Considering that I've made I've stated a few times that I lean town on Sneeks, it'd be a little odd for me to turn on her now, don't you think? She may well have me fooled, we all know it wouldn't be the first time, but I don't see the point in voting out someone that I feel more confident about flipping town.
Mini Mafia VII: Nightless Mafia |OT| Oops, All Day Phase
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==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start
Sawneeks (3 votes)
Melonrabbit - #620
malus - #745
Donniewahlberg - #749
Alexem (3 votes)
Fireblend - #568 #711
TheChuggernaut - #602
Sawneeks - #681
HPSauce - #717
malus (1 votes)
Alexem - #716
Melonrabbit (0 votes)
Donniewahlberg - #576 #749
Sawneeks - #641 #658
Fireblend (0 votes)
Alexem - #582 #716
Post Counts:
Donniewahlberg: 67 Sawneeks: 48 Alexem: 32 malus: 26 HPSauce: 18 TheChuggernaut: 15 Melonrabbit: 13 Fireblend: 13
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Day Start
Sawneeks (3 votes)
Melonrabbit - #620
malus - #745
Donniewahlberg - #749
Alexem (3 votes)
TheChuggernaut - #602
Sawneeks - #681
HPSauce - #717
malus (1 votes)
Alexem - #716
Melonrabbit (0 votes)
Fireblend (0 votes)
Post Counts:
Donniewahlberg: 67 Sawneeks: 48 Alexem: 32 malus: 26 HPSauce: 18 TheChuggernaut: 15 Melonrabbit: 13 Fireblend: 13
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I dont think I can possibly write more about Melon and Sneeks this day phase lol i hit the limit
I'm really paranoid of Neeks, but she's been driving discussion in a way that not many people are in this game and I just don't see her being scum here. I think Alex is the move.
I found Fireblend's reaction when he was in a similar spot to Alex here to be a lot more natural. This feels like scum trying to hold off on a flip because they know it's going to make them look bad tomorrow. If he's town there's no reason for him to be hanging out off wagon here because he can't be sure of her alignment
like this is absolutely someone more concerned with how they're going to look after a flip
I can imagine scum might be worried about where town starts looking if I flip green. If my elimination points town in the right direction, I'll happily consider it an info flip.
If you all want to flip me to ease your conscience then go for it. Just remember the next day phase to go for Alex and then melon. Despite Donnie jumping over to me I still think he's town and it kind of falls in line with his current theory between melon and myself. I've already said how melon has an awful case against me and doesn't make any sense. She also never came back and clarified it.
Maybe move malus back up as possible scum with Alex.
How is Alex not behaving scummy in this thread at all? You even admit that his votes are really terrible but somehow his actions in the thread so far have negated that and instead you're voting for me?
Maybe move malus back up as possible scum with Alex.
And chuggs just said this but this absolutely looks like someone who's more concerned about how I will flip town and it will reflect poorly on them. This does not look like a townie who has the option of flipping their paranoid read. This looks like a scum player who is throwing shade in my direction, knows I'm going to flip town, and doesn't want to be caught on that.
Yeah that's what I thought lol. This is nonsense someone hammer Alex so we can move on for the love of god
i have several times u not liking it is a separate thing. I have said multiple times i don't like how u handled the nin stuff and you continued to brush that off and never address it.
I don't really have much to say beyond that you continue to not address it. And i don't feel like endlessly looping.
as far as not coming back, i was busy and between you and donnie getting far too involved in my personal life: annoyed and frustrated.
that said, im catching up now. i feel better about malus v febe play but i think it is too early to say. also bit rude to kick a replacement day one. wanna think about this for now.
donnie insistance on hammering again was weird as is this back and forth between chuggs and alexem.
yall have created an scenario where there is negative incentive to hammer.
town flips town. everyone is turn on that person hammering as scum. town flips scum? must be busing and same result as scenario a. scum flips scum is exactly the same energy.
guess we just live here now.
