This has never been far from my mind as a very real possibility. Nov 2017.
America is facing an epistemic crisis - What if Mueller proves his case and it doesn't matter?
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Adam Schiff WaPo OpEd: An open letter to my Republican colleagues
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America is facing an epistemic crisis - What if Mueller proves his case and it doesn't matter?
The only link the GOP would even entertain acting on is if it was implied that if he wasn't President, Trump would be indicted. And obviously, as no report is going to straight up say "he's not an innocent man and should be charged if he were a layperson" they ain't doing shit.
Trump could literally be recorded committing murder or rape and the GOP would defend him.
All the reactions in this thread are exactly the problem. Its already an inferno. Almost all of Trumps campaign is indicted or plead out. And every action Trump takes is the completely wrong one in the face of problems with Russia. Yet people are still discussing if potentially 'there's nothing there' in the report if it doesn't say Trump did treason or something. We're already dead.
The hopeful me says that he is extending an olive branch to repubs before they go in and continue defending a traitor.
The realistic me tells me that Mueller's report was never going to get trump. It's always been about the money. SDNY is where trump and co get got.
The realistic me tells me that Mueller's report was never going to get trump. It's always been about the money. SDNY is where trump and co get got.
That the crimes are so blatant and well-documented that conservatives couldn't possibly ignore them. Maybe it's naive for me to suspect that such a thing is possible.
Tons of Trump's associates are going down and that's super great, but the reality is it's unlikely that Republicans will ever abandon him for *any reason*, because doing so means the destruction of the GOP.
The report will be great for 2020, and for justice being served to many individuals. But as far as Trump himself, we're gonna have to get rid of him the old fashioned way.
If we succeed, of course, then the myriad criminal suits can begin.
We are. Because this shit isn't ending until Republicans actually start to care about anyone but themselves.
People mean there's nothing there that will turn the Congressional Republicans against him.
If only we could have seen this coming! Alas, who could have predicted that this candidate would be nothing but trouble? Who could have imagined he would stoke division?
We should be honest and what, if anything, would make them turn?
It's not defrauding NYC out of money. Or paying porn stars. Or siding with dictators and people who tampered in our elections.
Does he have to be pro-choice for them to turn?
The biggest protection that Trump has is that he is President. There's debate if a sitting can be charged with crimes while in office.
I legitimately think he could wipe his ass on a Bible on national TV and they wouldn't care. There's nothing you can do to make a Republican grow a conscience. The entire party is lost.
I was skeptical that the Mueller report was coming out next week, now I am convinced it is.
Schiff is planting his "hate to say I told you so" seeds in advance.
Agreed. There is no going back now.
Schiff is planting his "hate to say I told you so" seeds in advance.
Agreed. There is no going back now.
It's not about principles it's about power.
They want him to appoint the judges they want, and sign the bills they want passed, and veto the ones they don't.
It's a very simple power calculation. He advances their interests and so is useful, and they won't betray him until he doesn't or can't.
If the evidence were that strong... He wouldn't have to say anything.
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Trump is going to escape this largely unscathed.
The only thing that would make them turn is a threat to their elected offices.
Christ, I hope you Americans sort your shit out soon. I'm feeling more and more anxious about our federal election up north (especially since Trudeau couldn't keep his shit in line) and the thought of a conservative US and Canada both makes me queasy.
I would have assumed a historical midterm election, at least in regards to the House, should show the GOP that they have a lot to worry about.
Their agenda isn't popular with the public. Then again, neither was the conservative wishes in Germany and they used Hitler as the pawn that broke loose...sooner or later Mitch is going to realize a person with no agenda doesn't need a leash anymore.
No they had a closed session with him today ahead of next weeks open and closed meetings.
Of course he knows something. He's been on the house intelligence committee for years. He's seen and heard every classified document that's come through the comittee.
Are House members allowed to be there? He's not on the Senate intel side.
That tells me there's not something big in the report about Trump but lots of circumstantial shit that should lead to an impeachment...if the Republicans weren't currently committed to getting Trump re-elected no matter what the cost.
How many GOP Senators are up in 2020 in vulnerable states? Some I'm sure, but probably not enough to get your 2/3ths of the Senate.
The nature of the Senate really innoculates you from a lot public sentiment.
The report is going to be short and go into detail of mistakes, ignorance and dangerous activity, but nothing illegal. The best we got probably is an obstruction case, anf they may give Trump a slap on the wrist for it at most.
Im actually just amazed there might actually be a report right now because there are a bunch of dangling threads still out there. But i guess it is possible all those threads are now shored up by other DoJ lawyers and Mueller's core is 'done'. Although havent heard a peep about Obstruction stuff...
Nixon didn't sell out to Russia, nor was the GOP a sellout to Russia. The report is going no where, the State crime shit will be fun. Hopefully it gets his kids. Trump is a useless president, everything he tries gets stopped in court. So worst case scenario is hes just annoying for a bit longer.
I dont' see the REpublicans doing anything at all. Why would they? They've gone this far with him.
The only way Republicans will get on board is when they start getting purged from their cushy congressional seats.
Clinton was for lying about a blowjob.
A lie that is absolutely quaint in comparison to the avalanche of lies and corruption from this admin