans have been asking about since the game first launched. Personally I bought the Switch version after having beaten it originally on PS4 and have specifically been waiting to do a full replay once the orchestral soundtrack and 64-bit shader get released.