fucking fine i'll do it. i think i'm going to lose my mind if we stay in this day phase any longer
Vote: Sawneeks
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==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
Sawneeks (4 votes)
Melonrabbit - #620
malus - #745
Donniewahlberg - #749
TheChuggernaut - #772
Alexem (2 votes)
Fireblend - #568 #711
TheChuggernaut - #602 #772
Sawneeks - #681
HPSauce - #717
malus (1 votes)
Alexem - #716
Melonrabbit (0 votes)
Donniewahlberg - #576 #749
Sawneeks - #641 #658
Fireblend (0 votes)
Alexem - #582 #716
Post Counts:
Donniewahlberg: 69 Sawneeks: 52 Alexem: 35 malus: 28 TheChuggernaut: 21 HPSauce: 19 Melonrabbit: 16 Fireblend: 13
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Day Start - Day End
Sawneeks (4 votes)
Melonrabbit - #620
malus - #745
Donniewahlberg - #749
TheChuggernaut - #772
Alexem (2 votes)
Sawneeks - #681
HPSauce - #717
malus (1 votes)
Alexem - #716
Melonrabbit (0 votes)
Fireblend (0 votes)
Post Counts:
Donniewahlberg: 69 Sawneeks: 52 Alexem: 35 malus: 28 TheChuggernaut: 21 HPSauce: 19 Melonrabbit: 16 Fireblend: 13
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Day 4 Ends/Day 5 Begins
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Time marches on, but will the Sun Sons?
Sawneeks has died!
DAY 5 BEGINS
Day Ends by Majority Only
Majority is 4
Vote Tool:
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Players Remaining:
malus
Alexem
HPSauce
TheChuggernaut
melonrabbit
Donniewahlberg
Sawneeks has died!
DAY 5 BEGINS
Day Ends by Majority Only
Majority is 4
Vote Tool:
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Players Remaining:
malus
Alexem
HPSauce
TheChuggernaut
melonrabbit
Donniewahlberg
God damn it. Sorry Sneeks, I should have stayed on Rabbit lol
I'd be happy to go with what Sneeks wanted and do Alex then Rabbit, but I'll understand if I get hard turbo'ed for going on Sneeks from Rabbit.
I'd be happy to go with what Sneeks wanted and do Alex then Rabbit, but I'll understand if I get hard turbo'ed for going on Sneeks from Rabbit.
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my bad. should have let us go around in circles for another 48 hours
just weird u seem in such a rush. did u think the alexem-sneeks team was that likely? u went from asking alexem to self-turbo to hammering quite abruptly.
i would not like to be playing this game once we hit 2022 thank you. thought she was town
im very confused why you would jump to alexem. just because sneeks was a townie doesn't mean she is right in her reads. u have been confident I have been scum all game. seems a off-brand move to go with alexem today over me.
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why vote her over convincing someone to over to vote for alexem.
lmao i tried. at some point someones going to have to compromise
Hey if folks want to finally vote you this day phase, I'll be happy to do it. I can't get traction while Alexem is on the board though and your argument with a confirmed town Sneeks makes Alexem fairly plausible enough as your partner for it to be an acceptable option before that. I still think you're the scummiest player in the game and everything I threw at you last day phase still applies. Sneeks put me back in her PoE almost immediately after I voted you, I made a bad call looking for connections and I'll own that but everything on you still applies.
All of this gives me enough to reason to vote Alexem this round, now that I can read Sneeks as confirmed town.
And on Alex, I'm drawn back to this post Here where he actively misinterprets both if his reasons to put a vote on me (and keeps thenvote anyway) while going after Sneeks at the same time.
Any chance we can make our mind up on this?
I think at this point, it's clear to me that I'm wasting my time pushing for a malus vote. If that's the case, I'll have to consider the alternatives.
Let's say that I've been off-track with Febe/Malus. That would mean scum were definitely stacking on Zipped in D1. Chuggs placed his meta vote for Hedin at the start of the game, but didn't take long to move it to Zipped, being the next to vote for him after Hedin. Would scum!Chuggs be willing to place a bus vote for Zipped that quickly? Going the other way, Zipped came out against Melon and Chuggs and voted accordingly - first for Melon, then changing for Chuggs. He argued that both were trying to deflect his suggestions. By that time, Zipped had five votes on him, so is it possible that Zipped was looking for distance in case he was hammered? However, Nin then withdrew his vote - he would later re-cast his vote for Chuggs, which Zipped followed up. To me, that feels more like Zipped was hoping for an opportunistic train to get rid of someone who had questioned him, rather than a bus. The vote certainly couldn't have been co-ordinated, since Nin was town.
After that, Sneeks asked if anyone would be interested in moving from Zipped to Hedin. Febe was OK with his Zipped vote, while Donnie was open to moving his vote to Chuggs, who he thought might be linked to Hedin, depending on whether votes stayed on Chuggs. Lest I get accused of actively misinterpreting him, here's the full quote again:
At least one of the votes on Zipped at the end of D1 had to come from scum, and if malus is town, both of his team-mates must have bussed him. That would limit the pool to Chuggs, HP, Melon and Donnie. In that situation, I'd expect one of them to have laid down an early vote, while the other joined them once it looked as though Zipped's cover was blown. Timing-wise, that would imply the initial vote came from Chuggs or HP, while the credibility vote came from Melon or Donnie. Both of the latter had already voted for a player we now know to be town - Melon on Sparks, Donnie on Hedin. Assuming that Zipped's vote for Chuggs was opportunistic, then HP's vote could come into question. As things stood, both Donnie and Melon's votes could also be suspect.
Going into D2, the general mindset was that Sparks was a likely candidate - there had been enough doubt in the room about him in D1, but only Melon voted for him. Sneeks initially voted for Nin, before Hedin voted for Sparks and Sawneeks switched to join him - Hedin was then killed and the votes were reset. Following that, Sparks was turboed, the order of voting being myself, Sawneeks, Chuggs, Melon and Donnie. Sneeks and Melon's votes were consistent with their willingness to take out Sparks in D1, while Chuggs was growing dubious of Sparks and Febe. Febe didn't cast a vote, but didn't object to voting for Sparks:
In D3, a few options arose. Melon opened by going after Febe, I aired my doubts about Donnie. The train for Donnie didn't really take off, although Melon and Febe followed my vote for him. In the end, Febe reached hammer point - however, this was stopped when Nin typoed his vote. Let's go over the votes for Febe in order:
D4 is still fairly recent, so we know how that turned out. Sawneeks and I were pitted against each other - at least that's how the day turned out. Malus led the move towards Sneeks, followed by Donnie and Chuggs. Prior to that, I'd been the prime suspect, with the only vote for Sneeks coming from Melon.
I'm going to be very honest, here - I came into this write-up expecting to confirm how I felt about Donnie. Having gone back over the votes, though, it's not Donnie that sticks out to me now - it's Melon. On both of those first two days, it was Melon and Donnie who cast the last two votes. Would they be so cocky as to act together? That seems unlikely, so I can't see them as team-mates. What really hit me, though was the timing of post 381 on D2, where Donnie explained his voting on D1 in detail. It's a long post and must have taken some time to write - and it was posted just two minutes after Hedin was killed. Why the hell would Donnie go to all that time to write a big long post like that, involving his take on the Hedin situation, if he knew that the kill was right about to go through? OK, it could have been a big bluff, but I find it more likely that if Donnie were scum, either he would have put the post up well before submitting the kill, or put a different post entirely up after the kill to specifically shade the Hedin posters. But he didn't - he posted right as the kill went through, and if he were scum, he'd have been expecting Natiko's modpost and could have planned for it.
So if that casts Donnie in a town light, it's hard for me to see Melon in the same way. The vote for Donnie could have been on the back of mine in the hope that the train might take off, and that push against Sawneeks yesterday may have been because she saw her as a much bigger threat than me - especially if she felt that I was in her pocket. The pushes against Sparks would certainly look different, and her defence of Nin could be taken as a play to get town credit. Was she intentionally staying away from the Hedin train on D1 and using Sparks as cover, and were she and Zipped intentionally distancing themselves?
With all that said, then, I think I have to move to Melon now.
VOTE: Melonrabbit
Let me make it clear - I still don't know what to make of malus, and if Melon's scum, I wouldn't rule out looking at HP. But since I'm clearly fighting a losing battle pushing for malus now, this strikes me as the next best measure. Take it as you will.
Let's say that I've been off-track with Febe/Malus. That would mean scum were definitely stacking on Zipped in D1. Chuggs placed his meta vote for Hedin at the start of the game, but didn't take long to move it to Zipped, being the next to vote for him after Hedin. Would scum!Chuggs be willing to place a bus vote for Zipped that quickly? Going the other way, Zipped came out against Melon and Chuggs and voted accordingly - first for Melon, then changing for Chuggs. He argued that both were trying to deflect his suggestions. By that time, Zipped had five votes on him, so is it possible that Zipped was looking for distance in case he was hammered? However, Nin then withdrew his vote - he would later re-cast his vote for Chuggs, which Zipped followed up. To me, that feels more like Zipped was hoping for an opportunistic train to get rid of someone who had questioned him, rather than a bus. The vote certainly couldn't have been co-ordinated, since Nin was town.
After that, Sneeks asked if anyone would be interested in moving from Zipped to Hedin. Febe was OK with his Zipped vote, while Donnie was open to moving his vote to Chuggs, who he thought might be linked to Hedin, depending on whether votes stayed on Chuggs. Lest I get accused of actively misinterpreting him, here's the full quote again:
Twenty minutes later, he votes for Hedin to "support the majority of town" - his words (post 289), even though nobody else had voted for Hedin in that time. (The active voters on Hedin at the time, incidentally, were Febe, myself and Sawneeks.) Sparks would later place the final vote for Hedin, bringing him to hammer point. As Hedin observed:
The five active votes came from:
- Fireblend
- Myself
- Sawneeks
- Donnie
- Sparks
At least one of the votes on Zipped at the end of D1 had to come from scum, and if malus is town, both of his team-mates must have bussed him. That would limit the pool to Chuggs, HP, Melon and Donnie. In that situation, I'd expect one of them to have laid down an early vote, while the other joined them once it looked as though Zipped's cover was blown. Timing-wise, that would imply the initial vote came from Chuggs or HP, while the credibility vote came from Melon or Donnie. Both of the latter had already voted for a player we now know to be town - Melon on Sparks, Donnie on Hedin. Assuming that Zipped's vote for Chuggs was opportunistic, then HP's vote could come into question. As things stood, both Donnie and Melon's votes could also be suspect.
Going into D2, the general mindset was that Sparks was a likely candidate - there had been enough doubt in the room about him in D1, but only Melon voted for him. Sneeks initially voted for Nin, before Hedin voted for Sparks and Sawneeks switched to join him - Hedin was then killed and the votes were reset. Following that, Sparks was turboed, the order of voting being myself, Sawneeks, Chuggs, Melon and Donnie. Sneeks and Melon's votes were consistent with their willingness to take out Sparks in D1, while Chuggs was growing dubious of Sparks and Febe. Febe didn't cast a vote, but didn't object to voting for Sparks:
HP, although around to post, was off the vote completely. That said, I don't think it's entirely fair to hold that against him in light of an early-day turbo. Again, Melon and Donnie came in with the last couple of votes. At around the time of the Hedin kill - given the timing, it would have been written before the kill - Donnie gave his justification for the switch back to Zipped on D1:
In D3, a few options arose. Melon opened by going after Febe, I aired my doubts about Donnie. The train for Donnie didn't really take off, although Melon and Febe followed my vote for him. In the end, Febe reached hammer point - however, this was stopped when Nin typoed his vote. Let's go over the votes for Febe in order:
- Melon - was later moved to Donnie.
- Sawneeks - moved to Nin after the typo.
- Donnie - moved to Nin after the typo.
- Chuggs - moved to Nin after the typo.
- Melon - moving back from Donnie before the typo.
- Myself - switching from Donnie after the typo.
- Nin, after his typo.
D4 is still fairly recent, so we know how that turned out. Sawneeks and I were pitted against each other - at least that's how the day turned out. Malus led the move towards Sneeks, followed by Donnie and Chuggs. Prior to that, I'd been the prime suspect, with the only vote for Sneeks coming from Melon.
I'm going to be very honest, here - I came into this write-up expecting to confirm how I felt about Donnie. Having gone back over the votes, though, it's not Donnie that sticks out to me now - it's Melon. On both of those first two days, it was Melon and Donnie who cast the last two votes. Would they be so cocky as to act together? That seems unlikely, so I can't see them as team-mates. What really hit me, though was the timing of post 381 on D2, where Donnie explained his voting on D1 in detail. It's a long post and must have taken some time to write - and it was posted just two minutes after Hedin was killed. Why the hell would Donnie go to all that time to write a big long post like that, involving his take on the Hedin situation, if he knew that the kill was right about to go through? OK, it could have been a big bluff, but I find it more likely that if Donnie were scum, either he would have put the post up well before submitting the kill, or put a different post entirely up after the kill to specifically shade the Hedin posters. But he didn't - he posted right as the kill went through, and if he were scum, he'd have been expecting Natiko's modpost and could have planned for it.
So if that casts Donnie in a town light, it's hard for me to see Melon in the same way. The vote for Donnie could have been on the back of mine in the hope that the train might take off, and that push against Sawneeks yesterday may have been because she saw her as a much bigger threat than me - especially if she felt that I was in her pocket. The pushes against Sparks would certainly look different, and her defence of Nin could be taken as a play to get town credit. Was she intentionally staying away from the Hedin train on D1 and using Sparks as cover, and were she and Zipped intentionally distancing themselves?
With all that said, then, I think I have to move to Melon now.
VOTE: Melonrabbit
Let me make it clear - I still don't know what to make of malus, and if Melon's scum, I wouldn't rule out looking at HP. But since I'm clearly fighting a losing battle pushing for malus now, this strikes me as the next best measure. Take it as you will.